Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:04 pmAny chance we could send Arteta over to have a chat with the wiggy cu.nt![]()


Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:04 pmAny chance we could send Arteta over to have a chat with the wiggy cu.nt![]()
Agreed 100% mate.GoonerMuzz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:12 pmNot really sure we can have much expectation, this whole situation will have thrown all planning out the window, our funding will be even more up the swanny than ever, contracts will be all over the place and the transfer window may be a complete washout due to lack of funds for every club. If UEFA, the FA and the EPL are canny they will either extend the transfer window or leave it open for the whole season to allow clubs to reorganise and restructure as best they can over a longer period, those that survive this anyway.
Unfortunately this gives Wiggy the perfect chance to 'consolidate' funds more than usual and I should imagine our squad next season may be broadly similar to this year![]()
I know none of this really matters in the current emergency but I'm sick of everything Corona virus and want to think about something else more pleasant, relatively![]()
We are at the same stage as we were before GG was appointed - an also ran team capable of the odd cup run, miles away from winning the league and full of journeymen who’ve had better days elsewhereBob Bayliss wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:55 amWe have not progressed under Teflon. Arguably, we are in a worse position than we were at the equivalent stage under Emery, in the sense that we are now touch and go for a Europa Cup spot, rather than simply struggling to compete for top four.
I had two main concerns about his appointment. Firstly, that he lacked top-level experience, other than as Pep's cone-man. Secondly, that everything we knew about him from his playing days suggested that he was not equipped to transform the lightweight, easy-on-the-eye but ultimately inconsequential style of play that has plagued the Club since the invincibles team was dismantled. Those who cited George Graham as an example of how a poacher could turn gamekeeper ignored Graham's impressive apprenticeship at Millwall and the fact that for all his languor as a player he had much more steel about him than the current incumbent appears to possess. There are some other crucial differences: Graham also inherited a very talented clutch of young players. The likes of Willock, Nelson, Nketia and Maitland-Niles are not the heirs of Adams, Rocastle, Thomas and Merson. He also wasted no time in getting shot of the likes of Charlie Nic and Woodcock. I can't imagine Ozil would still have been stinking the place out with GG at the helm.
So I will call it now: Arteta was and remains a dreadful appointment, the antithesis of what we need to transform the club.
SteveO 35 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:18 pmWe are at the same stage as we were before GG was appointed - an also ran team capable of the odd cup run, miles away from winning the league and full of journeymen who’ve had better days elsewhereBob Bayliss wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:55 amWe have not progressed under Teflon. Arguably, we are in a worse position than we were at the equivalent stage under Emery, in the sense that we are now touch and go for a Europa Cup spot, rather than simply struggling to compete for top four.
I had two main concerns about his appointment. Firstly, that he lacked top-level experience, other than as Pep's cone-man. Secondly, that everything we knew about him from his playing days suggested that he was not equipped to transform the lightweight, easy-on-the-eye but ultimately inconsequential style of play that has plagued the Club since the invincibles team was dismantled. Those who cited George Graham as an example of how a poacher could turn gamekeeper ignored Graham's impressive apprenticeship at Millwall and the fact that for all his languor as a player he had much more steel about him than the current incumbent appears to possess. There are some other crucial differences: Graham also inherited a very talented clutch of young players. The likes of Willock, Nelson, Nketia and Maitland-Niles are not the heirs of Adams, Rocastle, Thomas and Merson. He also wasted no time in getting shot of the likes of Charlie Nic and Woodcock. I can't imagine Ozil would still have been stinking the place out with GG at the helm.
So I will call it now: Arteta was and remains a dreadful appointment, the antithesis of what we need to transform the club.
