As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Not watched any of it and couldn't care less, I'm surprised so many on here bother to watch us, I mean I'm one of the more optimistic but really haven't watched us hardly at all this season.
I won't watch tomorrow or the return in Russia and won't until Wenger leaves and I can get excited about football again.
This dinosaur still in charge coupled with the disgusting amount of money that quite frankly bang average players earn really ruins football for me anyway.
Oh go on, admit it, you do care a little bit
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But while there is a manure v shitty game on I'm ordering a part for my hot tub then getting ready to go out on the town on a family do.
Once upon a time I would always watch the football or at least record it.
In fact it's gotten that bad I've been watching golf lately
I can genuinely understand those who have had to switch off to preserve their sanity......but golf is a bit premature while there is still drink to turn to mate. If you've done the drink thing then I guess your screwed
Not watched any of it and couldn't care less, I'm surprised so many on here bother to watch us, I mean I'm one of the more optimistic but really haven't watched us hardly at all this season.
I won't watch tomorrow or the return in Russia and won't until Wenger leaves and I can get excited about football again.
This dinosaur still in charge coupled with the disgusting amount of money that quite frankly bang average players earn really ruins football for me anyway.
Oh go on, admit it, you do care a little bit
.
But while there is a manure v shitty game on I'm ordering a part for my hot tub then getting ready to go out on the town on a family do.
Once upon a time I would always watch the football or at least record it.
In fact it's gotten that bad I've been watching golf lately
I can genuinely understand those who have had to switch off to preserve their sanity......but golf is a bit premature while there is still drink to turn to mate. If you've done the drink thing then I guess your screwed
Don't talk about beer I've just got up from last night's do and I feel, well shall we say delicate
I've got my son and his girlfriend coming round for Sunday roast so I'm going to have to wing it
Not watched any of it and couldn't care less, I'm surprised so many on here bother to watch us, I mean I'm one of the more optimistic but really haven't watched us hardly at all this season.
I won't watch tomorrow or the return in Russia and won't until Wenger leaves and I can get excited about football again.
This dinosaur still in charge coupled with the disgusting amount of money that quite frankly bang average players earn really ruins football for me anyway.
Oh go on, admit it, you do care a little bit
.
But while there is a manure v shitty game on I'm ordering a part for my hot tub then getting ready to go out on the town on a family do.
Once upon a time I would always watch the football or at least record it.
In fact it's gotten that bad I've been watching golf lately
I can genuinely understand those who have had to switch off to preserve their sanity......but golf is a bit premature while there is still drink to turn to mate. If you've done the drink thing then I guess your screwed
Don't talk about beer I've just got up from last night's do and I feel, well shall we say delicate
I've got my son and his girlfriend coming round for Sunday roast so I'm going to have to wing it
.
But while there is a manure v shitty game on I'm ordering a part for my hot tub then getting ready to go out on the town on a family do.
Once upon a time I would always watch the football or at least record it.
In fact it's gotten that bad I've been watching golf lately
I can genuinely understand those who have had to switch off to preserve their sanity......but golf is a bit premature while there is still drink to turn to mate. If you've done the drink thing then I guess your screwed
Don't talk about beer I've just got up from last night's do and I feel, well shall we say delicate
I've got my son and his girlfriend coming round for Sunday roast so I'm going to have to wing it
Mustafi, Bellerin, and Kos (sadly because I actually liked him as a player) all need to be replaced next year.
I'm good with Nacho, I think hes pretty good. But the others need to be recycled. And of course we need a new DM. Xhaka has SOME uses in the squad, but not as the every day starting DM.
Fully agree re Nacho, he is one of the very few we currently have with any nous and I think a coached Bellerin could be a very good player too.
I am extremely interested about any uses for Xhaka you have found as I've been racking my brains and apart from in the foundations of my new patio I am really struggling to come up with anything
I'd replace the entire back 5. Monreal twice followed the ball and ran into the CB territory leaving two players behind him with all the space they needed, fortunately, they could'nt finish.
I'd stay with cech in goal for every match till the end of the season. No need to rotate in this cup competition anymore.
With chambers alongside mustafi I thought we were looking more solid at the back. Despite his experience Koscielny still has a silly unnecessary challenge in his game. It lead to their goal, and it was fortunately not in the penalty area. Still a great free kick from Golovin, we should sign him to replace Jack.
