OZIL - Merged Thread

[DB10GOONER]

Seems there has been a big falling out between manager and player.

Exchange between reporters and Emery on Mesut Ozil.

Q. Could he have played?
Emery: "He has back ache."
Q. When did he get that?
Emery: "I don't know."
Q. Was he here today?
Emery: "I don't know."

Hasn’t been seen since he threw a strop at Palace wasn’t it?

I think Ozil has some mental issues - whilst there was undoubtedly some justification behind what he said then his Instagram posts were not the actions of somebody acting reasonably.

Ask anybody and they’ll tell you that Emery puts a few noses out of joint pushing his players to the max. Not sure that’s going to suit Ozil.

Just a shame when you see Mkhitaryan getting a starting berth.

Think you might be right on that. His strop at being subbed seems to be just the public face of a deeper falling out. And if Dick has fucked him off because of attitude then Dick is right. Dick is the manager. It has to be his way or the highway.

No player is bigger or more important than the team. And if Ozil can't accept that then there's the door.

Hopefully he'll come around because we do not create enough in the middle behind the strikers without him. Comedy Iwobi and Mickey Tarragon are nowhere near his level and Torriera and The Dozer are more defensively disciplined so don't really suit that number 10 role as brilliant as they both have been.

Still time for a wa back for Ramsey ? - only if Ozil leaves
Not that he is “creative” in the way Ozil is, but that is where he is most effective.
He can’t play wide and he doesn’t defend well enough to be a central midfielder.

Hmmm... possibly. That central role is where we got the best out of Ramsey in 2014 but is he too far gone up his own arsehole to be retrievable? I think he is too far fucked tbh.

Personally I'd rather keep Ozil but if it's a case that Dick doesn't see him in his future plans then Wenger has left a real financial anchor around our neck because we can't get rid of him until his contract runs out as no one will pay Ozil 350k a week. He's not worth that much. And then he'll walk on a free.

[SydneyGooner]

Not in the squad again for "tactical reasons". What's going on?

I'm not his biggest fan and would like to see him sold but surely he should be starting ahead of Iwobi and Mkhitaryan.

[rodders999]

The “tactical reasons” excuse is made up bullshit just like the “back spasms” and “illness” ones are too.

He’s not playing because he’s been dropped simple as that - either because (a) Emery reckons having him in the side is counterproductive to the way he wants us set up or (b) they’ve had a massive falling out.

Take your pick.

In the presser after the game Emery would not give a direct answer to any question about Ozil. He was asked will he leave the club in January and the response was we focus on Burnely. He was also asked does Ozil have a future at the club and agin the response was about preparing for Burnely.

So it looks like the manager wants him gone, trouble is there weren’t many (if any??) suitors for him last season when he could have fucked off for free so no idea how we plan to flog a player with a 4 year contract worth 18 mill a season.

Things are gonna get spicey come January 1st....

[DB10GOONER]

It's a falling out simple as that. It ain't because of the agenda bullshit of "he doesn't press" or "he doesn't run around enough for our system" because we do not play a pressing system and anyone that thinks we do is a fucking idiot that has never actually seen a pressing system.

Dick has let his personal thing with Ozil cloud his judgement. He has put his own ego ahead of the good of the team and that is fucking worrying tbh.

Last night he dropped the ONLY player we have that can open up defences with crisp intelligent passes and played a fat bloke that wobbles around like a retarded bobble head, a bloke that failed at manure and has been worse for us, and a fucking self obsessed glory hunting idiot that cannot do the simple things without always putting his own glory ahead of the team by fucking poisoning every move with needless backheels and flicks. Three players that cannot retain possession, that do not create chances for the striker, and that are all fucking gash.

That type of childish decision making is Wengeresque tbh. And that is also worrying.

Tactical? That was tactical last night in the way Wenger dropping AA23 for the chav semi whilst he was in a rich vein of form was fucking tactical.

