and who remembers that brilliant parrying of a cross to his own feet against Sevilla? Or the awful performance against Spurs? I had hoped Jens would play, I get a feeling Almunia's inability to be brilliant is going to bite us against Liverpool and Man U.
Gus, after the peace that we had, I'm hesitant to break it but I disagree. Yes he kept Seaman in too long, slight error but a slight one. I think Jens will be superb this season, yes he had early errors due to injuries but performed brilliantly against Ireland and Sparta Prague so I think it is too early to rule him out as past it though clearly we should be preparing for a new keeper soon.
Manninger was good and this was a complicated one, he was performing brilliantly by all accounts I have heard in the first Arsene double season but Seamen got straight back in, question is was Seamen so great that he had to be played as soon as he was fit? For me, he was, till his last season with us, a great keeper whose performances in the 2002 world cup were key to England getting so far. I did see enough decent performances from the Austrian but also saw his decline as his confidence fell further and further. Ability wasn't the problem but I would suggest his mental ability to ride the rough with the smooth was not up to it.
Taylor good enough? As you admit, we need one of the worlds best keepers, Taylor isn't even second choice at Villa, behind an on loan Carson (who is not that good and is behind Reina at Liverpool) and Sorenson who the manager doesn't want anymore. When the team is taking a beating, he rises to it as he showed against Liverpool this season and against Juventus for us but I'm not sure he was good enough when things were equal and he only had to make a few saves.
Certainly conceded 4 in one game to Blackburn, three to Shakter two to Watford, three to Everton, three to Sunderland isn't that good though he played in some important games, kept 3 clean sheets (one against Grimsby) for us. He might have made a decent third choice but nothing more.
Stack, who performed decently in the Carling Cup for us, kind of like a lesser Almunia but not enough. He has played once at Reading, behind their USA keeper (no shame in that but beat out someone of Jens quality?), he also played for Leeds when they got relegated, well played but then got dropped for Casper.
I agree with the Seaman too long, see your point with Mannginger but he brought in Jens who has done the job for us when Seamen left, that wasn't a mistake, Almunia as solid second choice which he has turned out to be and got rid of two British keepers who were not good enough. If that is a weakness, it is a very small one
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Magic Hat I do not like to say this and I have never bought this up but frankly as it is you I will!
I do have the luxury of having been a professional footballer in goal between the ages of 15 and 19! No I wasn't a YTS, I did a year of that before getting a contract! Sure it didn't work out (due to injury) but after that I played Conference football for many years! I am not a goalkeeping guru at all but I will say I know better than most because I was a massive student of the art which really made up for my shortfalls in natural ability! Even now I still read up on the changes made to coaching techniques and when I'm lucky enough to see Bob Wilson we speak well as he recommended me to a club after he invited me to his soccer schools to assess me!
Anyhow enough of me and my understanding of an art which is completely different to any other part of football!
Goalkeeping is a mixture of attitude skill and confidence! Manninger, Stack and Taylor had this in bags full and all were more than capable of taking Safe Hands crown! Taylor has been described as the most natural talent seen in goal by several goalkeeping coaches who are independent of Arsenal! At the age of 18 he was asked for by name by the coaching staff of England to join in with training of the antional squad at London Colney! Basically he was thought of that highly when they played 2 five a side games but only has three keepers he was always asked to make to join in with the international coaching before becoming the fourth keeper!
Ask Bob Wilson and he will tell you Stuart Taylor had more natural ability than Seaman, had Seaman as his mentor and was mustard, really the next big thing! However, too many years of being forced into reserve games at Barnet took its toll and even when in training it was obvious who the best keeper it was Seaman was still played! Confidence shattered as never given a chance unless the shit hit the fan!
I can tell you about Stack and I would hope I do not have to preach to you about Manninger's natural ability....say so if you do not understand!
Frankly I am bored of typing now so I will not go on! Please though do not judge a keeper on a save here and a mistake there! It is more complicated than that!
We have had the quality at Arsenal to replace Seaman but one of Le Boss's very few shortcomings is the very special art of goalkeeping!
He never knew basically what he has in his hands and dropped it! The sad thing is that Arsene's lack of faith and confidence, despite others of better specialised knowledge, was a huge factor in three very big talents losing all confidence!
A goalkeeper without confidence is.........nothing!
