THE WENGER THREAD

[wilko49er]

I think expecting loyalty in modern day football is just silly. RVP sat down with Wenger, and Wenger showed he had fuck all ambition. So RVP was left with two choices. (a) stay in the never ending 4th place cycle, and win fuck all, or (b) join a team with actual title aspirations. In fairness, he achieved more in the couple of seasons he spent at united, then we have as a club, in over a decade. The idea that he should have somehow shown loyalty to a club that had zero ambition is laughable, especially when you consider, nearly everyone on here, was criticising our lack of ambition, up until he left.

Absolute horseshit. If any other player from that team (the ones that had earned the right by playing) had questioned the club's ambition I'd say fair fucks, but not that cúnt. You paint him (the bit in red) as if he was some kind of Honest John, and that the only issue was on the club's side, when in reality, he was a hypocrite. I ask you again; why did he not question the club's ambition during his years sitting on the treatment table?

"Expecting" loyalty might seem silly to you, but demanding it is not - not to me anyway. I have no idea how old you are, but in my generation, you earned the right to do something, you demonstrated loyalty, you contributed, you earned the right to have an opinion, you weren't entitled to it. But it's now right for a player that has contributed fuck all to dictate things?? Fuck that.

To excuse disloyalty like it's nothing smacks of everything that stinks about modern football - something nearly everyone on here has criticised for years...

So its fair to say you hate the fecker!

[DB10GOONER]

I think expecting loyalty in modern day football is just silly. RVP sat down with Wenger, and Wenger showed he had fuck all ambition. So RVP was left with two choices. (a) stay in the never ending 4th place cycle, and win fuck all, or (b) join a team with actual title aspirations. In fairness, he achieved more in the couple of seasons he spent at united, then we have as a club, in over a decade. The idea that he should have somehow shown loyalty to a club that had zero ambition is laughable, especially when you consider, nearly everyone on here, was criticising our lack of ambition, up until he left.

Absolute horseshit. If any other player from that team (the ones that had earned the right by playing) had questioned the club's ambition I'd say fair fucks, but not that cúnt. You paint him (the bit in red) as if he was some kind of Honest John, and that the only issue was on the club's side, when in reality, he was a hypocrite. I ask you again; why did he not question the club's ambition during his years sitting on the treatment table?

"Expecting" loyalty might seem silly to you, but demanding it is not - not to me anyway. I have no idea how old you are, but in my generation, you earned the right to do something, you demonstrated loyalty, you contributed, you earned the right to have an opinion, you weren't entitled to it. But it's now right for a player that has contributed fuck all to dictate things?? Fuck that.

To excuse disloyalty like it's nothing smacks of everything that stinks about modern football - something nearly everyone on here has criticised for years...

So its fair to say you hate the fecker!

Let's just say I hope he gets raped to death by an elephant on Viagra and PCP and leave it at that.

[BFG4]

I think expecting loyalty in modern day football is just silly. RVP sat down with Wenger, and Wenger showed he had fuck all ambition. So RVP was left with two choices. (a) stay in the never ending 4th place cycle, and win fuck all, or (b) join a team with actual title aspirations. In fairness, he achieved more in the couple of seasons he spent at united, then we have as a club, in over a decade. The idea that he should have somehow shown loyalty to a club that had zero ambition is laughable, especially when you consider, nearly everyone on here, was criticising our lack of ambition, up until he left.

Absolute horseshit. If any other player from that team (the ones that had earned the right by playing) had questioned the club's ambition I'd say fair fucks, but not that cúnt. You paint him (the bit in red) as if he was some kind of Honest John, and that the only issue was on the club's side, when in reality, he was a hypocrite. I ask you again; why did he not question the club's ambition during his years sitting on the treatment table?

"Expecting" loyalty might seem silly to you, but demanding it is not - not to me anyway. I have no idea how old you are, but in my generation, you earned the right to do something, you demonstrated loyalty, you contributed, you earned the right to have an opinion, you weren't entitled to it. But it's now right for a player that has contributed fuck all to dictate things?? Fuck that.

