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To be fair to Ozil, the only look he had was Carabao Cup. Anything else was too short of a space for him to do anything. He is still one of the best at what he does albeit losing it a bit in the last few seasons. I know our team is looking good now with Rob, Hec and Tierney coming back but at some point he needs to be given 90 minutes to do his job.
For the better or worse, he is probably the most creative midfielder we have.
That's when he decides to turn up though, he has the tallent (or had it) but he doesn't use it much. He is a passenger now.
Agreed. How many chances does this guy need.
He's been given one since the start of the season and last season he played (if memory serves right) 23, scoring 5.
Agreed that he does look fed up when he loses the ball and tracking isn't his forte. Ozil in the team makes the team more attractive, that's where the point is. Give him his n10 role and he will create chances for Pepe, Auba and Laca.
You can't have "tracking isn't his forte" in this day and age and let's be honest tracking isn't even in his vocabulary. If we had a midfield good enough to accommodate Ozil floating about then yes stick him in but the fact is our midfield is often average at best and includes Xhaka too so Ozil just becomes a step too far imo.
And that is the madness that is modern Arsenal. Ozil on his worst day contributes more than Xhakatard on his best day and is a million times the player. Ozil creates more than Xhakatard, loses posession less often, scores more, gives away less stupid free kicks and pennos, and yet Xhakatard is first name on the team sheet and is now captain to boot.
That's when he decides to turn up though, he has the tallent (or had it) but he doesn't use it much. He is a passenger now.
Agreed. How many chances does this guy need.
He's been given one since the start of the season and last season he played (if memory serves right) 23, scoring 5.
Agreed that he does look fed up when he loses the ball and tracking isn't his forte. Ozil in the team makes the team more attractive, that's where the point is. Give him his n10 role and he will create chances for Pepe, Auba and Laca.
You can't have "tracking isn't his forte" in this day and age and let's be honest tracking isn't even in his vocabulary. If we had a midfield good enough to accommodate Ozil floating about then yes stick him in but the fact is our midfield is often average at best and includes Xhaka too so Ozil just becomes a step too far imo.
And that is the madness that is modern Arsenal. Ozil on his worst day contributes more than Xhakatard on his best day and is a million times the player. Ozil creates more than Xhakatard, loses posession less often, scores more, gives away less stupid free kicks and pennos, and yet Xhakatard is first name on the team sheet and is now captain to boot.
No argument and which brings us back to the way the money is being spent. Surely if we can find a winger on tick then if we tried really hard we could buy a decent midfielder or two on tick instead who are solid enough to allow Ozil to play his way.
I watched Leicester v Geordies yesterday and was impressed by Ndidi who was aware to every threat and didn't get caught out very often. By comparison the lack of awareness in our midfield is stunning.
if emery doesn't think Ozil has the right work ethic or simply doesn't rate him as a player, why make him one of your captains?
how can he start away at Watford, play in the league cup, "rested" for Frankfurt, unused sub against villa and not in the squad against United?
none of it makes sense. we'll never get the best of Ozil or even get him match fit again if we keep fucking about with him in this way.
it looks to me like emery is trying to force Ozil out in January... but again, if that's true, why is he a captain?
mental. and it's this muddled thinking that I associate with emery now. just like the sporadic playing out from the back and high pressing style that seems in and out of fashion at Arsenal from one game (or half) to the next!
if emery doesn't think Ozil has the right work ethic or simply doesn't rate him as a player, why make him one of your captains?
how can he start away at Watford, play in the league cup, "rested" for Frankfurt, unused sub against villa and not in the squad against United?
none of it makes sense. we'll never get the best of Ozil or even get him match fit again if we keep fucking about with him in this way.
it looks to me like emery is trying to force Ozil out in January... but again, if that's true, why is he a captain?
mental. and it's this muddled thinking that I associate with emery now. just like the sporadic playing out from the back and high pressing style that seems in and out of fashion at Arsenal from one game (or half) to the next!
Great post g88ner. Agree with every word. It would be one thing if Ozil was on 80k a week but we are literally pissing away 350k a week here. Either build the team around what he can do or get rid. And tbh I think he's past his best so get rid might be the best option..... but only after Xhakatard has been resigned to the Palace reserves where he belongs.
Ozil is just done and needs to go, no way back for him now, we can use his wages to get somebody who wants to be at the club in January. BTW the site went down last night anybody else have that?
I think Emery is freezing him out but I don't think Ozil gives a flying fuck ,he's recently married so the more time he has off to spend time with his new wife the better .