I do have the luxury of having been a professional footballer in goal between the ages of 15 and 19! No I wasn't a YTS, I did a year of that before getting a contract! Sure it didn't work out (due to injury) but after that I played Conference football for many years! I am not a goalkeeping guru at all but I will say I know better than most because I was a massive student of the art which really made up for my shortfalls in natural ability! Even now I still read up on the changes made to coaching techniques and when I'm lucky enough to see Bob Wilson we speak well as he recommended me to a club after he invited me to his soccer schools to assess me!
Anyhow enough of me and my understanding of an art which is completely different to any other part of football!
Goalkeeping is a mixture of attitude skill and confidence! Manninger, Stack and Taylor had this in bags full and all were more than capable of taking Safe Hands crown! Taylor has been described as the most natural talent seen in goal by several goalkeeping coaches who are independent of Arsenal! At the age of 18 he was asked for by name by the coaching staff of England to join in with training of the antional squad at London Colney! Basically he was thought of that highly when they played 2 five a side games but only has three keepers he was always asked to make to join in with the international coaching before becoming the fourth keeper!
Ask Bob Wilson and he will tell you Stuart Taylor had more natural ability than Seaman, had Seaman as his mentor and was mustard, really the next big thing! However, too many years of being forced into reserve games at Barnet took its toll and even when in training it was obvious who the best keeper it was Seaman was still played! Confidence shattered as never given a chance unless the shit hit the fan!
I can tell you about Stack and I would hope I do not have to preach to you about Manninger's natural ability....say so if you do not understand!
Frankly I am bored of typing now so I will not go on! Please though do not judge a keeper on a save here and a mistake there! It is more complicated than that!
We have had the quality at Arsenal to replace Seaman but one of Le Boss's very few shortcomings is the very special art of goalkeeping!
He never knew basically what he has in his hands and dropped it! The sad thing is that Arsene's lack of faith and confidence, despite others of better specialised knowledge, was a huge factor in three very big talents losing all confidence!
A goalkeeper without confidence is.........nothing!
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I think that you are gay, why else would you want to wear leather gloves and have grown men shooting at you all daygus ceasar is a legend wrote:Magic Hat I do not like to say this and I have never bought this up but frankly as it is you I will!
I do have the luxury of having been a professional footballer in goal between the ages of 15 and 19! No I wasn't a YTS, I did a year of that before getting a contract! Sure it didn't work out (due to injury) but after that I played Conference football for many years! I am not a goalkeeping guru at all but I will say I know better than most because I was a massive student of the art which really made up for my shortfalls in natural ability! Even now I still read up on the changes made to coaching techniques and when I'm lucky enough to see Bob Wilson we speak well as he recommended me to a club after he invited me to his soccer schools to assess me!
Anyhow enough of me and my understanding of an art which is completely different to any other part of football!
Goalkeeping is a mixture of attitude skill and confidence! Manninger, Stack and Taylor had this in bags full and all were more than capable of taking Safe Hands crown! Taylor has been described as the most natural talent seen in goal by several goalkeeping coaches who are independent of Arsenal! At the age of 18 he was asked for by name by the coaching staff of England to join in with training of the antional squad at London Colney! Basically he was thought of that highly when they played 2 five a side games but only has three keepers he was always asked to make to join in with the international coaching before becoming the fourth keeper!
Ask Bob Wilson and he will tell you Stuart Taylor had more natural ability than Seaman, had Seaman as his mentor and was mustard, really the next big thing! However, too many years of being forced into reserve games at Barnet took its toll and even when in training it was obvious who the best keeper it was Seaman was still played! Confidence shattered as never given a chance unless the shit hit the fan!
I can tell you about Stack and I would hope I do not have to preach to you about Manninger's natural ability....say so if you do not understand!
Frankly I am bored of typing now so I will not go on! Please though do not judge a keeper on a save here and a mistake there! It is more complicated than that!
We have had the quality at Arsenal to replace Seaman but one of Le Boss's very few shortcomings is the very special art of goalkeeping!
He never knew basically what he has in his hands and dropped it! The sad thing is that Arsene's lack of faith and confidence, despite others of better specialised knowledge, was a huge factor in three very big talents loing all confidence!
A goalkeeper without confidence is.........nothing!
There is nothing wrong with gay, I just find it a pain in the arse
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hypothetical question for the experts .
assuming we are willing to spend upto 15 million squid , which world class Arsenal worthy keeper could we buy in the jan window or worst case for next season . naturally i mean someone who is isnt a great prospect or one for the future rather someone who can start from day one and be a significant improvement to what we have at the moment .
assuming we are willing to spend upto 15 million squid , which world class Arsenal worthy keeper could we buy in the jan window or worst case for next season . naturally i mean someone who is isnt a great prospect or one for the future rather someone who can start from day one and be a significant improvement to what we have at the moment .