Make no mistakes that scum team last night were very beatable but we created nothing from the three arseholes in midfield and left our striker (who needs a few chances to actually score) wandering around looking frustrated and isolated.

It's early and Dick has a shit squad to rebuild fair enough but he fucked the dog last night by dropping Ozil. And if it is a case that he let's his ego dictate stuff like that to the detriment of the team then we might not be much better off than we were under Shit For Brains Arsene.

Harsh? Maybe. But how the fuck else can anyone explain persisting with 3 of the shittest players currently stealing a living in modern football?

[rodders999]

Saw this on twatter -

Mesut Ozil, our top earning and arguably most talented player has started 11 of our 26 games in all competitions this season and just one away game since 15 September.


That’s a fucking damning stat and let’s you know whatever shit has gone done happened a long time before last night.

[1989]

It's a falling out simple as that. It ain't because of the agenda bullshit of "he doesn't press" or "he doesn't run around enough for our system" because we do not play a pressing system and anyone that thinks we do is a fucking idiot that has never actually seen a pressing system.

Dick has let his personal thing with Ozil cloud his judgement. He has put his own ego ahead of the good of the team and that is fucking worrying tbh.

Last night he dropped the ONLY player we have that can open up defences with crisp intelligent passes and played a fat bloke that wobbles around like a retarded bobble head, a bloke that failed at manure and has been worse for us, and a fucking self obsessed glory hunting idiot that cannot do the simple things without always putting his own glory ahead of the team by fucking poisoning every move with needless backheels and flicks. Three players that cannot retain possession, that do not create chances for the striker, and that are all fucking gash.

That type of childish decision making is Wengeresque tbh. And that is also worrying.

Tactical? That was tactical last night in the way Wenger dropping AA23 for the chav semi whilst he was in a rich vein of form was fucking tactical.

Make no mistakes that scum team last night were very beatable but we created nothing from the three arseholes in midfield and left our striker (who needs a few chances to actually score) wandering around looking frustrated and isolated.

It's early and Dick has a shit squad to rebuild fair enough but he fucked the dog last night by dropping Ozil. And if it is a case that he let's his ego dictate stuff like that to the detriment of the team then we might not be much better off than we were under Shit For Brains Arsene.

Harsh? Maybe. But how the fuck else can anyone explain persisting with 3 of the shittest players currently stealing a living in modern football?

You're really putting Ozil on a pedestal here. Anyone would've thought it was Messi or Neymar who'd been dropped.

Emery doesn't fancy him, it happens. Greater players than Ozil have left their clubs because they didn't fit into a manager's system/way of thinking/etc. Emery's philosophy is based on extreme hard work and it's easy to see why possibly the laziest player we've ever had won't fit into that.

Also, I don't see how Ozil would have made a difference yesterday. For as shit as Iwobi and Mkhi have been, at least they don't hide. Considering it was a big game with it being an NLD, Ozil would have most likely done his usual disappearing act as he always does in games of that nature.

[augie]

It's a falling out simple as that. It ain't because of the agenda bullshit of "he doesn't press" or "he doesn't run around enough for our system" because we do not play a pressing system and anyone that thinks we do is a fucking idiot that has never actually seen a pressing system.

Dick has let his personal thing with Ozil cloud his judgement. He has put his own ego ahead of the good of the team and that is fucking worrying tbh.

Last night he dropped the ONLY player we have that can open up defences with crisp intelligent passes and played a fat bloke that wobbles around like a retarded bobble head, a bloke that failed at manure and has been worse for us, and a fucking self obsessed glory hunting idiot that cannot do the simple things without always putting his own glory ahead of the team by fucking poisoning every move with needless backheels and flicks. Three players that cannot retain possession, that do not create chances for the striker, and that are all fucking gash.

That type of childish decision making is Wengeresque tbh. And that is also worrying.

Tactical? That was tactical last night in the way Wenger dropping AA23 for the chav semi whilst he was in a rich vein of form was fucking tactical.

