Unai Emery

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:27 am

Funny how there didn't seem to be any comments about his poor grasp of the language when we went 22 games unbeaten but it seems to be an issue now......even though his grasp of the language is actually better now than a year ago

I remember that bloke Pochettino who was the world's greatest manager and led the Scum to the CL final barely giving an interview in English for about 4 years and having an interpreter next to him every time.



This is a serious issue for me cos it has really pissed me off too - there are so many things emery is doing wrong and more than enough to justify replacing him imo, but this shit about slating his pronounciation of English words is childish and frankly pathetic. It is the same retarded crap that comes from the mouths of those stupid xenophobic c.unts that write in the red top newspapers, and it annoys me cos it is distracting from focusing on the really important issues like his tactics and team selections
Indeed. I don't mind all the funny stuff about "Good Ebening" and some of the video compilations of him are light hearted and good fun. Where I take offence is when it gets dragged up during a run of bad form, and gutter press start making allegations about the whole dressing room taking the piss. Listen to Ray Parlour on the radio and he'll tell you how they all use to take the piss out of Wenger's clumsiness and lack of footballing ability during training......didn't stop them all doing the business at the weekend though did it. Similarly, as I said, there are many on here who wet their pants at Podgie's "achievements" with the Scummers and the bloke barely attempted a word of English in his first 5 years here. Doesn't seem to be a problem with Aguero communicating with his team mates either does it?

Perhaps some of the brain dead morons who slate him, should try learning a foreign language from scratch in their mid-40s. I actually think the bloke has made a really good effort with it
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Re: Unai Emery

Postby TeeCee » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:31 am

Chambers is shit FFS! He’s not the next best anything!! Apart from the next best player to sell after Xhaka maybe!! :banghead:

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Jock Gooner » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:22 am

Funny how there didn't seem to be any comments about his poor grasp of the language when we went 22 games unbeaten but it seems to be an issue now......even though his grasp of the language is actually better now than a year ago

I remember that bloke Pochettino who was the world's greatest manager and led the Scum to the CL final barely giving an interview in English for about 4 years and having an interpreter next to him every time.



This is a serious issue for me cos it has really pissed me off too - there are so many things emery is doing wrong and more than enough to justify replacing him imo, but this shit about slating his pronounciation of English words is childish and frankly pathetic. It is the same retarded crap that comes from the mouths of those stupid xenophobic c.unts that write in the red top newspapers, and it annoys me cos it is distracting from focusing on the really important issues like his tactics and team selections
Indeed. I don't mind all the funny stuff about "Good Ebening" and some of the video compilations of him are light hearted and good fun. Where I take offence is when it gets dragged up during a run of bad form, and gutter press start making allegations about the whole dressing room taking the piss. Listen to Ray Parlour on the radio and he'll tell you how they all use to take the piss out of Wenger's clumsiness and lack of footballing ability during training......didn't stop them all doing the business at the weekend though did it. Similarly, as I said, there are many on here who wet their pants at Podgie's "achievements" with the Scummers and the bloke barely attempted a word of English in his first 5 years here. Doesn't seem to be a problem with Aguero communicating with his team mates either does it?

Perhaps some of the brain dead morons who slate him, should try learning a foreign language from scratch in their mid-40s. I actually think the bloke has made a really good effort with it

Well one way of getting the press and detractors off his back would be to actually sort the fu.cking team out and start playing some football. That might just switch people's attention away from his linguistic shortcomings and get the focus back on the football. The fact that people are having a pop at his English just goes to show that he is not demonstrating progress on the pitch with the team. Furthermore it is basically evidence of people having turned against him as they judge him incapable of the job at hand. Be offended by the piss taking or not, who cares, the football is the real issue and that's not going so well.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:29 am

Wouldn't it be good to have a foreign manager who spoke perfect English and was able to convey his messages without piss taking - someone like Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or Marco Silva spring to mind. Its obviously a clear advantage

Ralf Hasenhuttl seemed to win everyone over with his charm and wit and clear command of the language, and having achieved less than Chris Wilder or Sean Dyche. Remind me how that appointment is working out at the moment? Maybe someone like Bournemouth, Brighton or Crystal Palace should appoint Super Ralf or someone like that given what a shit job their current British managers are doing

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Jock Gooner » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:38 am

Wouldn't it be good to have any manager who was capable of doing his job well.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:45 am

Wouldn't it be good to have any manager who was capable of doing his job well.
Don't disagree with that - just disagree with bullshit arguments about language skills or nationality as a basis to choose that person. The way I hear modern day Arsenal fans dismiss certain candidates serves to remind me what a bunch of bellends most of our modern day 'fans' are. George Graham, manager of Millwall......pah......give me some bloke who has won a dozen games in Austria or Portugal instead, as its such a good standard over there they must all be geniuses of the highest order

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Clash » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:45 am

Putting aside the juvenile piss taking side of things - surely it is an important issue if the players are struggling to understand what their manager is telling them?

