Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[Clash]

If its fair for people to say Arteta needs a few games ... can we also say it is equally fair not to say there are signs of improvement after seeing just 1 game - which happened to be against a crock of shit like Bournemouth?

[northbank123]

Augie I couldn’t have been clearer in my feelings on Xhaka, but who starts ahead of Ozil? Willock and Smith-Rowe are nowhere near good enough, certainly at this point.

If it was feasible to offload Ozil in January then maybe pushing him towards the door outweighs that, but no matter how hard we try he isn’t going anywhere next month so we might as well use him.

[augie]

Is it too late to approach nigel pearson ?

[Redarmy]

Arteta is the Arsenal Manager if he manages to pull this around he will deserve a statue...

[OneBardGooner]

Arteta is the Arsenal Manager if he manages to pull this around he will deserve a statue...

I am very hopeful that he will.

[augie]

Arteta is the Arsenal Manager if he manages to pull this around he will deserve a statue...

To do that, he needs to realise very quickly that no turnaround will be achieved with xhaka and ozil still in the team and club

[SteveO 35]

Mediocre display against a Bournemouth team who are losing to everyone

45 minutes fight against Chelsea, followed by 45 minutes of insipid shit where we barely crossed the halfway line

As expected, trying to play Man City style football with a team more suited to Stoke City football.

Awful. Wrong man. Disasterous appointment and will finish below where Emery left us. Lampard spotted after 35 minutes they were getting schooled and made one key game changing sub. We were getting outpowered throughout the second half and Arteta did fuck all until it was too late. All the momentum gone.

Lampard 1 The Super Coach 0. Lets see tactical 'genius' Solskjaer give Pep's cone man another schooling on New Years Day

[SteveO 35]

Arteta - played 2, drawn 1, lost 1
Ancelotti - played 2, won 2

[northbank123]

Needs to learn to use substitutes.

Anybody with half a brain could see Lacazette was contributing fuck all - he left him on and sure enough he let us down. Should never have been beaten to the ball and then rather then grafting he took the lazy route out and gave away the ball.

Likewise Saka couldn’t run for the last half hour - if he wasn’t limping he would probably have got a foot in for the second goal.

[augie]

Needs to learn to use substitutes.

Anybody with half a brain could see Lacazette was contributing fuck all - he left him on and sure enough he let us down. Should never have been beaten to the ball and then rather then grafting he took the lazy route out and gave away the ball.

Likewise Saka couldn’t run for the last half hour - if he wasn’t limping he would probably have got a foot in for the second goal.

Only problem with that is the lack of options on the bench - if martinelli is there then you bring him on and move auba central, but we have a woeful sparsity of talent on the bench

[northbank123]

Agreed mate that there weren’t great options. I would also have had reservations about moving Aubameyang up front as he put in a class shift defensively.

However, both of those players were incapable of contributing anything positive. If Lacazette wasn’t chasing down but was still holding the ball up that would be one thing, but he just wasn’t. He was useless. Pepe up front would have chased balls down and stretched the defence with his pace. Anybody else at left back would have been able to run at more than 70% capacity.

Although I thought we were a bit too negative, we were containing them quite comfortably and had a good tactic of being narrow and forcing them to play out wide where they didn’t cause many problems. But it was blindingly obvious that we needed fresh legs.

[northbank123]

Cards on the table - we can’t defend for shit and we are incredibly spineless under any sort of pressure. Until we sort out both of those things, Arsenal Football Club will go nowhere. No amount of fast pressing or counter-attacking football will change that.

Is Arteta the bloke to sort those two things out? Absolutely not for me, even if he does some other things well.

A boring appointment like Ancelotti would have guaranteed leaving us in a better position in May 2022. Then our surprisingly good crop of young players would be prime to kick on with a better platform and more experience - that’s the time to go for an exciting appointment.

However, having your own Twitter account is proper an essential criterion for us.

I will give Arteta time but will need a great deal of convincing.

[markyp]

Cards on the table - we can’t defend for shit and we are incredibly spineless under any sort of pressure. Until we sort out both of those things, Arsenal Football Club will go nowhere. No amount of fast pressing or counter-attacking football will change that.

Is Arteta the bloke to sort those two things out? Absolutely not for me, even if he does some other things well.

A boring appointment like Ancelotti would have guaranteed leaving us in a better position in May 2022. Then our surprisingly good crop of young players would be prime to kick on with a better platform and more experience - that’s the time to go for an exciting appointment.

However, having your own Twitter account is proper an essential criterion for us.

I will give Arteta time but will need a great deal of convincing.

And sadly we dont have time

[CloakedGooner]

Meet the new guy. Same as the old guy

[rodders999]

Saka, Mustafi, Luiz, AMN

Fucking hell lads that’s worse than the defence that went to OT and shipped 8.

Add a goalkeeping howler to the mix and you’ve a recipe for disaster right there.

Ancelotti and Allegri are great coaches but they’re not fucking miracle workers. Nobody is turning that defensive line into anything other than bang fucking average bordering on complete shit.