ARSENE WENGER TRANSFERS:DO YOU WANT HIM TO HAVE MORE MONEY?
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I've been following your efforts with basic vocabulary for a while mate.topcat wrote:Babatunde, its getting late mate. Go to bed and we'll all be fresh to discuss this topic in the morning.
I appreciate your positive outlook, and I remember undergoing the same never-say-negatives positivity when I was following the Arsenal as a 15 year old.
When you get older, your views change somewhat (with many, not all).
In any event, I'd happily warm you some milk if it helps you sleep better, so as you say, we can be fresh for this discussion in the morning after a long nap!
Nighty night
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I don't think Gallas was a flop...he was the main man in the centre of our defence from his arrival, so you can't really classify him as a flop...he may not have been as good as you would have liked, but flop, no...
Also, some signings may not have turned out that great overall for one reason or another but were actually good signings when they were signed.. Rosicky, Eduardo and Arshavin being good examples of that..
The answer to the question 'do i want him to have any more money to spend' ...is no...because i think it's time for him to move on and i don't think there is any point in allowing him to keep the team going in the direction he has been taking it...
Also, some signings may not have turned out that great overall for one reason or another but were actually good signings when they were signed.. Rosicky, Eduardo and Arshavin being good examples of that..
The answer to the question 'do i want him to have any more money to spend' ...is no...because i think it's time for him to move on and i don't think there is any point in allowing him to keep the team going in the direction he has been taking it...
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Gallas was a flop for me as best shown by his disgraceful conduct at Birmingham in 08.Bergkamp-Genius wrote:I don't think Gallas was a flop...he was the main man in the centre of our defence from his arrival, so you can't really classify him as a flop...he may not have been as good as you would have liked, but flop, no...
Also, some signings may not have turned out that great overall for one reason or another but were actually good signings when they were signed.. Rosicky, Eduardo and Arshavin being good examples of that..
And if a signing seems good but does not turn out, that is the risk assumed by the manager upon signing the player. Wenger's made too many gambles that haven't worked out.
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Gallas was a good player for us.
Plus he had the guts to tell some of the slackers what he thought of them.
Eduardo was good too, injury put paid to his career.
Walcott, not a flop. Not a massive success, but not too bad and still young.
Rosicky, good before his injury. So not a bad signing, but an unlucky one.
I believe that Bischoff was £500,000 not £1.3M. Where was £1.3M from?
Plus he had the guts to tell some of the slackers what he thought of them.
Eduardo was good too, injury put paid to his career.
Walcott, not a flop. Not a massive success, but not too bad and still young.
Rosicky, good before his injury. So not a bad signing, but an unlucky one.
I believe that Bischoff was £500,000 not £1.3M. Where was £1.3M from?
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I didn't like Gallas much, but i don't think he was any where near bad enough to be labelled a flop and certainly not off the back of one game, where it was his attitude that was at fault not his game...SWLGooner wrote:Gallas was a flop for me as best shown by his disgraceful conduct at Birmingham in 08.Bergkamp-Genius wrote:I don't think Gallas was a flop...he was the main man in the centre of our defence from his arrival, so you can't really classify him as a flop...he may not have been as good as you would have liked, but flop, no...
Also, some signings may not have turned out that great overall for one reason or another but were actually good signings when they were signed.. Rosicky, Eduardo and Arshavin being good examples of that..
And if a signing seems good but does not turn out, that is the risk assumed by the manager upon signing the player. Wenger's made too many gambles that haven't worked out.
As for the other three...i have no problems with players who appeared to be quality not working out, that is a risk a manager has to take...I have far more problems when he doesn't take the risk of buying quality players than when he does and they turn out to be not as good as expected or end up ruined by injury...
Do you lot not think that a Director of Football, like a superior Comolli, should be drafted in to deal with signings? Think about it. Arsenal appoint e.g. Bergkamp as Director of Football.