Perhaps all the mocking of my suggestions of Sean Dyche look a bit daft now, when we’ve appointed a tiki taka coach to manage a team unable to string three passes together
It’s not arguable that we’re worse off than we were under Emery - its absolutely undeniable through any stat you want to look at.... league position, win ratio, goals scored
The club is truly getting what it deserved - Emery was on a terrible run but the greater good was that Ozil, Mustafi and Xhaka were firmly on the way out on the back of all the other shite like Cech, Elneny, Welbeck etc that we’re already gone
We survived 10 years of Wenger post lobotomy but couldn’t afford the next guy 2 years to complete a rebuild
Got what we deserved - a coach miles out of his depth trying to be Manchester City with players more like Bristol City
I took loads of stick on here for supposedly saying Emery was the greatest manager of all time which he quite clearly isn't....and by god some of those performances in the last few weeks of his reign were frustrating and puzzling.......but absolutely no more than the shite served up yesterday (and on many other occasions by Arteta). Leno, Torreira, Saka and Martinelli have undoubtedly been the bright spots over the past year or so and we know who either bought them or brought them throughaugie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:31 amSteveO 35 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:18 pmWe are at the same stage as we were before GG was appointed - an also ran team capable of the odd cup run, miles away from winning the league and full of journeymen who’ve had better days elsewhereBob Bayliss wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:55 amWe have not progressed under Teflon. Arguably, we are in a worse position than we were at the equivalent stage under Emery, in the sense that we are now touch and go for a Europa Cup spot, rather than simply struggling to compete for top four.
I had two main concerns about his appointment. Firstly, that he lacked top-level experience, other than as Pep's cone-man. Secondly, that everything we knew about him from his playing days suggested that he was not equipped to transform the lightweight, easy-on-the-eye but ultimately inconsequential style of play that has plagued the Club since the invincibles team was dismantled. Those who cited George Graham as an example of how a poacher could turn gamekeeper ignored Graham's impressive apprenticeship at Millwall and the fact that for all his languor as a player he had much more steel about him than the current incumbent appears to possess. There are some other crucial differences: Graham also inherited a very talented clutch of young players. The likes of Willock, Nelson, Nketia and Maitland-Niles are not the heirs of Adams, Rocastle, Thomas and Merson. He also wasted no time in getting shot of the likes of Charlie Nic and Woodcock. I can't imagine Ozil would still have been stinking the place out with GG at the helm.
So I will call it now: Arteta was and remains a dreadful appointment, the antithesis of what we need to transform the club.
Perhaps all the mocking of my suggestions of Sean Dyche look a bit daft now, when we’ve appointed a tiki taka coach to manage a team unable to string three passes together
It’s not arguable that we’re worse off than we were under Emery - its absolutely undeniable through any stat you want to look at.... league position, win ratio, goals scored
The club is truly getting what it deserved - Emery was on a terrible run but the greater good was that Ozil, Mustafi and Xhaka were firmly on the way out on the back of all the other shite like Cech, Elneny, Welbeck etc that we’re already gone
We survived 10 years of Wenger post lobotomy but couldn’t afford the next guy 2 years to complete a rebuild
Got what we deserved - a coach miles out of his depth trying to be Manchester City with players more like Bristol City
Amen to all that![]()
The highlighted part is the stand out for me - getting shot of those players (plus lard arse iwobi) should have merited a statue outside the stadium for emery imo, but instead he got the tin tack at the first sign of troubleWhen wrighty got rid of rioch all those years ago I was disgusted if I'm honest - the difference between then and now is that wrighty was a consistant performer who had played no small part in bringing success to the club since he signed, and that brought him respect and standing. C.unts like xhaka and ozil and mustafi havent just been a part in our failures and capitulations ....... they have been core fundamental parts of it, and yet they have been allowed to undermine a manager and get him sacked
The board sided with them cos the players are valuable commodities (debatable I know
), but for the fans to show loyalty to players that have constantly let them down disgusts me, and proves to me that fans are continuing to play a big part in the demise of our club.
I'm not gonna stand here this morning and declare that emery was king and everything he did was right - his tactics away v the victims still angers me to this day and maybe always will. What I will say though, is that he inherited an absolute shitfest from the senile old cock and had quickly identified that some of our players were useless c.unts and was well on his way to ridding our club of them (cech, armenian pussy, lard arse iwobi, el ninny, wellshit, with xhaka, ozil and mustafi being squeezed too). He had brought young players like saka and martinelli through and was rebuilding with young hungry players. I see emery critic fans still to this day complaining about the shit players arteta has to work with, and only players like martinelli, sako, torreira and leno being praised by the fans, and they were all emery players. If the club and fans waited 6 more months to get rid of xhaka, ozil and mustafi and then sacked emery, then maybe I would feel a small bit better about the situation - now we have an unqualified guy in charge who immediately restored said players to the starting line-up, and it looks like we are never gonna get shot of them![]()
Absolute bullshit!augie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:31 amSteveO 35 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:18 pmWe are at the same stage as we were before GG was appointed - an also ran team capable of the odd cup run, miles away from winning the league and full of journeymen who’ve had better days elsewhereBob Bayliss wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:55 amWe have not progressed under Teflon. Arguably, we are in a worse position than we were at the equivalent stage under Emery, in the sense that we are now touch and go for a Europa Cup spot, rather than simply struggling to compete for top four.
