Unai Emery

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby goonersid » Thu May 30, 2019 12:23 pm

Oh and his only foray into the the transfer was to plump for Denis fucking Suarez :oops:
Would have bought him too had he been given the money.!
Still those on here who trust him with our limited budget

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Sean » Thu May 30, 2019 3:05 pm

Further to my post in the match thread at full time, our limp-dick collapse this season and the performance last night has seriously undermined Dick's credibility. He should never have played Cech, regardless of his taking a job with the Chavs next season.

While I recognise that there is a depressing familiarity with the lack of defending and our dropping of crucial points, I'd give Dick another season. Sadly, last night means he definitely won't get a serious transfer budget this summer. He was left an overpaid over-coddled and unbalanced squad by the previous manager, but the lack of defensive discipline and repetitive mistakes are showing that the players or the manager aren't doing their jobs properly. We had hoped that Dick would at least coach them to be defensively responsible, while Aubameyang and Lacazette score the goals.

Having been against the previous manager for many years, I am wary of turning on Dick too soon. He needs a proper chance and one season is too soon to write him off totally. As has been said, you can't polish a turd. It's a shame to see so many turning on Dick now, but if the shoe fits...

His shit attitude and work-rate not withstanding, Ozil's wages are blocking us from signing 2-3 decent players and giving a chance to rebuild our awful defence and to replace those fucking idiots Mustafi and Xhaka. It's a shame that Ramsey is leaving on a free, however much he frustrated us with his Hollywood flicks and tricks and lack of positional discipline, we could have done with him next season.

The main problem is the Syrup and his total lack of interest and investment. Usmanov selling up was a disaster. The old guard led by Hill-Wood definitely fucked this club, by freezing Usmanov out and letting the Syrup in and by letting the previously manager stay in post past 2011, squandering the money on his insane 'socialist wage structure', which means we've pissed the football profits and Cashburton income up the wall. It doesn't bode well for the club, or anyone who succeeds Dick. If there are to be protests again, let me know.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby OneBardGooner » Thu May 30, 2019 3:10 pm

Further to my post in the match thread at full time, our limp-dick collapse this season and the performance last night has seriously undermined Dick's credibility. He should never have played Cech, regardless of his taking a job with the Chavs next season.

While I recognise that there is a depressing familiarity with the lack of defending and our dropping of crucial points, I'd give Dick another season. Sadly, last night means he definitely won't get a serious transfer budget this summer. He was left an overpaid over-coddled and unbalanced squad by the previous manager, but the lack of defensive discipline and repetitive mistakes are showing that the players or the manager aren't doing their jobs properly. We had hoped that Dick would at least coach them to be defensively responsible, while Aubameyang and Lacazette score the goals.

Having been against the previous manager for many years, I am wary of turning on Dick too soon. He needs a proper chance and one season is too soon to write him off totally. As has been said, you can't polish a turd. It's a shame to see so many turning on Dick now, but if the shoe fits...

His shit attitude and work-rate not withstanding, Ozil's wages are blocking us from signing 2-3 decent players and giving a chance to rebuild our awful defence and to replace those fucking idiots Mustafi and Xhaka. It's a shame that Ramsey is leaving on a free, however much he frustrated us with his Hollywood flicks and tricks and lack of positional discipline, we could have done with him next season.

The main problem is the Syrup and his total lack of interest and investment. Usmanov selling up was a disaster. The old guard led by Hill-Wood definitely fucked this club, by freezing Usmanov out and letting the Syrup in and by letting the previously manager stay in post past 2011, squandering the money on his insane 'socialist wage structure', which means we've pissed the football profits and Cashburton income up the wall. It doesn't bode well for the club, or anyone who succeeds Dick. If there are to be protests again, let me know.
Glad to see you around Sean, just wish it were under better/happier circumstances.

I put this on Sid's Emery Poll Thread, but it's just as apt here...