Make no mistakes that scum team last night were very beatable but we created nothing from the three arseholes in midfield and left our striker (who needs a few chances to actually score) wandering around looking frustrated and isolated.

It's early and Dick has a shit squad to rebuild fair enough but he fucked the dog last night by dropping Ozil. And if it is a case that he let's his ego dictate stuff like that to the detriment of the team then we might not be much better off than we were under Shit For Brains Arsene.

Harsh? Maybe. But how the fuck else can anyone explain persisting with 3 of the shittest players currently stealing a living in modern football?

Lets be honest here and acknowledge a few things -

1. ozil wasnt dropped per se - he came in for the last 20 minutes on sunday, and it was his first appearance in a few weeks.

2. yes he is BY FAR the best creative player we have on his day, but let's be honest here and admit that those days are few and far between for the last 2 seasons. Against leicester he turned in as good a performance as I have seen from an AFC player for a long time, but outside of that I cant think of too many, and I especially cant think of too many big games when he stood up to be counted. As they say in american football, his intangibles (skills) are off the chart on paper, but games are played on grass and he simply does not deliver enough to balance out his frequent awol performances.

3. Just a few weeks ago WE ALL lauded how well the team played against the scum without ozil, and some even suggested that not having him on the pitch helped us with the team set-up on the day - fast forward a few weeks and all of a sudden loads of Gooners are going ape shit at him not being involved last night, and cite it as one of the main reasons why we lost. We won without him previously, and as has been previously said elsewhere, we hit the woodword 3 times last night - if those go in we win the game and there isnt a mention of ozil

4. The comment about dick's ego being the problem I find very harsh - I have watched ozil sulk twice (and bangabang once) this season when subbed even though he was dogshit on the day. For me that is a guy whose own ego is being put above the team - if that reaction is indicitive of how ozil is carrying on behind the scenes, then dick absolutely has to take control and own this situation going forward. We have several young players in this squad and team now who will be watching how ozil is behaving and how much latitude he is given by the manager, and allowing him behave as he likes will send a bad message to young players.

I dont think that you will find even one half intelligent Gooner who wants lard arse and mikki in the team, but as I said on the match thread, playing them is based on a need to have wide players in the system, and if dick played ozil out there he would be hammered. Having no wide alternatives but those two *word censored* is a totally different argument than not playing ozil imo

[Ernie71]

It's a falling out simple as that. It ain't because of the agenda bullshit of "he doesn't press" or "he doesn't run around enough for our system" because we do not play a pressing system and anyone that thinks we do is a fucking idiot that has never actually seen a pressing system.

Dick has let his personal thing with Ozil cloud his judgement. He has put his own ego ahead of the good of the team and that is fucking worrying tbh.

Last night he dropped the ONLY player we have that can open up defences with crisp intelligent passes and played a fat bloke that wobbles around like a retarded bobble head, a bloke that failed at manure and has been worse for us, and a fucking self obsessed glory hunting idiot that cannot do the simple things without always putting his own glory ahead of the team by fucking poisoning every move with needless backheels and flicks. Three players that cannot retain possession, that do not create chances for the striker, and that are all fucking gash.

That type of childish decision making is Wengeresque tbh. And that is also worrying.

Tactical? That was tactical last night in the way Wenger dropping AA23 for the chav semi whilst he was in a rich vein of form was fucking tactical.

Make no mistakes that scum team last night were very beatable but we created nothing from the three arseholes in midfield and left our striker (who needs a few chances to actually score) wandering around looking frustrated and isolated.

It's early and Dick has a shit squad to rebuild fair enough but he fucked the dog last night by dropping Ozil. And if it is a case that he let's his ego dictate stuff like that to the detriment of the team then we might not be much better off than we were under Shit For Brains Arsene.

Harsh? Maybe. But how the fuck else can anyone explain persisting with 3 of the shittest players currently stealing a living in modern football?