Agree 100% re monreal
There are different types of brainless footballers - there are ones who cant read the game that well but are disciplined/humble enough to just play their position, and then there is monreal who spends much of his time running around all over the place waving his hands in the air without a clue of what is going on around him. Has it escaped peoples attention that much of our early woes the other night was coming down his wing ? As an old school guy I like my defenders to defend first and foremost, but it seems that the goals he has scored has distracted people from watching his defensive decline
I think that we are being a bit harsh here folks. Bellerin, Kos and Nacho are decent players but because of a lack - of coaching, shape, discipline in front of them and various other faults which invariably stem from TOF they become an easy target. I defend Nacho because he at least, in a team of spineless wonders, seems to actually give a shit.
I certainly agree that a new keeper and a proper centre half would be a great start but to replace all five - in a oner? While I understand the frustration, that's surely going to be a case of going from bad to worse. However all this is academic because as with all things Arsenal at the moment it wouldn't make a difference if a reincarnated version of our old back five suddenly materialised from outer space because the fuckwit that is OGL would manage to make a dogs dinner out of them! It really won't matter who we leave exposed in defence until such time as he fucks off and please please let it be before 2025 - that shit really ain't funny!!
I disagree with the first paragraph. Kos and Monreal are old enough to play a match without coaching. Bellerin, does need a bit of guidance but that should come from the older heads on the pitch. He's played nearly 200 games, so he can't be that under coached he gets the basics wrong.
Fully agree re Nacho, he is one of the very few we currently have with any nous and I think a coached Bellerin could be a very good player too.
I am extremely interested about any uses for Xhaka you have found as I've been racking my brains and apart from in the foundations of my new patio I am really struggling to come up with anything
I'd replace the entire back 5. Monreal twice followed the ball and ran into the CB territory leaving two players behind him with all the space they needed, fortunately, they could'nt finish.
I'd stay with cech in goal for every match till the end of the season. No need to rotate in this cup competition anymore.
With chambers alongside mustafi I thought we were looking more solid at the back. Despite his experience Koscielny still has a silly unnecessary challenge in his game. It lead to their goal, and it was fortunately not in the penalty area. Still a great free kick from Golovin, we should sign him to replace Jack.
Agree 100% re monreal
There are different types of brainless footballers - there are ones who cant read the game that well but are disciplined/humble enough to just play their position, and then there is monreal who spends much of his time running around all over the place waving his hands in the air without a clue of what is going on around him. Has it escaped peoples attention that much of our early woes the other night was coming down his wing ? As an old school guy I like my defenders to defend first and foremost, but it seems that the goals he has scored has distracted people from watching his defensive decline
I think that we are being a bit harsh here folks. Bellerin, Kos and Nacho are decent players but because of a lack - of coaching, shape, discipline in front of them and various other faults which invariably stem from TOF they become an easy target. I defend Nacho because he at least, in a team of spineless wonders, seems to actually give a shit.
I certainly agree that a new keeper and a proper centre half would be a great start but to replace all five - in a oner? While I understand the frustration, that's surely going to be a case of going from bad to worse. However all this is academic because as with all things Arsenal at the moment it wouldn't make a difference if a reincarnated version of our old back five suddenly materialised from outer space because the fuckwit that is OGL would manage to make a dogs dinner out of them! It really won't matter who we leave exposed in defence until such time as he fucks off and please please let it be before 2025 - that shit really ain't funny!!
I disagree with the first paragraph. Kos and Monreal are old enough to play a match without coaching. Bellerin, does need a bit of guidance but that should come from the older heads on the pitch. He's played nearly 200 games, so he can't be that under coached he gets the basics wrong.
I hear what you say but I think you overestimate the mental agility of our defence and would simply point to the fact that george used to drill the back four over and over and over again (could be a song in there somewhere!) which resulted in that defence back in the day. I think you have to hammer the point home to some players to get any kind of consistency otherwise they get bored and wander off in the middle of a game!
I'd replace the entire back 5. Monreal twice followed the ball and ran into the CB territory leaving two players behind him with all the space they needed, fortunately, they could'nt finish.
I'd stay with cech in goal for every match till the end of the season. No need to rotate in this cup competition anymore.
With chambers alongside mustafi I thought we were looking more solid at the back. Despite his experience Koscielny still has a silly unnecessary challenge in his game. It lead to their goal, and it was fortunately not in the penalty area. Still a great free kick from Golovin, we should sign him to replace Jack.