Besides asking the 2 questions, there should also be an option available of who, if voting to sack Emery should be brought in as a replacement.

Even though it looks like Allegri will be available, would he be willing to come to a club whose owner isn't interested in investing enough money to enable the manager (whomever that might be) to buy the players we need and off-load the dead wood.

It is Kroenke (Snr and Jnr) who are the problem, but there is no way we can get them out. Usmanov sadly was our last chance of someone rich enough to both get rid of wiggy AND still have enough to bank-roll the changes we need, he tried to buy out Kroenke but AFC is a money making machine as far as the wig-wearer is concerned, so any chance of ousting him evaporated long ago when Usmanov sold his 30% to wiggy.

That was our death knell for the foreseeable future unless wiggy has a change of mind which I just don't see happening because he is profit first investment to make profit And success second.

The Global financial markets & systems changed and as part of that so did Football as a sport and was swallowed and so became Pure Business we; as are other teams/clubs are victims of that.

It could be said that the blame goes back to 2011 when Nina Bracewell-smith, Danny Fizman, P. Hill-Wood and the other board members sold their shares to him. All they saw was the Dollar signs, whether they knew he would be the kind of owner he turned out to be is anyone's guess, but the signs were there for all to see, in the way he ran his other sports franchises in USofA.


It is all BAD news as far as I am concerned, wiggy (aka: Arsenal Holdings plc) isn't going to do anything that messes with his steady Annual profit from AFC, even IF he did give Emery or whomever is manager enough money to buy the players we need (6 - 7 players at least) to realistically compete for the title and CL, it would then be some time before that out-lay showed returns in terms of trophies/title/CL and so the profit that does come from such success.

We are Fucked and only by having a manager in place who is willing to run a relatively successful team on a very limited budget will we stand a chance of once more securing a Top 4 place on an annual/regular basis.

Maybe Emery isn't that manager - he deserves one more year/season. Again as to who would or could replace him and operate under the above limitations narrows our choices and so our chances even further.


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Re: Unai Emery

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby OneBardGooner » Thu May 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

As of 26 September 2018, Stan Kroenke, owner of Kroenke Sports Enterprises (KSE), is the sole owner of the club.

Kroenke's holdings in the club began with an initial 9.9% bought from ITV plc in April 2007;[15] initially treated with hostility, he is now regarded as an ally of the Arsenal board and was appointed a non-executive director of the club in September 2008.

[16] Kroenke brought his stake in the club up to 20.5% following a purchase of shares from fellow director Danny Fiszman.[17] On 1 May 2009, Arsenal announced that Kroenke had bought a further 4,839 shares from the Carr family, including Richard Carr, also a director, which made him the largest shareholder of the company with 28.3%.[18] On November the same year, this increased to the maximum 29.9% limit.[19]

A rival bid for the club came from Red & White Holdings, which was co-owned by Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov and London-based financier Farhad Moshiri.[2] Red & White bought the stake held by former Arsenal vice-chairman David Dein, as well as stakes owned by Lansdowne and many other minor shareholders, and as of September 2011 own 18,204 shares (29.25%) of the club. This is the largest single stake owned by a non-board member. This led to press speculation of a bidding war between Kroenke and Usmanov.[2] However, Kroenke agreed not to purchase more than 29.9% of the club until at least September 2009,[16] while the rest of the board agreed not to consider a sale of their shares to "non-permitted persons" until at least April 2009, and had first option on each other's shares until October 2012.[20]

In April 2011, Kroenke extended his ownership of the club by purchasing the shareholdings of Nina Bracewell-Smith (15.9%), Danny Fiszman (16.11%) and other directors of the Arsenal board, taking his shareholding to 66.64%. Under the Takeover Code, Kroenke, as majority shareholder, was obliged to make an offer for the remaining shares in the club, which would include those owned by Red & White Holdings as well as any stakes held by the remaining minority shareholders of the club;[1] these include those owned by former players as well as three shares owned by the Arsenal Supporters' Trust.[21] Kroenke moved forward with this in August 2018 by purchasing Usmanov's stake

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Sean » Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 pm

Glad to see you around Sean, just wish it were under better/happier circumstances.