Are you talking about Ozil? He is the most overated player in premier league.We have seen that for 5 years.Yes he has had good games v crap opposition but the games he needs to be judged on are the games v the top 6 teams.Emery is not Wenger he sussed Ozil out very quickly.If Emery had been the manager in January there is no way Ozil would be still at the club. Ozil is paid £100k a week more than KDB David Silva and Hazard does anyone remotely believe he comes anywhere near those three?Not a fucking chance

[Ernie71]

It's a falling out simple as that. It ain't because of the agenda bullshit of "he doesn't press" or "he doesn't run around enough for our system" because we do not play a pressing system and anyone that thinks we do is a fucking idiot that has never actually seen a pressing system.

Dick has let his personal thing with Ozil cloud his judgement. He has put his own ego ahead of the good of the team and that is fucking worrying tbh.

Last night he dropped the ONLY player we have that can open up defences with crisp intelligent passes and played a fat bloke that wobbles around like a retarded bobble head, a bloke that failed at manure and has been worse for us, and a fucking self obsessed glory hunting idiot that cannot do the simple things without always putting his own glory ahead of the team by fucking poisoning every move with needless backheels and flicks. Three players that cannot retain possession, that do not create chances for the striker, and that are all fucking gash.

That type of childish decision making is Wengeresque tbh. And that is also worrying.

Tactical? That was tactical last night in the way Wenger dropping AA23 for the chav semi whilst he was in a rich vein of form was fucking tactical.

Make no mistakes that scum team last night were very beatable but we created nothing from the three arseholes in midfield and left our striker (who needs a few chances to actually score) wandering around looking frustrated and isolated.

It's early and Dick has a shit squad to rebuild fair enough but he fucked the dog last night by dropping Ozil. And if it is a case that he let's his ego dictate stuff like that to the detriment of the team then we might not be much better off than we were under Shit For Brains Arsene.

Harsh? Maybe. But how the fuck else can anyone explain persisting with 3 of the shittest players currently stealing a living in modern football?

Lets be honest here and acknowledge a few things -

1. ozil wasnt dropped per se - he came in for the last 20 minutes on sunday, and it was his first appearance in a few weeks.

2. yes he is BY FAR the best creative player we have on his day, but let's be honest here and admit that those days are few and far between for the last 2 seasons. Against leicester he turned in as good a performance as I have seen from an AFC player for a long time, but outside of that I cant think of too many, and I especially cant think of too many big games when he stood up to be counted. As they say in american football, his intangibles (skills) are off the chart on paper, but games are played on grass and he simply does not deliver enough to balance out his frequent awol performances.

3. Just a few weeks ago WE ALL lauded how well the team played against the scum without ozil, and some even suggested that not having him on the pitch helped us with the team set-up on the day - fast forward a few weeks and all of a sudden loads of Gooners are going ape shit at him not being involved last night, and cite it as one of the main reasons why we lost. We won without him previously, and as has been previously said elsewhere, we hit the woodword 3 times last night - if those go in we win the game and there isnt a mention of ozil

4. The comment about dick's ego being the problem I find very harsh - I have watched ozil sulk twice (and bangabang once) this season when subbed even though he was dogshit on the day. For me that is a guy whose own ego is being put above the team - if that reaction is indicitive of how ozil is carrying on behind the scenes, then dick absolutely has to take control and own this situation going forward. We have several young players in this squad and team now who will be watching how ozil is behaving and how much latitude he is given by the manager, and allowing him behave as he likes will send a bad message to young players.