In my eyes the best keeper in the world at present is Cech, Arsene knows that he missed out on him previously and I think our chance has gone unfortunately. Gus the Leg End is best to tell us about keepers, he is now our resident expert equipped with leather glovesWengerKnows wrote:hypothetical question for the experts .
assuming we are willing to spend upto 15 million squid , which world class Arsenal worthy keeper could we buy in the jan window or worst case for next season . naturally i mean someone who is isnt a great prospect or one for the future rather someone who can start from day one and be a significant improvement to what we have at the moment .
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They aint made of leather.....they are made of a lovely soft latex! 
Cech is the obvious choice and rightly so!
Failing that Scott Carson...behind a well drilled back four he would be awesome!
Another we have missed out on, which is well known that Arsene was advised to take, is now palying for Sunderland!!!!
Cech is the obvious choice and rightly so!
Failing that Scott Carson...behind a well drilled back four he would be awesome!
Another we have missed out on, which is well known that Arsene was advised to take, is now palying for Sunderland!!!!
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I think Gordon is a good keeper but didnt Sunderland pay 12 million for him or something stupid, that is a fucking ridiculous amount of money for a keeper who hadnt played at the top level (ie Scotland)Another we have missed out on, which is well known that Arsene was advised to take, is now palying for Sunderland!!!!
My experience is that I'm a bad keeper but I do enjoy the position 
Daz, Gordon had played against France and Italy, his fee was £11 million, it only looked expensive as keepers are ridiculously undervalued
He did go on loan four times Taylor and quite frankly, talented he may have been but Aston Villa third choice he is now, he could have asked to go on loan to build him games, he have bided his time (sorry but Seaman was one of the best in the world till after the 2002 world cup, it was hard to drop him), Taylor failed to really show he was worthy of his place, unlike Mannigner, in the end I think Bob Wilson may have got it wrong. Sometimes talented players just don't fulfil their potential due to unlucky timing, Taylor may well have be one of them.
Mannigner as I said was talented but understand both sides of the argument of should he have kept his place, I felt sorry for him near the end of his Arsenal career. Tell me about Stack though as he always seemed championship division quality?
Agree to disagree?
Daz, Gordon had played against France and Italy, his fee was £11 million, it only looked expensive as keepers are ridiculously undervalued He did go on loan four times Taylor and quite frankly, talented he may have been but Aston Villa third choice he is now, he could have asked to go on loan to build him games, he have bided his time (sorry but Seaman was one of the best in the world till after the 2002 world cup, it was hard to drop him), Taylor failed to really show he was worthy of his place, unlike Mannigner, in the end I think Bob Wilson may have got it wrong. Sometimes talented players just don't fulfil their potential due to unlucky timing, Taylor may well have be one of them.
Mannigner as I said was talented but understand both sides of the argument of should he have kept his place, I felt sorry for him near the end of his Arsenal career. Tell me about Stack though as he always seemed championship division quality?
Agree to disagree?
I have zero doubt that manninger should have held his place when seaman returned from injury back then and wenger's treatment of him was a disgrace . They say that confidence plays a big part in a keepers game and I think it is fair to say that arsene had shattered manningers confidence by the time he left and that really frustrated me. On taylor I never really felt convinced of him (esp on crosses) to be honest but that was maybe more of a personal thing so if others claim he was the most natural keeper at the club then I am willing to bow to their more qualified experience. I will say though that sometimes I felt willow "bigged" him up so much cos he was homegrown/english.
We def have missed the boat with cech but I would still like to see us entice casillas to this club. I believe that he is the best keeper in the world(yes better than buffon & almunia
) and would also be a huge help in persuading cesc that we are going to feast at the big boys table from now on. Plus it would be great to nab one of madrids stars after watching them tap up ours for years
. They say that confidence plays a big part in a keepers game and I think it is fair to say that arsene had shattered manningers confidence by the time he left and that really frustrated me. On taylor I never really felt convinced of him (esp on crosses) to be honest but that was maybe more of a personal thing so if others claim he was the most natural keeper at the club then I am willing to bow to their more qualified experience. I will say though that sometimes I felt willow "bigged" him up so much cos he was homegrown/english.We def have missed the boat with cech but I would still like to see us entice casillas to this club. I believe that he is the best keeper in the world(yes better than buffon & almunia
) and would also be a huge help in persuading cesc that we are going to feast at the big boys table from now on. Plus it would be great to nab one of madrids stars after watching them tap up ours for years