I put this on Sid's Emery Poll Thread, but it's just as apt here...

Besides asking the 2 questions, there should also be an option available of who, if voting to sack Emery should be brought in as a replacement.

Even though it looks like Allegri will be available, would he be willing to come to a club whose owner isn't interested in investing enough money to enable the manager (whomever that might be) to buy the players we need and off-load the dead wood.

It is Kroenke (Snr and Jnr) who are the problem, but there is no way we can get them out. Usmanov sadly was our last chance of someone rich enough to both get rid of wiggy AND still have enough to bank-roll the changes we need, he tried to buy out Kroenke but AFC is a money making machine as far as the wig-wearer is concerned, so any chance of ousting him evaporated long ago when Usmanov sold his 30% to wiggy.

That was our death knell for the foreseeable future unless wiggy has a change of mind which I just don't see happening because he is profit first investment to make profit And success second.

The Global financial markets & systems changed and as part of that so did Football as a sport and was swallowed and so became Pure Business we; as are other teams/clubs are victims of that.

It could be said that the blame goes back to 2011 when Nina Bracewell-smith, Danny Fizman, P. Hill-Wood and the other board members sold their shares to him. All they saw was the Dollar signs, whether they knew he would be the kind of owner he turned out to be is anyone's guess, but the signs were there for all to see, in the way he ran his other sports franchises in USofA.


It is all BAD news as far as I am concerned, wiggy (aka: Arsenal Holdings plc) isn't going to do anything that messes with his steady Annual profit from AFC, even IF he did give Emery or whomever is manager enough money to buy the players we need (6 - 7 players at least) to realistically compete for the title and CL, it would then be some time before that out-lay showed returns in terms of trophies/title/CL and so the profit that does come from such success.

We are Fucked and only by having a manager in place who is willing to run a relatively successful team on a very limited budget will we stand a chance of once more securing a Top 4 place on an annual/regular basis.

Maybe Emery isn't that manager - he deserves one more year/season. Again as to who would or could replace him and operate under the above limitations narrows our choices and so our chances even further.


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Nice you see you too, OBG mate. Hope you're hanging in there :barscarf: :cheers:

Good post. Sadly, the Syrup being in total charge will hamstring our club for as long as he is here, which could be another 20 years until he dies, we can only hope his puppet son has more and better ideas than making TH14 the head coach. Ironically, it may have been him that gave Daddy the push to finally sack the previous manager after his 'fact-finding mission' last spring. Still, if fans think the penny-pinching was bad under TOF, they've seen nothing yet. No top manager will want the job here due to the ridiculous budget constraints, despite our being part of the richest league in the world.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby DB10GOONER » Thu May 30, 2019 4:10 pm

So this season we’ve conceded 3 away at Chelsea, 3 away at Southampton, 5 away at Liverpool, 3 at home to United (Cup), 3 away at City, 3 away at Rennes (Europa), 3 at home to Palace, 3 away at Wolves, 3 away at Leicester and 4 in the game last night.

Get away ta fuck. And that’s all after the addition of supposed defensive reinforcements last Summer and a manager who’d bring a game plan to consign constant shit shows like that to the banter era.
It’s hard to fathom that we are probably in a worse place right now than at anytime under Wenger, at least there was the hope no matter how small, that maybe he could rekindle that flame and amid all the shite we managed to win the odd trophy and until almost the end , managed to stay ahead of the spuds!
Now I honestly believe we have a manager who is more clueless than Wenger was!
Don’t get me wrong I’m glad Wengers gone, but I’m dreading next season under Emery more than any under Wenger!
Whilst, truth be told I don’t really care that much anymore, it would be nice to atleast enjoy football again, without it being all consuming!
I reckon (without the luckiest unbeaten run in football history) we will be in such a mess by Christmas that Kroenke will have no option other than to sack Emery, but the damage will have been done and once again we will be waiting for the following season
Sorry sid but that is absolute fucking horseshit. :lol:

You were crying like a lesbian with a sore tongue on here for the last decade ffs. Are you really trying to tell me this is worse than anytime in that decade? Worse than the regular 5 and 6 nil tonkings? Worse than the Barca and Bayern humiliations? Worse than the Brum final? Worse than the constant fucking insulting philosophising from Wenger? :roll:

Get the fucking fuck out of here for fucking fucks sake. :lol:

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby DB10GOONER » Thu May 30, 2019 4:13 pm

WORSE THAN THE FUCKING SITE OF THE BIGGEST DONKEY ARSEHOLE ON PLANET EARTH BENDTNER PLAYING AS A FUCKING WINGER?

WORSE THAN FUCKING COMEDY FUCKING EBOUE?

FUCKING FUCK OFF. :cussing: :lol:

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby goonersid » Thu May 30, 2019 4:18 pm

WORSE THAN THE FUCKING SITE OF THE BIGGEST DONKEY ARSEHOLE ON PLANET EARTH BENDTNER PLAYING AS A FUCKING WINGER?

WORSE THAN FUCKING COMEDY FUCKING EBOUE?

FUCKING FUCK OFF. :cussing: :lol:
It’s no better!

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Gunnersaurus » Thu May 30, 2019 5:36 pm

It's not going to be better until he's allowed to rip up the squad, so far he's had one window when Sven got in some players and was blocked in the second window when he was asking for defenders after Bellerin & Holding got injured, the defence was weak with those two in, it had no chance with them out.

I like Emery but the job is impossible, Wenger built such a weak minded squad with zero mental strength, this got exposed again last night, I think he's done well to get thos squad as close as he did, granted he messed up big time against Palace but even then, it was all individual errors that cost us that game and when we are playing every 3 days he has no choice but to rotate, problem is the squad is not strong enough to rotate, if he's not backed properly this Summer he should walk, this is not his mess but is trying to clean it up.

This season the new signings, Leno, Sokraris, Torreria & Guendouzi (at times) have been better than the shit he inherited, until he can move them on he has no chance of turning this around.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Thu May 30, 2019 6:34 pm

So we reach the end of Emery's first season in charge - the first of two that I was always going to give him to get to grips with that job and I see nothing to suggest that I should change from that viewpoint.

It would be foolish to say the end of the season has been anything other than disappointing, culminating in that shambles last night, and I'm not going to stand here and say the manager is exempt from criticism. Should he have us defending better by now? Yes, absolutely. Has he been given the tools to do the job? Absolutely not in my view. Would someone else have done massively better? We will never know but I would suggest on the evidence of Klopp, Pep and Podgie's first seasons that even the best of managers would have struggled to do significantly better with this squad and this budget

The pressing style and energy of the team is way way up on Wenger's level. In the first half yesterday we showed the sort of stuff we have shown in patches throughout the season and its clear to me that Emery's way is streets ahead of the senile old fart's. However, the mental fragility that has been building for a decade still hasn't been erased and nor will it whilst the squad still contains the likes of Koscielny, Monreal, Ramsey, Ozil etc - none of whom are terrible players in their own right, but who have been part of a losers culture of failure for several years. I hate the helmet headed Chav c.unt with a passion but his comments over the past week about Wenger's Arsenal sum it all up. In my opinion the trend with Wenger was going one way, and we'd have finished back in 6th or 7th under him this season. So, Emery has made some improvements for me but all the while the Wenger spine infiltrates the team, that same mental fragility when we go 1-0 down in big games will rise to the surface and so it has proved

He will now be rid of Ramsey and possibly those other 3 big earners and a stack of fringe players like Elneny, Jenkinson etc who have cluttered the wage bill together with the retiring Chav helmet head. He now has to do what I believe he was brought in to do......and by the way what he managed very successfully with both Valencia and Sevilla i.e. work a limited budget to its maximum.