Agree 100% re monreal
There are different types of brainless footballers - there are ones who cant read the game that well but are disciplined/humble enough to just play their position, and then there is monreal who spends much of his time running around all over the place waving his hands in the air without a clue of what is going on around him. Has it escaped peoples attention that much of our early woes the other night was coming down his wing ? As an old school guy I like my defenders to defend first and foremost, but it seems that the goals he has scored has distracted people from watching his defensive decline
I think that we are being a bit harsh here folks. Bellerin, Kos and Nacho are decent players but because of a lack - of coaching, shape, discipline in front of them and various other faults which invariably stem from TOF they become an easy target. I defend Nacho because he at least, in a team of spineless wonders, seems to actually give a shit.
I certainly agree that a new keeper and a proper centre half would be a great start but to replace all five - in a oner? While I understand the frustration, that's surely going to be a case of going from bad to worse. However all this is academic because as with all things Arsenal at the moment it wouldn't make a difference if a reincarnated version of our old back five suddenly materialised from outer space because the fuckwit that is OGL would manage to make a dogs dinner out of them! It really won't matter who we leave exposed in defence until such time as he fucks off and please please let it be before 2025 - that shit really ain't funny!!
I disagree with the first paragraph. Kos and Monreal are old enough to play a match without coaching. Bellerin, does need a bit of guidance but that should come from the older heads on the pitch. He's played nearly 200 games, so he can't be that under coached he gets the basics wrong.
I hear what you say but I think you overestimate the mental agility of our defence and would simply point to the fact that george used to drill the back four over and over and over again (could be a song in there somewhere!) which resulted in that defence back in the day. I think you have to hammer the point home to some players to get any kind of consistency otherwise they get bored and wander off in the middle of a game!
It's the old Clough and Paisley method who didn't coach players as such. They just expected the players who have the talent to go out and play with style, passion and aggression. Micro managing players really doesn't work as effectively. You give them the information on the opposition, tell them they're better than the opposition, know that you give the ball to the most talented players on the pitch and do what you are good at. Where I believe where wenger has failed is that he allows players to believe they are better then they actually are. If you can't defend don't become a defender...Bellerin is a good example of this.
There are different types of brainless footballers - there are ones who cant read the game that well but are disciplined/humble enough to just play their position, and then there is monreal who spends much of his time running around all over the place waving his hands in the air without a clue of what is going on around him. Has it escaped peoples attention that much of our early woes the other night was coming down his wing ? As an old school guy I like my defenders to defend first and foremost, but it seems that the goals he has scored has distracted people from watching his defensive decline
I think that we are being a bit harsh here folks. Bellerin, Kos and Nacho are decent players but because of a lack - of coaching, shape, discipline in front of them and various other faults which invariably stem from TOF they become an easy target. I defend Nacho because he at least, in a team of spineless wonders, seems to actually give a shit.
I certainly agree that a new keeper and a proper centre half would be a great start but to replace all five - in a oner? While I understand the frustration, that's surely going to be a case of going from bad to worse. However all this is academic because as with all things Arsenal at the moment it wouldn't make a difference if a reincarnated version of our old back five suddenly materialised from outer space because the fuckwit that is OGL would manage to make a dogs dinner out of them! It really won't matter who we leave exposed in defence until such time as he fucks off and please please let it be before 2025 - that shit really ain't funny!!
I disagree with the first paragraph. Kos and Monreal are old enough to play a match without coaching. Bellerin, does need a bit of guidance but that should come from the older heads on the pitch. He's played nearly 200 games, so he can't be that under coached he gets the basics wrong.
I hear what you say but I think you overestimate the mental agility of our defence and would simply point to the fact that george used to drill the back four over and over and over again (could be a song in there somewhere!) which resulted in that defence back in the day. I think you have to hammer the point home to some players to get any kind of consistency otherwise they get bored and wander off in the middle of a game!
It's the old Clough and Paisley method who didn't coach players as such. They just expected the players who have the talent to go out and play with style, passion and aggression. Micro managing players really doesn't work as effectively. You give them the information on the opposition, tell them they're better than the opposition, know that you give the ball to the most talented players on the pitch and do what you are good at. Where I believe where wenger has failed is that he allows players to believe they are better then they actually are. If you can't defend don't become a defender...Bellerin is a good example of this.
Yes I would agree with your point about TOF and him allowing the players egos to lose touch with reality. The other thing which Clough and Paisley both had which TOF does not is genuine respect from their players achieved through a combination of their own ability as man managers and with a healthy dose of old skool fear factor thrown in for good measure. Fair to say that there isn't a lot of that going on at our place whatever players might claim about their undying love and admiration for OGL. I am going to reserve judgement on Bellerin though until he moves on, I still think that he might just have it in him we just won't ever see it at our place.