I had two main concerns about his appointment. Firstly, that he lacked top-level experience, other than as Pep's cone-man. Secondly, that everything we knew about him from his playing days suggested that he was not equipped to transform the lightweight, easy-on-the-eye but ultimately inconsequential style of play that has plagued the Club since the invincibles team was dismantled. Those who cited George Graham as an example of how a poacher could turn gamekeeper ignored Graham's impressive apprenticeship at Millwall and the fact that for all his languor as a player he had much more steel about him than the current incumbent appears to possess. There are some other crucial differences: Graham also inherited a very talented clutch of young players. The likes of Willock, Nelson, Nketia and Maitland-Niles are not the heirs of Adams, Rocastle, Thomas and Merson. He also wasted no time in getting shot of the likes of Charlie Nic and Woodcock. I can't imagine Ozil would still have been stinking the place out with GG at the helm.
So I will call it now: Arteta was and remains a dreadful appointment, the antithesis of what we need to transform the club.
Perhaps all the mocking of my suggestions of Sean Dyche look a bit daft now, when we’ve appointed a tiki taka coach to manage a team unable to string three passes together
It’s not arguable that we’re worse off than we were under Emery - its absolutely undeniable through any stat you want to look at.... league position, win ratio, goals scored
The club is truly getting what it deserved - Emery was on a terrible run but the greater good was that Ozil, Mustafi and Xhaka were firmly on the way out on the back of all the other shite like Cech, Elneny, Welbeck etc that we’re already gone
We survived 10 years of Wenger post lobotomy but couldn’t afford the next guy 2 years to complete a rebuild
Got what we deserved - a coach miles out of his depth trying to be Manchester City with players more like Bristol City
Amen to all that![]()
The highlighted part is the stand out for me - getting shot of those players (plus lard arse iwobi) should have merited a statue outside the stadium for emery imo, but instead he got the tin tack at the first sign of troubleWhen wrighty got rid of rioch all those years ago I was disgusted if I'm honest - the difference between then and now is that wrighty was a consistant performer who had played no small part in bringing success to the club since he signed, and that brought him respect and standing. C.unts like xhaka and ozil and mustafi havent just been a part in our failures and capitulations ....... they have been core fundamental parts of it, and yet they have been allowed to undermine a manager and get him sacked
The board sided with them cos the players are valuable commodities (debatable I know
), but for the fans to show loyalty to players that have constantly let them down disgusts me, and proves to me that fans are continuing to play a big part in the demise of our club.
I'm not gonna stand here this morning and declare that emery was king and everything he did was right - his tactics away v the victims still angers me to this day and maybe always will. What I will say though, is that he inherited an absolute shitfest from the senile old cock and had quickly identified that some of our players were useless c.unts and was well on his way to ridding our club of them (cech, armenian pussy, lard arse iwobi, el ninny, wellshit, with xhaka, ozil and mustafi being squeezed too). He had brought young players like saka and martinelli through and was rebuilding with young hungry players. I see emery critic fans still to this day complaining about the shit players arteta has to work with, and only players like martinelli, sako, torreira and leno being praised by the fans, and they were all emery players. If the club and fans waited 6 more months to get rid of xhaka, ozil and mustafi and then sacked emery, then maybe I would feel a small bit better about the situation - now we have an unqualified guy in charge who immediately restored said players to the starting line-up, and it looks like we are never gonna get shot of them![]()
goonersid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:08 amAbsolute bullshit!augie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:31 amSteveO 35 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:18 pmWe are at the same stage as we were before GG was appointed - an also ran team capable of the odd cup run, miles away from winning the league and full of journeymen who’ve had better days elsewhereBob Bayliss wrote: ↑Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:55 amWe have not progressed under Teflon. Arguably, we are in a worse position than we were at the equivalent stage under Emery, in the sense that we are now touch and go for a Europa Cup spot, rather than simply struggling to compete for top four.