I still maintain that we won't see a true Emery team until 18-24 months into his reign with 3 or 4 transfer windows, and a couple of pre seasons to instill a new mental attitude into a new team

In my own professional career in a completely different industry I have seen it, and done it myself, several times over. Six years ago I took on a director role in a failing company managing a team of 24 people. In the first year, I made around six changes and by the end of the first year, the basics were coming together but in way could i say it was a team I was proud of, or my own. Five years on and only 5 of that original 24 remain and it is now a top performing team within its industry. I'd have been horrified if after 12 months I was being judged on something that i made clear from the outset would take significantly longer to be a team to be proud of. Lets see what the guy does this Summer - he has another season outside the CL, which for me is a blessing in disguise - and this time next year if we are still conceding 4 or 5 goals regularly in big games, and see no improvement in our points/cup tally and no change in mental attitude......then I will say that 2 years is long enough to at least expect that.

Meanwhile if anyone knows of the Mystery Man who can lead us to overhaul City and Liverpool and dominate Europe on the alleged budget of £40m next season, then please send their name directly to Wiggy and Sons !

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby LeftfootlegendGooner » Thu May 30, 2019 6:51 pm

Anybody who thinks this guy is the answer knows absolutely nothing about football.

And please don't start spouting fuckin stats about us being a place higher and a couple more fuckin points (as the regular post mover did on a reply to one of my posts, the same guy who dismisses stats :roll: ) better off.

Manure have been utter gash, chavs too and the spuds have lost how many games :roll:

Wenger would have finished above them easily.

Everyone on here knows that our 21 unbeaten run was the luckiest in history ffs.

Add to that the rest of the league has been worse than gash and you get my point.

But as no one has answered me convingly the main reason dick has been proven a mistake is he brought in 6 players, one he didn't even think good enough to play :shock: and others that have been raved about on here YET we are still shit.

You could give this guy 5 more seasons but you'd only see us regress.

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Thu May 30, 2019 7:10 pm

Anybody who thinks this guy is the answer knows absolutely nothing about football.

And please don't start spouting fuckin stats about us being a place higher and a couple more fuckin points (as the regular post mover did on a reply to one of my posts, the same guy who dismisses stats :roll: ) better off.

Manure have been utter gash, chavs too and the spuds have lost how many games :roll:

Wenger would have finished above them easily.

Everyone on here knows that our 21 unbeaten run was the luckiest in history ffs.

Add to that the rest of the league has been worse than gash and you get my point.

But as no one has answered me convingly the main reason dick has been proven a mistake is he brought in 6 players, one he didn't even think good enough to play :shock: and others that have been raved about on here YET we are still shit.

You could give this guy 5 more seasons but you'd only see us regress.
Only time will tell mate, and I understand the frustration. I'm not sure how you can say Wenger would have finished above them easily though - there was absolutely no evidence in Wenger's team from the previous season that we were on any sort of upward trajectory. The away form was even worse than it has been this season and we almost went the whole of the second half of the season without a single away win until Huddersfield obliged his hero worship session on the final day. Of the players Dick brought in, I wouldn't rave about any of them in the 'world class' category but I do think Leno has shown enough to be a significant upgrade on any Wenger keeper probably since Mad Jens (the first time round).

Lichsteiner and Suarez have both been a total waste of time and effort but ultimately have cost us little other than wages and the first one was a punt (the sort of punt Wenger took on Silvestre as it turns out!)