To excuse disloyalty like it's nothing smacks of everything that stinks about modern football - something nearly everyone on here has criticised for years...

I'm not suggesting that I'm happy for players to show fuck all loyalty, but I think its illogical to expect it in the modern game. You could argue, that academy players aside, every player shows disloyalty to move somewhere else. I still don't know what you expected RVP to do. Lets put it this way, we all support the club, and can still see the clear problems that exist from top to bottom, but we love the club, so we are forced to put up with it. However, a player who knows it's his job, is hardly going to put up with these same problems, when he is being offered a better deal somewhere else. Each to their own, but I don't believe any player in modern day football, loves the team they play for, and you can include any of our current squad within that. I support whoever puts on an Arsenal jersey on, but I don't believe for a second, that there isn't a price, that wouldn't see them go somewhere else.

[DB10GOONER]

I think expecting loyalty in modern day football is just silly. RVP sat down with Wenger, and Wenger showed he had fuck all ambition. So RVP was left with two choices. (a) stay in the never ending 4th place cycle, and win fuck all, or (b) join a team with actual title aspirations. In fairness, he achieved more in the couple of seasons he spent at united, then we have as a club, in over a decade. The idea that he should have somehow shown loyalty to a club that had zero ambition is laughable, especially when you consider, nearly everyone on here, was criticising our lack of ambition, up until he left.

Absolute horseshit. If any other player from that team (the ones that had earned the right by playing) had questioned the club's ambition I'd say fair fucks, but not that cúnt. You paint him (the bit in red) as if he was some kind of Honest John, and that the only issue was on the club's side, when in reality, he was a hypocrite. I ask you again; why did he not question the club's ambition during his years sitting on the treatment table?

"Expecting" loyalty might seem silly to you, but demanding it is not - not to me anyway. I have no idea how old you are, but in my generation, you earned the right to do something, you demonstrated loyalty, you contributed, you earned the right to have an opinion, you weren't entitled to it. But it's now right for a player that has contributed fuck all to dictate things?? Fuck that.

To excuse disloyalty like it's nothing smacks of everything that stinks about modern football - something nearly everyone on here has criticised for years...

I'm not suggesting that I'm happy for players to show fuck all loyalty, but I think its illogical to expect it in the modern game. You could argue, that academy players aside, every player shows disloyalty to move somewhere else. I still don't know what you expected RVP to do. Lets put it this way, we all support the club, and can still see the clear problems that exist from top to bottom, but we love the club, so we are forced to put up with it. However, a player who knows it's his job, is hardly going to put up with these same problems, when he is being offered a better deal somewhere else. Each to their own, but I don't believe any player in modern day football, loves the team they play for, and you can include any of our current squad within that. I support whoever puts on an Arsenal jersey on, but I don't believe for a second, that there isn't a price, that wouldn't see them go somewhere else.

I don't think you understand my point here. What offends me is not RVJC leaving. Players leave - it happens. What offends me is the way his actions have been justified by some Gooners as the actions of a normal decent person, as if his actions shouldn't be questioned or criticised. People coming on here saying he shouldn't get abuse for what he did. THAT's what I disagree with. If he had questioned the club's ambition and walked out on his 100K a week after, I dunno say, 4 years lying on our treatment table because the club didn't match his ambition I'd say fine, no problem. But to spend 9 years malingering on our treatment table, being paid millions, and never once question the club, and then after the one banker of a season he suddenly now questions the club and cashes in for a move to the Filth? That's the actions of a cúnt.

[Gunner Rob]

whether or not you hate RVP and to be honest he was a bit of a the way he left us the key point for me was that he is probably the only Arsenal player under Wenger who left BUT ALSO TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS. He totally exposed the club as having no ambition FOUR years ago.

what saddens me is that it has taken FOUR years for (possibly the majority now) of our fanbase to realise that the club has no ambition.

[DB10GOONER]

whether or not you hate RVP and to be honest he was a bit of a the way he left us the key point for me was that he is probably the only Arsenal player under Wenger who left BUT ALSO TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS. He totally exposed the club as having no ambition FOUR years ago.

what saddens me is that it has taken FOUR years for (possibly the majority now) of our fanbase to realise that the club has no ambition.