I’ve not seen anyone claim this bit IF the players in the dressing room have as much trouble understanding Emery as I have listening to him, I cannot see how people do not see this as a problem worth mentioning.

Yes tactics and team selections are the bigger issues but tactics rely on instruction and that relies on clear communication.

Good on Emery for attempting to speak English but maybe he should have used an interpreter as well. I agree with SteveO that learning a new language in your mid 40s is not easy ... but this makes me further question the sense in making this appointment when we did.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:04 am

Putting aside the juvenile piss taking side of things - surely it is an important issue if the players are struggling to understand what their manager is telling them?

I’ve not seen anyone claim this bit IF the players in the dressing room have as much trouble understanding Emery as I have listening to him, I cannot see how people do not see this as a problem worth mentioning.

Yes tactics and team selections are the bigger issues but tactics rely on instruction and that relies on clear communication.

Good on Emery for attempting to speak English but maybe he should have used an interpreter as well. I agree with SteveO that learning a new language in your mid 40s is not easy ... but this makes me further question the sense in making this appointment when we did.
I think in a different era of all British dressing rooms and without proper interpreters or technology, it would have been a bigger problem than it is today. It would be interesting to know what language the interview was conducted in when he was being lined up as a candidate, because his command of English was very weak then compared to what it is today. There must have been some sort of discussion about that point amongst the decision makers who couldn't help but notice that, surely? You would think there must be some contingency plans around it too

There are enough examples out there of managers who don't speak the native language of their club particularly well but have managed to do reasonably well - Pochettino and Bielsa would be two recent examples - so I suspect it isn't the problem it's being made out to be now. As i said before, there was virtually no mention of it on our 22 game unbeaten run last season ("We've Got Our Arsenal Back" - I distinctly remember hearing fans sing that at a few games along the way)

The issue for me is that he is still making too many changes to the starting line up - ironically the exact opposite of the cock that went before him. Today's formation and the composition of the backline would be anyone's guess. Will it be 3-5-2 or a flat back four. Bellerin/Chambers/ Maitland-Niles at right (wing) back, David Luiz/Sokratis/Holding, Tierney or the Lump? In my view, the sooner we get a settled back line the better - all decent teams are built from the back. Leicester's recent run of good form is as much to do with the settled back line as it is the forward players - the big Turkish lad, Evans, Chilwell - as they know the drill. Klopp was a 4-3 manager when he joined Liverpool but that backline is now as good as any.

Emery's ultimate downfall will be his inability to sort the defence. I have cut him a lot of slack in this area because (a) it wasn't his defence to start with and it was woeful, and (b) just when he was sorting it last year it was disrupted by serious, season long injuries that led to players being pulled out of position. Now he has a fully fit set of defenders to choose from, and one more window to add to it if needed, I would expect to see improvements start to happen......and more importantly to settle upon a first choice defence. If there is no improvement in that over a whole 2 year period, then I will join the list of those who say "enough is enough".

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby augie » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:41 am

Putting aside the juvenile piss taking side of things - surely it is an important issue if the players are struggling to understand what their manager is telling them?

I’ve not seen anyone claim this bit IF the players in the dressing room have as much trouble understanding Emery as I have listening to him, I cannot see how people do not see this as a problem worth mentioning.

Yes tactics and team selections are the bigger issues but tactics rely on instruction and that relies on clear communication.

Good on Emery for attempting to speak English but maybe he should have used an interpreter as well. I agree with SteveO that learning a new language in your mid 40s is not easy ... but this makes me further question the sense in making this appointment when we did.



This is another issue I have with some of the people on here - it seems to be ok for fans to believe reports in the media saying that the players cant understand his instructions, but yet I was slated for believing without evidence that some players are causing trouble for emery behind the scenes :? I accept that I have no evidence to support my belief, but likewise we having nothing supporting the claims that there is a communication issue with the players. Personally I dont believe that there is a communication issue in the sense that I do believe that he can communicate sufficently with the players - the big difference in his communication with the players is that he has time to plan what he is going to say to them on the training ground and in the dressing room etc, but put on the spot in interviews/press conferences etc, he gets stuck when he has to translate and figure things out on the spot. If players claim that they cant understand him, it is because they are being deliberately adkward in an attempt to undermine him

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Clash » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:01 pm

Putting aside the juvenile piss taking side of things - surely it is an important issue if the players are struggling to understand what their manager is telling them?

