It’s the easiest job in the world to be the opposition party in times of a crisis - a good deal of our issues are due to morons not following instructions about social distance, wearing masks, attending parties, raves, protests, etc it wouldn’t matter who made the rules a set percentage don’t heed to them.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:57 pmReally? Australia and New Zealand are by no way out of the woods.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:47 amDoes no one really know? How about asking the leaders of Germany, Greece, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan amongst others.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:14 amThat Starmer bloke, is one slimey bastard.
He can’t hide his delight in slagging off the opposition anytime things take a bad turn.
I don’t agree with how the UK government are tackling the pandemic, but I also acknowledge that no one really knows how it should be tackled.
The UK have more or less taken the same path as most of Europe.
They have imo, done a good job in trying to supplement wages etc.
Covid has probably saved the Labour party from a generation in opposition, because they were truly fucked.
It's only us British that are clueless (ok add the Americans as well).
Germany had 50,000 people on the streets of Berlin protesting.
As I said we’ve gone the same path as most European countries, a wrong one imo but would Labour, without hindsight done it any different?
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I am referring to a British response rather than a political one. Would less people have died, who knows.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:57 pmReally? Australia and New Zealand are by no way out of the woods.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:47 amDoes no one really know? How about asking the leaders of Germany, Greece, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan amongst others.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:14 amThat Starmer bloke, is one slimey bastard.
He can’t hide his delight in slagging off the opposition anytime things take a bad turn.
I don’t agree with how the UK government are tackling the pandemic, but I also acknowledge that no one really knows how it should be tackled.
The UK have more or less taken the same path as most of Europe.
They have imo, done a good job in trying to supplement wages etc.
Covid has probably saved the Labour party from a generation in opposition, because they were truly fucked.
It's only us British that are clueless (ok add the Americans as well).
Germany had 50,000 people on the streets of Berlin protesting.
As I said we’ve gone the same path as most European countries, a wrong one imo but would Labour, without hindsight done it any different?
But one thing I do suspect is Kier Starmer would have a much clearer message than Boris ever could. And that in it's own right would save lives even if its something thats difficult to quantify.
With regards to Australia looks like they are coming out of a second wave with 36 deaths per mille versus our 623 and a long winter ahead. They also have their summer on the way, which as we saw here means less infection spread and severity.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... australia/
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Australia and New Zealand dont suffer the flu deaths of western europe so its an unfair comparison!nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:20 pmI am referring to a British response rather than a political one. Would less people have died, who knows.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:57 pmReally? Australia and New Zealand are by no way out of the woods.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:47 amDoes no one really know? How about asking the leaders of Germany, Greece, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan amongst others.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:14 amThat Starmer bloke, is one slimey bastard.
He can’t hide his delight in slagging off the opposition anytime things take a bad turn.
I don’t agree with how the UK government are tackling the pandemic, but I also acknowledge that no one really knows how it should be tackled.
The UK have more or less taken the same path as most of Europe.
They have imo, done a good job in trying to supplement wages etc.
Covid has probably saved the Labour party from a generation in opposition, because they were truly fucked.
It's only us British that are clueless (ok add the Americans as well).
Germany had 50,000 people on the streets of Berlin protesting.
As I said we’ve gone the same path as most European countries, a wrong one imo but would Labour, without hindsight done it any different?
But one thing I do suspect is Kier Starmer would have a much clearer message than Boris ever could. And that in it's own right would save lives even if its something thats difficult to quantify.
With regards to Australia looks like they are coming out of a second wave with 36 deaths per mille versus our 623 and a long winter ahead. They also have their summer on the way, which as we saw here means less infection spread and severity.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... australia/
And as I said labour have had hindsight! And it would have been the imbecilic leftie in charge when this started
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spot on. we are a particular selfish nation these days who a lot dont give a sht about the rules an regs, so we had no chance. the gov should have been more harsh and closed us completely, borders and all (as well as not repatriating those abroad which was a mistake), at the start but can you imagine the outrage of the left and civil liberties and other champagne socialists like NFG had they done so...remember before the 'official' lockdown, there was the message to limit movement etc which everyone ignored at the BH weekend and thus forced the gov into the formal lockdown. likewise should be extremely draconian in fining and enforcing the rules to set examples, but there scared to due to the noisy left and social media outcries.StuartL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:00 pmIt’s the easiest job in the world to be the opposition party in times of a crisis - a good deal of our issues are due to morons not following instructions about social distance, wearing masks, attending parties, raves, protests, etc it wouldn’t matter who made the rules a set percentage don’t heed to them.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:57 pmReally? Australia and New Zealand are by no way out of the woods.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:47 amDoes no one really know? How about asking the leaders of Germany, Greece, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan amongst others.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:14 amThat Starmer bloke, is one slimey bastard.