He identifies Three players per position lacking. So creative midfielder he gives Wenger a list with:
- Christian Eriksen
- Mario Goetze
- Eden Hazard
Wenger's job is to pick one of these he wants, and the negotiations are left to Gazidis over price and contract. Wenger should have NOTHING to do with that.
So you see, AW is still picking the player, but if one fails, then it goes to a second choice etc.
This works perfectly fine at other clubs. Liverpool have it, Sevilla do it, AC Milan have had that for ages, Inter Milan had Marco Branca. It works fine, and the best part of all is that it takes away massive power from Wenger.
Believe me, if you have a Director of Football, then forget signing Shitachis, Chamakhs and Santos at That price. (when the likes of a better, physically fitter Enrique are available for less).
I am not saying Wenger ain;t free to carry on his obsession with rubbish young kids....but again. All young players can be scouted, and Wenger given a list by the DOF. He then is to pick a list of them. Meaning, Arsenal don't end up with so many rubbish French kids.
The only problem with this model though, is that it is ambitious, and requires a serious club organization and investment crucially.
He identifies Three players per position lacking. So creative midfielder he gives Wenger a list with:
- Christian Eriksen
- Mario Goetze
- Eden Hazard
Wenger's job is to pick one of these he wants, and the negotiations are left to Gazidis over price and contract. Wenger should have NOTHING to do with that.
So you see, AW is still picking the player, but if one fails, then it goes to a second choice etc.
This works perfectly fine at other clubs. Liverpool have it, Sevilla do it, AC Milan have had that for ages, Inter Milan had Marco Branca. It works fine, and the best part of all is that it takes away massive power from Wenger.
Believe me, if you have a Director of Football, then forget signing Shitachis, Chamakhs and Santos at That price. (when the likes of a better, physically fitter Enrique are available for less).
I am not saying Wenger ain;t free to carry on his obsession with rubbish young kids....but again. All young players can be scouted, and Wenger given a list by the DOF. He then is to pick a list of them. Meaning, Arsenal don't end up with so many rubbish French kids.
The only problem with this model though, is that it is ambitious, and requires a serious club organization and investment crucially.
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Re: ARSENE WENGER TRANSFERS:DO YOU WANT HIM TO HAVE MORE MON
[quote="Babatunde"]I was thinking about Arsene Wenger's transfer record
January 2006:
In:
Theo Walcott (Southampton, £6 million initially, rising to £12 million on completion) FLOP
Abou Diaby (Auxerre, £2.5 million). Arsene's boyfriend MEGA-FLOP.
Summer 2006:
In:
Tomáš Rosický (Borussia Dortmund, £8 million) FLOP.
Justin Hoyte (Sunderland, loan return) FLOP.
Jeremie Aliadière (Wolverhampton Wanderers, loan return) FLOP.
William Gallas (Chelsea, player exchange) FLOP.
DenÃlson Pereira Neves (Sao Paulo, £3.4m) FLOP.
Summer 2007:
Łukasz Fabiański ( £2m, Legia Warsaw) MEGAFLOP.
Carlos Eduardo da Silva (£7.5m, Dinamo Zagreb ) FLOP. (Unfortunate yes. Still a flop. sold at a loss too).
Bacary Sagna (£7m, Auxerre) SUCCESS.
Lassana Diarra (undisclosed, Chelsea) FLOP (due to management. Quality player, sold at a ridiculous knockdown price, played out of position, sacrificed for Flamini. Idiotic.)
Summer 2008:
In:
Carlos Alberto Vela Garrido (returning from loan, work permit approved) FLOP
Aaron Ramsey (£5m, Cardiff) JURY OUT
Samir Nasri (£11m, Marseille) SUCCESS
Amaury Bischoff (£1.3 million, Werder Bremen) Ha ha ha ha.
Mikaël Silvestre (£750k, Manchester United) Ha ha ha ha ha.
January 2009:
Andrey Arshavin (£10m initially, rising to £16.5 million Zenit St. Petersburg) FLOP
Summer 2009:
Thomas Vermaelen (£10m, Ajax) SUCCESS.