I’ve not seen anyone claim this bit IF the players in the dressing room have as much trouble understanding Emery as I have listening to him, I cannot see how people do not see this as a problem worth mentioning.

Yes tactics and team selections are the bigger issues but tactics rely on instruction and that relies on clear communication.

Good on Emery for attempting to speak English but maybe he should have used an interpreter as well. I agree with SteveO that learning a new language in your mid 40s is not easy ... but this makes me further question the sense in making this appointment when we did.



This is another issue I have with some of the people on here - it seems to be ok for fans to believe reports in the media saying that the players cant understand his instructions, but yet I was slated for believing without evidence that some players are causing trouble for emery behind the scenes :? I accept that I have no evidence to support my belief, but likewise we having nothing supporting the claims that there is a communication issue with the players. Personally I dont believe that there is a communication issue in the sense that I do believe that he can communicate sufficently with the players - the big difference in his communication with the players is that he has time to plan what he is going to say to them on the training ground and in the dressing room etc, but put on the spot in interviews/press conferences etc, he gets stuck when he has to translate and figure things out on the spot. If players claim that they cant understand him, it is because they are being deliberately adkward in an attempt to undermine him
That’s a fair point Augie.

Quite often you’ll hear players say their teammates speak good English in the dressing room but are reluctant to do it on camera - so there is probably a lot of truth to what you’re saying here about Emery having more time with the players to communicate more sufficiently.

Maybe it’s not as much as an issue as I’ve thought it was. It just seems like sorting out the mess Wenger left was a big enough task on its own without having to learn a new language as well.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Jock Gooner » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:03 pm

Wouldn't it be good to have any manager who was capable of doing his job well.
Don't disagree with that - just disagree with bullshit arguments about language skills or nationality as a basis to choose that person. The way I hear modern day Arsenal fans dismiss certain candidates serves to remind me what a bunch of bellends most of our modern day 'fans' are. George Graham, manager of Millwall......pah......give me some bloke who has won a dozen games in Austria or Portugal instead, as its such a good standard over there they must all be geniuses of the highest order


Very true, although I don't think there is a majority on here who are backing the next unknown from outer mongolia. That said I don't think many would be that too accepting of a Dyche or a Howe (Eddie not Don :lol: ) There is a fair degree of football snobbery involved as let's face it the Peps and Maureens tend to turn up where there is plenty of cash for transfers but the reality of whether Dyche could turn us into a cohesive team will never be known because of said snobbery. Personally I fancy his chances of success more than Emery but the real issue has to be why the board didn't go after say Allegri when we had half a chance of getting him. Instead we went for the foreign champion of the ropey cup who has helped turn the position into a poisoned chalice for the next guy.

Communication is one thing but effective commnication and leadership is another and that perhaps is where Dick is falling short. We can understand him but he really isn't really effective in getting his message across. There is no danger that he can bollock somebody in English so that avenue is closed off and a bollocking in Spanish isn't going to have the same effect.....unless you're Bellerin. If the players have decided that he really isn't cut out for it then they won't be taking him seriously which will quite possibly descend into piss taking.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Bob Bayliss » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:31 pm

There is no case for delaying his departure beyond the international break, let alone until the end of the season. If we are to attract the calibre of manager we need, we have to qualify for the Champions' League. Getting a short-term specialist in now would give us a squeak of a chance, either through clawing our way back into fourth place or through winning the Europa League. Leaving Emery in post even as long as Christmas will ensure that we won't achieve the first. Leaving him until May means we won't achieve the second. Even if he goes, the odds are against it....but it is a gamble we have to take, or we will be fishing in the same pool of second-rate managers again in May.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Oxfordroad80s » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:35 pm

Sack him now he's useless, has a nutcase obsession with the Uefa cup. Buy out Brendan Rogers contract at that small club and get him in asap.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Perryashburtongroves » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:42 pm

Get rid of him because once Manure sack the ugly goblin, we'll be further down the pecking order for a decent manager. Get in there first.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby mcdowell42 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:54 pm

Emery: "Before the first goal we were in the match. Second half, we starting pushing and trying to defend our chances."

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