You know what? I still don't believe the majority of our fans do realise the club has no ambition. The reaction to the banners last season was a shock tbh. I expected a few diehard AKB's to stand up for their Lord and Master Wenger, but for banner holders to be assaulted? Spat at? And the very public backlash of counter-banners and rousing choruses of "One Arsene Wenger" etc really made me realise that we that want him gone are still a minority...

[Gunner Rob]

probably the most damning article on Wenger and Arsenal by any journalist I have read so far.
I get the impression the press are going to try and finish him off

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/arsen ... ter-times/

[Gunner Rob]

whether or not you hate RVP and to be honest he was a bit of a the way he left us the key point for me was that he is probably the only Arsenal player under Wenger who left BUT ALSO TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS. He totally exposed the club as having no ambition FOUR years ago.

what saddens me is that it has taken FOUR years for (possibly the majority now) of our fanbase to realise that the club has no ambition.

You know what? I still don't believe the majority of our fans do realise the club has no ambition. The reaction to the banners last season was a shock tbh. I expected a few diehard AKB's to stand up for their Lord and Master Wenger, but for banner holders to be assaulted? Spat at? And the very public backlash of counter-banners and rousing choruses of "One Arsene Wenger" etc really made me realise that we that want him gone are still a minority...

last season yes but I think things are changing very quickly now.

[DB10GOONER]

whether or not you hate RVP and to be honest he was a bit of a the way he left us the key point for me was that he is probably the only Arsenal player under Wenger who left BUT ALSO TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS. He totally exposed the club as having no ambition FOUR years ago.

what saddens me is that it has taken FOUR years for (possibly the majority now) of our fanbase to realise that the club has no ambition.

You know what? I still don't believe the majority of our fans do realise the club has no ambition. The reaction to the banners last season was a shock tbh. I expected a few diehard AKB's to stand up for their Lord and Master Wenger, but for banner holders to be assaulted? Spat at? And the very public backlash of counter-banners and rousing choruses of "One Arsene Wenger" etc really made me realise that we that want him gone are still a minority...

last season yes but I think things are changing very quickly now.

I really hope you are right, but I honestly think the sheep at the Conglomerates Soccer Lego Bowl will never turn on him.

[Robin_L]

I think expecting loyalty in modern day football is just silly. RVP sat down with Wenger, and Wenger showed he had fuck all ambition. So RVP was left with two choices. (a) stay in the never ending 4th place cycle, and win fuck all, or (b) join a team with actual title aspirations. In fairness, he achieved more in the couple of seasons he spent at united, then we have as a club, in over a decade. The idea that he should have somehow shown loyalty to a club that had zero ambition is laughable, especially when you consider, nearly everyone on here, was criticising our lack of ambition, up until he left.

Absolute horseshit. If any other player from that team (the ones that had earned the right by playing) had questioned the club's ambition I'd say fair fucks, but not that cúnt. You paint him (the bit in red) as if he was some kind of Honest John, and that the only issue was on the club's side, when in reality, he was a hypocrite. I ask you again; why did he not question the club's ambition during his years sitting on the treatment table?

"Expecting" loyalty might seem silly to you, but demanding it is not - not to me anyway. I have no idea how old you are, but in my generation, you earned the right to do something, you demonstrated loyalty, you contributed, you earned the right to have an opinion, you weren't entitled to it. But it's now right for a player that has contributed fuck all to dictate things?? Fuck that.

To excuse disloyalty like it's nothing smacks of everything that stinks about modern football - something nearly everyone on here has criticised for years...

I'm not suggesting that I'm happy for players to show fuck all loyalty, but I think its illogical to expect it in the modern game. You could argue, that academy players aside, every player shows disloyalty to move somewhere else. I still don't know what you expected RVP to do. Lets put it this way, we all support the club, and can still see the clear problems that exist from top to bottom, but we love the club, so we are forced to put up with it. However, a player who knows it's his job, is hardly going to put up with these same problems, when he is being offered a better deal somewhere else. Each to their own, but I don't believe any player in modern day football, loves the team they play for, and you can include any of our current squad within that. I support whoever puts on an Arsenal jersey on, but I don't believe for a second, that there isn't a price, that wouldn't see them go somewhere else.