I dont think that you will find even one half intelligent Gooner who wants lard arse and mikki in the team, but as I said on the match thread, playing them is based on a need to have wide players in the system, and if dick played ozil out there he would be hammered. Having no wide alternatives but those two *word censored* is a totally different argument than not playing ozil imo

A month ago we beat the Scum 4-2 WITHOUT Ozil

Last night the reason we lost was because Ozil didnt play.Do me a favour

Last night was a disappointment but to write off the progress the team has made under Emery is plain stupid.Emery inherited a shit squad he is not going to change things in 5 months.Only 3 players who started last night were Emery players

[The Arsenal Way]

For the contract and salary he is getting......and mainly, he is probably the only world class player that we have in the squad, I believe that Emery should be building his match day team around him.
He may not fire on all cylinders each game.....he may require mollycoddling occasionally but......his stats read better than most in the PL.
We should embrace him, admire him and support him.
If he buggers off to Inter, we will rue the loss. We are a poorer team without him.

[TeeCee]

s. We are a poorer team without him.[/quote

We’ll be 350k a week better off without him!

[SydneyGooner]

This is slowly turning into a Pogba like situation I hope there's some truth to these Inter rumours because as many have said he's an expensive liability.

[DB10GOONER]

The fucking stupidity on here at times is astonishing.

Read the fucking words.

No one said Ozil is the best player in the world. No one said he's Messi (whichever fucking idiot claimed I said that pull your stupid fucking head in).

Here's the facts slowly for the fucking stupid amongst us. He is light years better than Ramsey Comedy Iwobi and Mickey Tarragon.

He would have retained more possession and created more chances for Boomerang than those three clowns did last night.

Not sure which complete fucktard above dragged out the old retarded agenda gem of "he doesn't deliver against the top 6 teams".

One last time for the obviously retarded.... NONE OF OUR PLAYERS HAVE DELIVERED AGAINST THE TOP 6 FOR ABOUT OH 5 OR 6 YEARS AND IN THOSE GAMES OZIL WAS OFTEN STILL OUR BEST PLAYER.

Dick cannot stick with the 3 assclowns in midfield or we are looking at a mid table finish and out of all the cups.

Ozil is not the answer to every question and will not be top class in every game. Anyone can see that. But he is far better than, and will create far more chances than, all 3 shitards from last night put together. Anyone that can't see that (or let's a childish agenda stop them seeing that) needs a swift kick in the bollocks.

Yes I'm still in a bad fucking mood from last night. And to be honest it's a good thing I'm in the gym tonight because I'm going to fucking annihilate that punch bag.

[DB10GOONER]

Augie you are one of the more intelligent posters on here but your wide player comment is a nonsense buddy. Why do we need wide players at the moment? We have no one up front that can aerially dominate a CH and score headers. We also have no wide players that can place or cross a ball. Our wing backs and wide players are all average or complete gash.

It makes no sense to set up as if we have Wrighty or vanjudascunt or Giroud in there looking for crosses when we actually have Boomerang in there who is best getting that simple crisp pass to feet or a yard in behind the defenders.

[augie]

Augie you are one of the more intelligent posters on here but your wide player comment is a nonsense buddy. Why do we need wide players at the moment? We have no one up front that can aerially dominate a CH and score headers. We also have no wide players that can place or cross a ball. Our wing backs and wide players are all average or complete gash.

It makes no sense to set up as if we have Wrighty or vanjudascunt or Giroud in there looking for crosses when we actually have Boomerang in there who is best getting that simple crisp pass to feet or a yard in behind the defenders.

Can I start off by clarifying that what I am saying about needing wide players is my interpretation of what dick is doing, rather than me saying that it is what we should be doing.

Anyway, as you yourself alluded to when you mentioned wrighty, not every good cross has to be a high cross therefore we dont necessarily need a target man type of striker to justify having wingers. When you ask why we need wide players, I would suggest that part of the reason is that we have too many small/flaky ball players who get thrown around like rag dolls in physical contact - in theory (and I am stressing the in theory part), if we have two good wide players it stretches out the opposition defenders and midfielders, but we dont have good widemen and play narrow and thus get crowded out and bullied easily. Sometimes opposition teams have to alter their set-up to counter our wider gameplan, but of course that only works until the opposition realise how totally shit lard arse and mikki are, and they then change their system again confident that the two c.unts wont hurt them in any way