Something tells me we're stuck with him - he's an okay player, but if reports are true his attitude stinks and he has pissed off quite a few of the players as well as the coaches.
Maybe we can give him to one of our mid-table rivals?
Something tells me we're stuck with him - he's an okay player, but if reports are true his attitude stinks and he has pissed off quite a few of the players as well as the coaches.
Redarmy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:33 pmTo be fair to the lad he covers a lot of ground closing down space, but creatively limited, offers no threat going forward and think he could do more with his passing instead of playing the safe ball....hear hes only a youngster at 21....but that was Wally Wallcots excuse now hes older hes still average to worse
Augie a few of us see Guendozi as none of the above, neither technical ball player or midfield enforcer, so what is he in your opinionaugie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:14 pmRedarmy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:33 pmTo be fair to the lad he covers a lot of ground closing down space, but creatively limited, offers no threat going forward and think he could do more with his passing instead of playing the safe ball....hear hes only a youngster at 21....but that was Wally Wallcots excuse now hes older hes still average to worse
I'm not having a pop at you per se, but in recent years there has been an obsession with technical ball players - what happened to having a balance in a team cos wenger teams proved that having 11 ball players wins you fcuk all. Partnerships where one player compliments another is what should be the aim - in midfield you should have 1 destroyer and 1 creative player, and in defence you should have 1 TA6 like dominant physical player with a paul mcgrath type player to mop up around him.
As a football nation, fans nowadays have been brainwashed to believe that all players need to be very good technically - guendouzi and torreira are not that type of player, but what they will do is get in the opposition players faces and disrupt their game and then give the ball to a ceballos type of player to create for the strikers
GoonerMuzz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:08 pmAugie a few of us see Guendozi as none of the above, neither technical ball player or midfield enforcer, so what is he in your opinionaugie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:14 pmRedarmy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:33 pmTo be fair to the lad he covers a lot of ground closing down space, but creatively limited, offers no threat going forward and think he could do more with his passing instead of playing the safe ball....hear hes only a youngster at 21....but that was Wally Wallcots excuse now hes older hes still average to worse
I'm not having a pop at you per se, but in recent years there has been an obsession with technical ball players - what happened to having a balance in a team cos wenger teams proved that having 11 ball players wins you fcuk all. Partnerships where one player compliments another is what should be the aim - in midfield you should have 1 destroyer and 1 creative player, and in defence you should have 1 TA6 like dominant physical player with a paul mcgrath type player to mop up around him.
As a football nation, fans nowadays have been brainwashed to believe that all players need to be very good technically - guendouzi and torreira are not that type of player, but what they will do is get in the opposition players faces and disrupt their game and then give the ball to a ceballos type of player to create for the strikers
GoonerMuzz wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:08 pmAugie a few of us see Guendozi as none of the above, neither technical ball player or midfield enforcer, so what is he in your opinionaugie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:14 pmRedarmy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:33 pmTo be fair to the lad he covers a lot of ground closing down space, but creatively limited, offers no threat going forward and think he could do more with his passing instead of playing the safe ball....hear hes only a youngster at 21....but that was Wally Wallcots excuse now hes older hes still average to worse
I'm not having a pop at you per se, but in recent years there has been an obsession with technical ball players - what happened to having a balance in a team cos wenger teams proved that having 11 ball players wins you fcuk all. Partnerships where one player compliments another is what should be the aim - in midfield you should have 1 destroyer and 1 creative player, and in defence you should have 1 TA6 like dominant physical player with a paul mcgrath type player to mop up around him.
As a football nation, fans nowadays have been brainwashed to believe that all players need to be very good technically - guendouzi and torreira are not that type of player, but what they will do is get in the opposition players faces and disrupt their game and then give the ball to a ceballos type of player to create for the strikers
yeah agree with above, hes the water carrier in the middle, personally dont think he does enough, hes not a tackler but does put a shift in.......augie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:14 pmRedarmy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:33 pmTo be fair to the lad he covers a lot of ground closing down space, but creatively limited, offers no threat going forward and think he could do more with his passing instead of playing the safe ball....hear hes only a youngster at 21....but that was Wally Wallcots excuse now hes older hes still average to worse
I'm not having a pop at you per se, but in recent years there has been an obsession with technical ball players - what happened to having a balance in a team cos wenger teams proved that having 11 ball players wins you fcuk all. Partnerships where one player compliments another is what should be the aim - in midfield you should have 1 destroyer and 1 creative player, and in defence you should have 1 TA6 like dominant physical player with a paul mcgrath type player to mop up around him.