I don't think you understand my point here. What offends me is not RVJC leaving. Players leave - it happens. What offends me is the way his actions have been justified by some Gooners as the actions of a normal decent person, as if his actions shouldn't be questioned or criticised. People coming on here saying he shouldn't get abuse for what he did. THAT's what I disagree with. If he had questioned the club's ambition and walked out on his 100K a week after, I dunno say, 4 years lying on our treatment table because the club didn't match his ambition I'd say fine, no problem. But to spend 9 years malingering on our treatment table, being paid millions, and never once question the club, and then after the one banker of a season he suddenly now questions the club and cashes in for a move to the Filth? That's the actions of a cúnt.

Did he spend 9 years malingering on our treatment table? This is some quite startling revisionist history from some Arsenal supporters.

Van Persie's appearances for Arsenal, all comps: 41, 38, 31, 23, 44, 19, 33, 48. He made a total of 277 appearances across 8 seasons, averaging over 34 a season.

Let's compare this with Jack Wilshere. I'll chalk off his first two development seasons, so let's say we've had 6 full seasons of Jack Wilshere, post-Bolton loan. He totals 142 apps in that time, or around 23 a season.

Tomas Rosicky. 247 apps in 10 seasons, less than 25 a season. Wally Walcott, a player who most wouldn't even place in the highest bracket of Arsenal's injured contingent, he's on 321 from his 10 full seasons here, 32 a season. Less than Walcott.

van Persie's had 2 seasons out of 8 that were properly injury disrupted and even in those he appeared in nearly half our league games.

So all in all, this whole thing that's sprung up about 'greedy disloyal van Persie constantly injured year after year and then fucking off his one goal-heavy season' is just bollocks, there's no other way to say it. He gave the best years of his career to this club, was surrounded for most of it by sub-standard mediocrity and an increasingly flawed manager. I don't blame him at all for jumping ship to claim a nailed on title with United. Not one bit.

[Nos89]

This may be the Wenger thread but when are supporters going to start putting pressure on the board to spend the money. Quibbling about £2m over fee of Mustafi is an absolute joke, embarrassing this great club. It's not the first time and won't be the last until the board change their mentality.

I'll criticise Wenger for team affairs and tactics but the board must be held accountable for the bargain booze transfer policy.

[Gunner Rob]

This may be the Wenger thread but when are supporters going to start putting pressure on the board to spend the money. Quibbling about £2m over fee of Mustafi is an absolute joke, embarrassing this great club. It's not the first time and won't be the last until the board change their mentality.

I'll criticise Wenger for team affairs and tactics but the board must be held accountable for the bargain booze transfer policy.

HOW MANY MORE TIMES!!!
THE MONEY IS THERE - WENGER WON'T SPEND IT!!!

[xgtdec]

probably the most damning article on Wenger and Arsenal by any journalist I have read so far.
I get the impression the press are going to try and finish him off

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/arsen ... ter-times/

Anyone got the full article??

[g60gooner]

probably the most damning article on Wenger and Arsenal by any journalist I have read so far.
I get the impression the press are going to try and finish him off

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/arsen ... ter-times/

Anyone got the full article??

I think the Times is subscription only, so possibly not, unfortunately.

[BFG4]

This may be the Wenger thread but when are supporters going to start putting pressure on the board to spend the money. Quibbling about £2m over fee of Mustafi is an absolute joke, embarrassing this great club. It's not the first time and won't be the last until the board change their mentality.

I'll criticise Wenger for team affairs and tactics but the board must be held accountable for the bargain booze transfer policy.

It's Wenger who is haggling over the price, not the board. The board have made it clear, they know nothing about the transfer market, or buying players. Wenger sees reaching the VT, with as little spending as possible, as a badge of honour. The board deserve blame for not holding Wenger to account, but there has been zero suggestion that they have withheld any funds.