Torreira - for a 22 year old coming from a totally different league and background and straight from a World Cup - I think on balance has been a decent signing. Time will tell how far he can progress and he definitely faded as the season wore on, but on balance good value for money I would say

Sokratis....hmm. At times I think he has been our best defender, at other times one of our worst. Personally thought he and Holding were starting to look the part together but since he got crocked and Dick has chopped every week between back three and back four (for me one of his biggest mistakes to date) he has looked more unsettled. I'd like to see him with a regular partner(s) before I write him off though

Guendouzi - similar to Torreira but even younger. In the first part of the season I thought he put some of our senior pros to shame. However, he is raw and should never have been exposed to the number of games he has this season......but such is the paucity of our squad which is filled with Wenger also rans like Elneny, he has had to do too much. Next season I would want to see him limited to a max of 20 games with more experience and steel around him

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby SteveO 35 » Thu May 30, 2019 7:20 pm

One thing I would like to see Emery do more of next season is integrate some of our youth players - for me Nelson and Smith Rowe have shown enough in glimpses to suggest they should be featuring in the first team and not farmed out on loan again. Chambers won player of the season at Fulham and is now approaching his mid 20s - time to make your mind up - play him or sell him.

The great Arsenal sides of the past have featured at least a couple of home grown talents. To see only 1 out on the field last night was disappointing. If we've got a limited budget then lets see Maitland Niles, Smith Rowe, Willock and Nelson integrated into the team. We don't have 60m to spend on a single player in any of their positions, so the worst option for me would be to buy cheap bric-a-brac shite like Elneny for a fraction of that, and farm these kids out on loan.

I'm not claiming they will be the next Thomas, Rocastle or Adams.....but I do think its a shame we don't give them more of a chance.

For all the dosh the Mickeys have spent they have bought or developed young British talent like Robertson and Alexander Arnold who are now established internationals playing in one of the top teams in Europe. I'm sure there was a temptation to spend money on imports instead

We used to have a great production line. Our kids are winning trophies - trust some of them before we waste money on loan rubbish like Suarez, old has beens like Lichsteiner or never will be's like Elneny

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Re: Unai Emery

Postby Jock Gooner » Thu May 30, 2019 7:37 pm

Anybody who thinks this guy is the answer knows absolutely nothing about football.

And please don't start spouting fuckin stats about us being a place higher and a couple more fuckin points (as the regular post mover did on a reply to one of my posts, the same guy who dismisses stats :roll: ) better off.

Manure have been utter gash, chavs too and the spuds have lost how many games :roll:

Wenger would have finished above them easily.

Everyone on here knows that our 21 unbeaten run was the luckiest in history ffs.

Add to that the rest of the league has been worse than gash and you get my point.

But as no one has answered me convingly the main reason dick has been proven a mistake is he brought in 6 players, one he didn't even think good enough to play :shock: and others that have been raved about on here YET we are still shit.

You could give this guy 5 more seasons but you'd only see us regress.

It's no so much whether Dick is the answer rather that we can't afford the answer anymore.

Quite agree that the stats don't matter a fuck but I'm not convinced that TOF would have got top 4 either. Would TOF have given Laca enough time to show that he can do it - I'm not sure. We would now be paying Ramsey £200k per week for the next 3 or 4 years - most certainly. Would any of that have made any difference - who knows. We do know that we still have a team which is quite capable of folding at the drop of a hat and Dick hasn't been able to solve that.

What it does come down to is who to sell to raise enough money to plug the many gaps and there are only 3 players (bellend / Laca / Auba) who would raise serious money to add to the £40M. If we are to prevent the impending downward spiral then 2 of them may well have to go . Then who do you trust to spend the money wisely to get the most out of it. There is no second chance here, we need to get the next bit right. TOF pissed a ridiculous amount of money away through moronic tranfers and contracts and while wiggy is guilty of not understanding what was going on he certainly won't be doing anything to improve matters. For Sanchez and Ramsey we should have had £100M not fucking Mhiki. I don't think that I do trust Dick with £120 - £140M and a rebuilding project in this country....maybe in Spain he could do a job, here I'm just not so sure.


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