As a football nation, fans nowadays have been brainwashed to believe that all players need to be very good technically - guendouzi and torreira are not that type of player, but what they will do is get in the opposition players faces and disrupt their game and then give the ball to a ceballos type of player to create for the strikers
Of our current midfielders Cellabos, Torreira, Xhaka (yes) and Willock are better players than guendouzi. Guendouzi has not established a style of play that makes you trust him in the midfield. Problem is our midfield needs better players than we currently have and Guendouzi does not fit the criteria. He may be talented but what does he do with that talent? He has never produced a display that makes me think he's the real deal. He's made 82 appearances for the club, 1 goal and 4 assists over 2 seasons. Not good enough, not worth the hassle, cash in on his potential and get a better midfielder.Retro Gunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:41 amNos89 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:00 pmAgree with this. A goal keeper who catches the ball. Who'd have thought we'd see that skill returning to the game? He has shown glimpses over the last 10 years of being a quality keeper, but given his performances I'd put him ahead of Leno, simply because he catches the ball and mixes it up with the throw or long kick rather than the tippy tappy around the penalty area.
On Guendouzi, he hasn't set out what he actually does on the pitch. Does he score? does he assist? is he a hard tackler? haven't seen any of that in the last 3 seasons. He may well be a good player when he can actually show exactly what he brings to the table. I only see a player that exemplifies everything that has been wrong with our midfield for the last few seasons, great technical ability, can't tackle and doesn't make assists. I remember Denilson having more to his game than I've seen from Guendouzi.
I happen to think that there's a quality player in Guendouzi, especially as he's only just 21 and I've been happy with him so far. I see a bloke with energy, good technical ability, who carries the ball forward, but also gets busy closing down oppostion attacks in midfield and in and around our area. in short, the things that a centre mid should do. I'd concede that he isn't particularly creative going forward, but he's young.
On a more interesting note, who exactly amongst our centre mid illuminati do you consider to be better than Guendouzi? Around 18 months ago, I'd have said Torreira, but I'm not so sure now, as I think he's another poor bastard that we've ruined. So, keen to hear your take, because even if he's shit (which I don't think), it's surely a case of who's the shittest of all the shit we've got in centre mid and in my book, there's plenty more shit than him.
Nos89 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:32 pmOf our current midfielders Cellabos, Torreira, Xhaka (yes) and Willock are better players than guendouzi. Guendouzi has not established a style of play that makes you trust him in the midfield. Problem is our midfield needs better players than we currently have and Guendouzi does not fit the criteria. He may be talented but what does he do with that talent? He has never produced a display that makes me think he's the real deal. He's made 82 appearances for the club, 1 goal and 4 assists over 2 seasons. Not good enough, not worth the hassle, cash in on his potential and get a better midfielder.Retro Gunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:41 amNos89 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:00 pmAgree with this. A goal keeper who catches the ball. Who'd have thought we'd see that skill returning to the game? He has shown glimpses over the last 10 years of being a quality keeper, but given his performances I'd put him ahead of Leno, simply because he catches the ball and mixes it up with the throw or long kick rather than the tippy tappy around the penalty area.
On Guendouzi, he hasn't set out what he actually does on the pitch. Does he score? does he assist? is he a hard tackler? haven't seen any of that in the last 3 seasons. He may well be a good player when he can actually show exactly what he brings to the table. I only see a player that exemplifies everything that has been wrong with our midfield for the last few seasons, great technical ability, can't tackle and doesn't make assists. I remember Denilson having more to his game than I've seen from Guendouzi.
I happen to think that there's a quality player in Guendouzi, especially as he's only just 21 and I've been happy with him so far. I see a bloke with energy, good technical ability, who carries the ball forward, but also gets busy closing down oppostion attacks in midfield and in and around our area. in short, the things that a centre mid should do. I'd concede that he isn't particularly creative going forward, but he's young.
On a more interesting note, who exactly amongst our centre mid illuminati do you consider to be better than Guendouzi? Around 18 months ago, I'd have said Torreira, but I'm not so sure now, as I think he's another poor bastard that we've ruined. So, keen to hear your take, because even if he's shit (which I don't think), it's surely a case of who's the shittest of all the shit we've got in centre mid and in my book, there's plenty more shit than him.
I know I’m being precious but the coneman insult (and other insults) that is constantly thrown at Arteta really gets under my skinaugie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:25 pmLet's have a serious whip around to get pep's coneman some transfer funds - I mean we have a guy that thinks mustafi is better than holding and who thinks that xhaka is better than torreira, and who thinks that pepe is better than saka, so what could go wrong ??
I admire your support of him. What has he offerred our midfield that differs greatly from the rest of them? All I see is 1 goal and 4 assists over two seasons. That is a piss poor return from the next best thing as you claim him to be.augie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pmNos89 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:32 pmOf our current midfielders Cellabos, Torreira, Xhaka (yes) and Willock are better players than guendouzi. Guendouzi has not established a style of play that makes you trust him in the midfield. Problem is our midfield needs better players than we currently have and Guendouzi does not fit the criteria. He may be talented but what does he do with that talent? He has never produced a display that makes me think he's the real deal. He's made 82 appearances for the club, 1 goal and 4 assists over 2 seasons. Not good enough, not worth the hassle, cash in on his potential and get a better midfielder.Retro Gunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:41 amNos89 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:00 pmAgree with this. A goal keeper who catches the ball. Who'd have thought we'd see that skill returning to the game? He has shown glimpses over the last 10 years of being a quality keeper, but given his performances I'd put him ahead of Leno, simply because he catches the ball and mixes it up with the throw or long kick rather than the tippy tappy around the penalty area.