Summer 2010:
Marouane Chamakh (free) EPIC FLOP.
Laurent Koscielny (£10.5 million, Lorient) JURY OUT (so far I'd say a flop at that price though)
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Walcott not a flop, not great but at 6 to 12m not a flop.
Rosicky was class when he joined and then joined the injury train amongst other rumours.
Aliadière, come on man he was the next big thing and it just fell apart for him. Anyone i ask-non gunners still talk of his potential.
Eduardo- what planet? vfm until injury.
Diarra- player issue as world and his wife knows, didn't want to wait his turn.
Ramsey again vfm and starting to show good form.
Nasri- again had serious potential but only performed for less than 6 months. Won't blame Wenger until I see Mancini play him week in week out.
Arshavin not sure!
Verm top drawer, Kos is too. He has been finding his feet and is becoming very good cb.
Those I ignored are agreed rubbish but how much has been wasted here compared to other top 4 clubs- Veron, Bebe, Berbatov??
January 2006:
In:
Theo Walcott (Southampton, £6 million initially, rising to £12 million on completion) FLOP
Abou Diaby (Auxerre, £2.5 million). Arsene's boyfriend MEGA-FLOP.
Summer 2006:
In:
Tomáš Rosický (Borussia Dortmund, £8 million) FLOP.
Justin Hoyte (Sunderland, loan return) FLOP.
Jeremie Aliadière (Wolverhampton Wanderers, loan return) FLOP.
William Gallas (Chelsea, player exchange) FLOP.
DenÃlson Pereira Neves (Sao Paulo, £3.4m) FLOP.
Summer 2007:
Łukasz Fabiański ( £2m, Legia Warsaw) MEGAFLOP.
Carlos Eduardo da Silva (£7.5m, Dinamo Zagreb ) FLOP. (Unfortunate yes. Still a flop. sold at a loss too).
Bacary Sagna (£7m, Auxerre) SUCCESS.
Lassana Diarra (undisclosed, Chelsea) FLOP (due to management. Quality player, sold at a ridiculous knockdown price, played out of position, sacrificed for Flamini. Idiotic.)
Summer 2008:
In:
Carlos Alberto Vela Garrido (returning from loan, work permit approved) FLOP
Aaron Ramsey (£5m, Cardiff) JURY OUT
Samir Nasri (£11m, Marseille) SUCCESS
Amaury Bischoff (£1.3 million, Werder Bremen) Ha ha ha ha.
Mikaël Silvestre (£750k, Manchester United) Ha ha ha ha ha.
January 2009:
Andrey Arshavin (£10m initially, rising to £16.5 million Zenit St. Petersburg) FLOP
Summer 2009:
Thomas Vermaelen (£10m, Ajax) SUCCESS.
Summer 2010:
Marouane Chamakh (free) EPIC FLOP.
Laurent Koscielny (£10.5 million, Lorient) JURY OUT (so far I'd say a flop at that price though)
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Walcott not a flop, not great but at 6 to 12m not a flop.
Rosicky was class when he joined and then joined the injury train amongst other rumours.
Aliadière, come on man he was the next big thing and it just fell apart for him. Anyone i ask-non gunners still talk of his potential.
Eduardo- what planet? vfm until injury.
Diarra- player issue as world and his wife knows, didn't want to wait his turn.
Ramsey again vfm and starting to show good form.
Nasri- again had serious potential but only performed for less than 6 months. Won't blame Wenger until I see Mancini play him week in week out.
Arshavin not sure!
Verm top drawer, Kos is too. He has been finding his feet and is becoming very good cb.
Those I ignored are agreed rubbish but how much has been wasted here compared to other top 4 clubs- Veron, Bebe, Berbatov??
Not sure I agree with a Director of Football model, but I do agree that Wenger should not be involved with the negotiations. Since Dein left we really have struggled in the transfer market.
BTW is Comolli now Director of Football at Liverpool?
BTW is Comolli now Director of Football at Liverpool?
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