He can’t hide his delight in slagging off the opposition anytime things take a bad turn.
I don’t agree with how the UK government are tackling the pandemic, but I also acknowledge that no one really knows how it should be tackled.
The UK have more or less taken the same path as most of Europe.
They have imo, done a good job in trying to supplement wages etc.
Covid has probably saved the Labour party from a generation in opposition, because they were truly fucked.
It's only us British that are clueless (ok add the Americans as well).
Germany had 50,000 people on the streets of Berlin protesting.
As I said we’ve gone the same path as most European countries, a wrong one imo but would Labour, without hindsight done it any different?
damned if they do damned if they don't. this whole 10pm hospitality thing at the mo is BS and ill thought, but apart from hindsight not that much more they could have done.
2 big mistakes trusting the people and not forming a joint gov of unity to avoid it becoming a political issue.
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the playing mantis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:11 pmspot on. we are a particular selfish nation these days who a lot dont give a sht about the rules an regs, so we had no chance. the gov should have been more harsh and closed us completely, borders and all (as well as not repatriating those abroad which was a mistake), at the start but can you imagine the outrage of the left and civil liberties and other champagne socialists like NFG had they done so...remember before the 'official' lockdown, there was the message to limit movement etc which everyone ignored at the BH weekend and thus forced the gov into the formal lockdown. likewise should be extremely draconian in fining and enforcing the rules to set examples, but there scared to due to the noisy left and social media outcries.StuartL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:00 pmIt’s the easiest job in the world to be the opposition party in times of a crisis - a good deal of our issues are due to morons not following instructions about social distance, wearing masks, attending parties, raves, protests, etc it wouldn’t matter who made the rules a set percentage don’t heed to them.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:57 pmReally? Australia and New Zealand are by no way out of the woods.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:47 amDoes no one really know? How about asking the leaders of Germany, Greece, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan amongst others.goonersid wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:14 amThat Starmer bloke, is one slimey bastard.
He can’t hide his delight in slagging off the opposition anytime things take a bad turn.
I don’t agree with how the UK government are tackling the pandemic, but I also acknowledge that no one really knows how it should be tackled.
The UK have more or less taken the same path as most of Europe.
They have imo, done a good job in trying to supplement wages etc.
Covid has probably saved the Labour party from a generation in opposition, because they were truly fucked.
It's only us British that are clueless (ok add the Americans as well).
Germany had 50,000 people on the streets of Berlin protesting.
As I said we’ve gone the same path as most European countries, a wrong one imo but would Labour, without hindsight done it any different?
damned if they do damned if they don't. this whole 10pm hospitality thing at the mo is BS and ill thought, but apart from hindsight not that much more they could have done.
2 big mistakes trusting the people and not forming a joint gov of unity to avoid it becoming a political issue.
Some of us come from working class backgrounds Mantis, and actually have aspiration. Nothing wrong with that. Been labelled a few things in my time but champagne socialist please, I am probably more right wing than you are
But on the subject of COVID I realise we are ruled by a bunch of charlatans now, and my political support doesn't have to match my ideologies.
I don't give a shit about civil liberties in a global crisis, if there are rules they need to be obeyed/enforced. It's the Conservatives fault that no one listens to them anymore for lack of clarity and consistency. I do agree with you about disobeyance in general though, I have no levels of contempt for students crying about being locked up. They have the rest of their lives to get pissed up and enjoy themselves.