I had two main concerns about his appointment. Firstly, that he lacked top-level experience, other than as Pep's cone-man. Secondly, that everything we knew about him from his playing days suggested that he was not equipped to transform the lightweight, easy-on-the-eye but ultimately inconsequential style of play that has plagued the Club since the invincibles team was dismantled. Those who cited George Graham as an example of how a poacher could turn gamekeeper ignored Graham's impressive apprenticeship at Millwall and the fact that for all his languor as a player he had much more steel about him than the current incumbent appears to possess. There are some other crucial differences: Graham also inherited a very talented clutch of young players. The likes of Willock, Nelson, Nketia and Maitland-Niles are not the heirs of Adams, Rocastle, Thomas and Merson. He also wasted no time in getting shot of the likes of Charlie Nic and Woodcock. I can't imagine Ozil would still have been stinking the place out with GG at the helm.
So I will call it now: Arteta was and remains a dreadful appointment, the antithesis of what we need to transform the club.
Perhaps all the mocking of my suggestions of Sean Dyche look a bit daft now, when we’ve appointed a tiki taka coach to manage a team unable to string three passes together
It’s not arguable that we’re worse off than we were under Emery - its absolutely undeniable through any stat you want to look at.... league position, win ratio, goals scored
The club is truly getting what it deserved - Emery was on a terrible run but the greater good was that Ozil, Mustafi and Xhaka were firmly on the way out on the back of all the other shite like Cech, Elneny, Welbeck etc that we’re already gone
We survived 10 years of Wenger post lobotomy but couldn’t afford the next guy 2 years to complete a rebuild
Got what we deserved - a coach miles out of his depth trying to be Manchester City with players more like Bristol City
Amen to all that![]()
The highlighted part is the stand out for me - getting shot of those players (plus lard arse iwobi) should have merited a statue outside the stadium for emery imo, but instead he got the tin tack at the first sign of troubleWhen wrighty got rid of rioch all those years ago I was disgusted if I'm honest - the difference between then and now is that wrighty was a consistant performer who had played no small part in bringing success to the club since he signed, and that brought him respect and standing. C.unts like xhaka and ozil and mustafi havent just been a part in our failures and capitulations ....... they have been core fundamental parts of it, and yet they have been allowed to undermine a manager and get him sacked
The board sided with them cos the players are valuable commodities (debatable I know
), but for the fans to show loyalty to players that have constantly let them down disgusts me, and proves to me that fans are continuing to play a big part in the demise of our club.
I'm not gonna stand here this morning and declare that emery was king and everything he did was right - his tactics away v the victims still angers me to this day and maybe always will. What I will say though, is that he inherited an absolute shitfest from the senile old cock and had quickly identified that some of our players were useless c.unts and was well on his way to ridding our club of them (cech, armenian pussy, lard arse iwobi, el ninny, wellshit, with xhaka, ozil and mustafi being squeezed too). He had brought young players like saka and martinelli through and was rebuilding with young hungry players. I see emery critic fans still to this day complaining about the shit players arteta has to work with, and only players like martinelli, sako, torreira and leno being praised by the fans, and they were all emery players. If the club and fans waited 6 more months to get rid of xhaka, ozil and mustafi and then sacked emery, then maybe I would feel a small bit better about the situation - now we have an unqualified guy in charge who immediately restored said players to the starting line-up, and it looks like we are never gonna get shot of them![]()
Agreed, Arteta doesn’t appear to be the answer.
To suggest that Emery was anything other than incapable tactically bereft clown, is merely a “toys out if the pram I told you so tantrum” and quite frankly absurd!
Remember the bizarre team selections, the embarrassing europa final, the inability to scrape the lge win against bottom of the table shite, that would have secured clge football and all but bankrupt sperz in the process,
Augie, the Rioch comparison is comparable only in that both he and Emery were taking us nowhere, I know he had a fallout with Wrighty, but his treatment of Wright was disgraceful. Backed up in Tony Adams’ book.
As for player power forcing Emery out??
Sword of Damocles, I’d say, since it was he who bestowed them that power, in allowing them to choose “his” captain, because he was too weak to take the responsibility, that’s when he lost their respect as a man, I think he had already lost their respect as a coach!
Based on both your arguements, it wouldn’t be unrealistic to suggest we bring Wenger back!
I’ve no doubt he would have gotten us over the line, like so many times before in those final few games.
I have grave doubts over Arteta, but bar a few loan signings NONE of this squad are his players!! So given that this arguement was used continually to defend Emery (despite 8 signings at start of his first season) then I feel it’s only fair that Arteta be afforded the same defence!
We are in a bad place at the minute, in every area of the club and at 56 I doubt I will see another title win in my lifetime, unless we are taken over by a rich and thrifty owner.