On Guendouzi, he hasn't set out what he actually does on the pitch. Does he score? does he assist? is he a hard tackler? haven't seen any of that in the last 3 seasons. He may well be a good player when he can actually show exactly what he brings to the table. I only see a player that exemplifies everything that has been wrong with our midfield for the last few seasons, great technical ability, can't tackle and doesn't make assists. I remember Denilson having more to his game than I've seen from Guendouzi.
I happen to think that there's a quality player in Guendouzi, especially as he's only just 21 and I've been happy with him so far. I see a bloke with energy, good technical ability, who carries the ball forward, but also gets busy closing down oppostion attacks in midfield and in and around our area. in short, the things that a centre mid should do. I'd concede that he isn't particularly creative going forward, but he's young.
On a more interesting note, who exactly amongst our centre mid illuminati do you consider to be better than Guendouzi? Around 18 months ago, I'd have said Torreira, but I'm not so sure now, as I think he's another poor bastard that we've ruined. So, keen to hear your take, because even if he's shit (which I don't think), it's surely a case of who's the shittest of all the shit we've got in centre mid and in my book, there's plenty more shit than him.
We do indeed need better players than we’ve got, but the question was who is better than Guendouzi and you pretty much said every centre mid we’ve got, including Xhaka !!! Suffice to say that Xhaka is the single worst centre mid I’ve ever seen at the club...by some margin. I think you’ve sunk your argument by citing that clown as better than Guendouzi, at least in the eyes of most on this forum.
I’ve already explained what I think Guendouzi brings, but you can’t see anything he offers. Fair enough, but tell me what Willock brings to the table, because I sure can’t see anything? As for Toreirra, I thought 18 months ago that we had a real star on our hands, but for whatever reason, those wheels have come off. He’s a shadow of his former self and I suspect he’ll be gone this summer.
I don’t see anyone offering more than Matteo in our centre mid.
Nos89 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:37 pmI admire your support of him. What has he offerred our midfield that differs greatly from the rest of them? All I see is 1 goal and 4 assists over two seasons. That is a piss poor return from the next best thing as you claim him to be.augie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pmNos89 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:32 pmOf our current midfielders Cellabos, Torreira, Xhaka (yes) and Willock are better players than guendouzi. Guendouzi has not established a style of play that makes you trust him in the midfield. Problem is our midfield needs better players than we currently have and Guendouzi does not fit the criteria. He may be talented but what does he do with that talent? He has never produced a display that makes me think he's the real deal. He's made 82 appearances for the club, 1 goal and 4 assists over 2 seasons. Not good enough, not worth the hassle, cash in on his potential and get a better midfielder.Retro Gunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:41 amNos89 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:00 pmAgree with this. A goal keeper who catches the ball. Who'd have thought we'd see that skill returning to the game? He has shown glimpses over the last 10 years of being a quality keeper, but given his performances I'd put him ahead of Leno, simply because he catches the ball and mixes it up with the throw or long kick rather than the tippy tappy around the penalty area.
On Guendouzi, he hasn't set out what he actually does on the pitch. Does he score? does he assist? is he a hard tackler? haven't seen any of that in the last 3 seasons. He may well be a good player when he can actually show exactly what he brings to the table. I only see a player that exemplifies everything that has been wrong with our midfield for the last few seasons, great technical ability, can't tackle and doesn't make assists. I remember Denilson having more to his game than I've seen from Guendouzi.
I happen to think that there's a quality player in Guendouzi, especially as he's only just 21 and I've been happy with him so far. I see a bloke with energy, good technical ability, who carries the ball forward, but also gets busy closing down oppostion attacks in midfield and in and around our area. in short, the things that a centre mid should do. I'd concede that he isn't particularly creative going forward, but he's young.
On a more interesting note, who exactly amongst our centre mid illuminati do you consider to be better than Guendouzi? Around 18 months ago, I'd have said Torreira, but I'm not so sure now, as I think he's another poor bastard that we've ruined. So, keen to hear your take, because even if he's shit (which I don't think), it's surely a case of who's the shittest of all the shit we've got in centre mid and in my book, there's plenty more shit than him.
We do indeed need better players than we’ve got, but the question was who is better than Guendouzi and you pretty much said every centre mid we’ve got, including Xhaka !!! Suffice to say that Xhaka is the single worst centre mid I’ve ever seen at the club...by some margin. I think you’ve sunk your argument by citing that clown as better than Guendouzi, at least in the eyes of most on this forum.
I’ve already explained what I think Guendouzi brings, but you can’t see anything he offers. Fair enough, but tell me what Willock brings to the table, because I sure can’t see anything? As for Toreirra, I thought 18 months ago that we had a real star on our hands, but for whatever reason, those wheels have come off. He’s a shadow of his former self and I suspect he’ll be gone this summer.
I don’t see anyone offering more than Matteo in our centre mid.
I'm sure he'll become a fine player, but not at Arsenal, nor in the premier league.