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nfg but folk ignored them from the very start well before DC -we had no chance! i cant recall if it was a BH or a weekend of nice weather - scenes from matlock bath spring to mind with everyone having ventured there, horse had bolted, as the people were trusted and ignored it, triggering the actual lockdown, that and certain areas of society choosing to ignore it full stop meant we were always fooked. it may be a northern hemisphere anglophone thing, but i think when it boils down to it, ourselves and the states are the most entitled societies now, and a signifincant minority of people from all classes and creeds do what they want and dont care, wheras others in europe still have a sense of community obedience when it really matters.
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100% spot on. The countries that have a social fabric have generally done better.the playing mantis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:48 amnfg but folk ignored them from the very start well before DC -we had no chance! i cant recall if it was a BH or a weekend of nice weather - scenes from matlock bath spring to mind with everyone having ventured there, horse had bolted, as the people were trusted and ignored it, triggering the actual lockdown, that and certain areas of society choosing to ignore it full stop meant we were always fooked. it may be a northern hemisphere anglophone thing, but i think when it boils down to it, ourselves and the states are the most entitled societies now, and a signifincant minority of people from all classes and creeds do what they want and dont care, wheras others in europe still have a sense of community obedience when it really matters.
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So, I work in Flintshire, which is in a local lockdown being a high risk area and does not allow people in or out without good reason. I live in Liverpool which is in a local lockdown as a high risk area. Yet, I can freely travel between the two areas as a key worker, and mingle with hundreds of people from different household.
Personally, I think it's wrong that this is allowed to happen and shows why lockdown rules are so inadequate to reduce the spread of the covid. I said it before. Close the large supermarkets to all customers for two weeks. Get them to do home deliveries only. The r-rates will be dramatically reduced.
We are allowed a maximum of 356 customers in store at any one time. Possibly 356 different households, plus the 60-70 staff household in one building at any time throughout the day. Given the average customer transactions is in excess of 2500, that is a possible 2500 different households visiting a single building throughout the day. That is happening every day at over 3000 large supermarkets sites across the UK.
Personally, I think it's wrong that this is allowed to happen and shows why lockdown rules are so inadequate to reduce the spread of the covid. I said it before. Close the large supermarkets to all customers for two weeks. Get them to do home deliveries only. The r-rates will be dramatically reduced.
We are allowed a maximum of 356 customers in store at any one time. Possibly 356 different households, plus the 60-70 staff household in one building at any time throughout the day. Given the average customer transactions is in excess of 2500, that is a possible 2500 different households visiting a single building throughout the day. That is happening every day at over 3000 large supermarkets sites across the UK.
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Not sure there is the capacity to offer everyone online shopping. Thats why the supermarkets have continued to offer vulnerable groups priority shopping.Nos89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:12 pmSo, I work in Flintshire, which is in a local lockdown being a high risk area and does not allow people in or out without good reason. I live in Liverpool which is in a local lockdown as a high risk area. Yet, I can freely travel between the two areas as a key worker, and mingle with hundreds of people from different household.
Personally, I think it's wrong that this is allowed to happen and shows why lockdown rules are so inadequate to reduce the spread of the covid. I said it before. Close the large supermarkets to all customers for two weeks. Get them to do home deliveries only. The r-rates will be dramatically reduced.
We are allowed a maximum of 356 customers in store at any one time. Possibly 356 different households, plus the 60-70 staff household in one building at any time throughout the day. Given the average customer transactions is in excess of 2500, that is a possible 2500 different households visiting a single building throughout the day. That is happening every day at over 3000 large supermarkets sites across the UK.
Just looking at Asda for this week theres no slots available. In March they were fully booked one month ahead.
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Tesco have increased their minimum delivery to £ 4.50 . So a pensioner that buys weekly at £50 a time is getting quite a hike in price . Morrisons and Asda are ranging between £ 2.50 and £5.00 depending on time .
All were free at the outset of the pandemic to the vunerable that were shielding . They are offering deals on lower priced deliveries that tie you in. So to many , home delivery is not such a bargain service that it was.
All were free at the outset of the pandemic to the vunerable that were shielding . They are offering deals on lower priced deliveries that tie you in. So to many , home delivery is not such a bargain service that it was.
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They have the capability to do it for sure. Especially if they have no customers through the doors.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:06 amNot sure there is the capacity to offer everyone online shopping. Thats why the supermarkets have continued to offer vulnerable groups priority shopping.Nos89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:12 pmSo, I work in Flintshire, which is in a local lockdown being a high risk area and does not allow people in or out without good reason. I live in Liverpool which is in a local lockdown as a high risk area. Yet, I can freely travel between the two areas as a key worker, and mingle with hundreds of people from different household.