He can't go to Germany he isn't wanted in Spain or Italy and he's rich enough not to need to try China why should he bother doing anything ??? He's comfy right here in sunny England so unless the wife wants to go back to Turkey and earn 50 k per week he isn't going anywhere !
It would have made sense if the club hired the moped riders in a bid to make him uncomfortable and want to leave but as we know they are incapable of thinking outside the box and all Ozil is interested in is ploughing the box of his new wife !
We are and he is getting well fucked !
none of it makes sense. we'll never get the best of Ozil or even get him match fit again if we keep fucking about with him in this way.
You are right it doesn't make sense. Even going back to the old manager's last season he was in and out and seemingly playing when he wants.
Fast forward and the situation is still the same. A great talent but doesn't seem to produce in his increasingly rare appearances and a real drain on our resources.
Wouldn't surprise me with our old staff, that he is probably on a huge bonus everytime he plays so that is why he rarely plays. Baffling.
Asked what Ozil has to do to get back in the side, Emery replied: ‘Continue working. ‘Tomorrow we have training, tomorrow we have training with the players who didn’t play. ‘And Sunday we have another match and we are going to decide the same, the first eleven possible. ‘Our target is to win on Sunday and adapt to the difficulty of Bournemouth and carry on in the same way in each match.’
Nope
Ozil is Fit as he wants to be!
He just has to show no.10 Quality again to get back in the side,
Emery's english is still developing, I'm guessing he meant to say 'The BEST first eleven possible.'
no.59 Willock did more in 18mins than no.10 Ozil did in the UEL Final last year...
Last year we were all like ..WTF is Joe Willock????.....not just him but ALL the youths, showing fight & grit. hard work.
Ozil has to step up as a wise old SHARP & QUICK experienced passer if he can't dribble or move into the box anymore in the Ever Improving EPL.
He can do it, but Emery wants to see the effort in Training 1st. Otherwise he's happy to take 350Mil to play Fortnite till January or the Summer!
Ozil is not the type of player that can go 100% during a full season. So as a manager you must know, when and how to use him, when he is in *low energy* mode.
The problem is: Emery is an average or below average manager. He has no clue, how to get the best out of Ozil. He can only manage players, that would even perform without any COACHing.
Just compare him with Klopp, who makes his players believe in him. He turns average players into matchwinners. He backs his p!ayers as long as they are in his team (just to replace them, when he gets someone better for the same position).
Emery is stupid. He fights his own players and then expects something magic to happen to let them perform.
We might be wasting money on Ozil, but the real wasted money is what we pay for Emery and the damage he is creating for Arsenal.
Surely everyone on both sides of the debate can agree that we would be better with 300k off the wage bill (even without a transfer fee) than having him outside of the matches squad?
If it’s true that Ozil is addicted to computer games, particularly Fortnite, then that’s the reason right there. Ozil probably isn’t sleeping or eating well because he’s always online playing. I’ve played call of Duty enough times back in the day to know when you’re spending hours in front of the screen, it fucks you up!!
Ozil doesn’t care, if football ended for him tomorrow I seriously don’t think he would be bothered one bit. His attitude stinks and has done for years now.
Ozil is not the type of player that can go 100% during a full season. So as a manager you must know, when and how to use him, when he is in *low energy* mode.
The problem is: Emery is an average or below average manager. He has no clue, how to get the best out of Ozil. He can only manage players, that would even perform without any COACHing.
Just compare him with Klopp, who makes his players believe in him. He turns average players into matchwinners. He backs his p!ayers as long as they are in his team (just to replace them, when he gets someone better for the same position).
Emery is stupid. He fights his own players and then expects something magic to happen to let them perform.
We might be wasting money on Ozil, but the real wasted money is what we pay for Emery and the damage he is creating for Arsenal.
Ozil isnt a player that can go 100pct on 1 game let alone a season.
Surely everyone on both sides of the debate can agree that we would be better with 300k off the wage bill (even without a transfer fee) than having him outside of the matches squad?
I'm not sure that there is another side to the debate anymore
I said we should give him away during this summer but that still meant finding a club stupid enough to cover his wages which is nigh on impossible. He will be down to his last season next year so hopefully somebody might come in for him but we'll have to forget about getting a fee and just take the wages saving of £18M. Terrible bit of business by TOF.
Ozil is not the type of player that can go 100% during a full season. So as a manager you must know, when and how to use him, when he is in *low energy* mode.
How can he be in "low energy mode" when he has barely played this season? We are only asking him to play 90 minutes a week FFS.
and it's this muddled thinking that I associate with emery now. just like the sporadic playing out from the back and high pressing style that seems in and out of fashion at Arsenal from one game (or half) to the next!