Personally, I think it's wrong that this is allowed to happen and shows why lockdown rules are so inadequate to reduce the spread of the covid. I said it before. Close the large supermarkets to all customers for two weeks. Get them to do home deliveries only. The r-rates will be dramatically reduced.
We are allowed a maximum of 356 customers in store at any one time. Possibly 356 different households, plus the 60-70 staff household in one building at any time throughout the day. Given the average customer transactions is in excess of 2500, that is a possible 2500 different households visiting a single building throughout the day. That is happening every day at over 3000 large supermarkets sites across the UK.
Just looking at Asda for this week theres no slots available. In March they were fully booked one month ahead.
Morrisons are offerring a door step delivery service for vulnerable/ elderly customers for free.
I did state close down the large supermarkets, the independents and convenience shops would still be open. Smaller capacity, easier to control customer flow and less chance of the casual shopper spending an hour ambling around the store. Get what you need and leave the shop to allow a quicker turnover of customers. Do it for two weeks. Retailers are robust and will adjust accordingly.
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If your a vulnerable customer Asda give you a free delivery pass, and no minimum shop. They did it for my mum, I did have to register her a clinically vulnerable on the government website. I assume Asda referenced the database,A11M11 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:05 pmTesco have increased their minimum delivery to £ 4.50 . So a pensioner that buys weekly at £50 a time is getting quite a hike in price . Morrisons and Asda are ranging between £ 2.50 and £5.00 depending on time .
All were free at the outset of the pandemic to the vunerable that were shielding . They are offering deals on lower priced deliveries that tie you in. So to many , home delivery is not such a bargain service that it was.
Personally I use Waitrose who offer £40 free delivery for anyone. And they keep sending me discount vouchers.
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We do not have the luxury of a Waitrose delivery service ( out of area ) and yes as a person over 70 having had a heart attack and a TIA with a wife recovering from Endometrial cancer we were put on that list too . However we seem to have slipped off of it and priority which was originally offered has changed to a pay a one of fee and get 8 deliveries a month but they have put a minimum spend on which is out of proportion to our income.
We have found a local butcher that is doing free deliveries with real meat that is not full of water and there are plenty of farm shops around for Veg and eggs etc so we are not starving.
In my opinion the supermarkets have realised the expense of delivering in a country area and the cost of diesel alone probably outwieghs the profit on a £40 .00 delivery . They are trying to force people back to the stores as even click and collect is is now carrying a charge . It's getting harder and harder to self isolate.
We have found a local butcher that is doing free deliveries with real meat that is not full of water and there are plenty of farm shops around for Veg and eggs etc so we are not starving.
In my opinion the supermarkets have realised the expense of delivering in a country area and the cost of diesel alone probably outwieghs the profit on a £40 .00 delivery . They are trying to force people back to the stores as even click and collect is is now carrying a charge . It's getting harder and harder to self isolate.
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The government need to get a grip on the rising cases, otherwise as head into winter we are going to be faced with a much bigger problem than we had this spring.
Hospital admissions are rising sharply. That means if measures are not taken soon the hospitals are very soon going to be overwhelmed, when you consider that they are already at breaking point over the winter anyway.
I can’t believe that there is some sort of argument going on about a 10pm curfew in pubs.
Just close them, because they will have to be sooner rather than later, and the longer the decision is left the longer it will take to reopen them again.
I can’t believe that we are walking into the same situation that we faced earlier this year.
Hospital admissions are rising sharply. That means if measures are not taken soon the hospitals are very soon going to be overwhelmed, when you consider that they are already at breaking point over the winter anyway.
I can’t believe that there is some sort of argument going on about a 10pm curfew in pubs.
Just close them, because they will have to be sooner rather than later, and the longer the decision is left the longer it will take to reopen them again.
I can’t believe that we are walking into the same situation that we faced earlier this year.
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At last, I see over 6000 medical experts have joined in a global protest against lockdowns and called for attention to be switched to protecting the vulnerable, whilst allowing the rest of us to get on with our lives.