General Election May 7th

[northbank123]

Don't get me wrong its important to look after the poorer and poorest in society but the extent to which wealth is vilified in this country is astounding. It's so easy to make throwaway comments but most of the richer people work phenomenally hard and contribute a tremendous amount in terms of direct and indirect taxes. People are hated just for having money, and its not limited to those who inherit and never work a day in their life.

Flash cowardly is probably fair in that respect, although the other side of the coin is that it's tactically sensible. It's so much easier in Opposition to criticise somebody's track record over the last 5 years when mistakes will inevitably have been made. When you're in power you're limited to criticising hypothetical policies and character attacks.

[Theoperator]

But under the Tories the ones that suffer most are the ones that earn the least. Not saying Labour will radically change this but the rich in this country have had it far too easy.

the aim then for Tories to get maximum votes is to make everyone richer, conversely the aim of Labour is to make everyone poorer to maximise their votes.

[DarylAFC]

Don't get me wrong its important to look after the poorer and poorest in society but the extent to which wealth is vilified in this country is astounding. It's so easy to make throwaway comments but most of the richer people work phenomenally hard and contribute a tremendous amount in terms of direct and indirect taxes. People are hated just for having money, and its not limited to those who inherit and never work a day in their life.

Flash cowardly is probably fair in that respect, although the other side of the coin is that it's tactically sensible. It's so much easier in Opposition to criticise somebody's track record over the last 5 years when mistakes will inevitably have been made. When you're in power you're limited to criticising hypothetical policies and character attacks.

Disagree entirely.

A lot of these kind are born into wealth. Yeah self-made millionaire stories exist but how many of these rich toffs are born into their money? The Tories are not helping the working class become rich, they simply help the rich stay rich. As I've previously said, Labour are just as bad for this, bunch of liberal students from top schools that think they're enlightened. I wish we had a proper left wing party in this country

EDIT: Also, how many of these guys actually PAY tax? Easy to go after the multi-national billionaire corporations (Rightly so) but anyone who can afford an accountant can avoid tax.

That said, I would take a lifetime of Tory rule as long as Klopp was manager

[arseofacrow]

Don't get me wrong its important to look after the poorer and poorest in society but the extent to which wealth is vilified in this country is astounding. It's so easy to make throwaway comments but most of the richer people work phenomenally hard and contribute a tremendous amount in terms of direct and indirect taxes. People are hated just for having money, and its not limited to those who inherit and never work a day in their life.

Flash cowardly is probably fair in that respect, although the other side of the coin is that it's tactically sensible. It's so much easier in Opposition to criticise somebody's track record over the last 5 years when mistakes will inevitably have been made. When you're in power you're limited to criticising hypothetical policies and character attacks.

Disagree entirely.

A lot of these kind are born into wealth. Yeah self-made millionaire stories exist but how many of these rich toffs are born into their money? The Tories are not helping the working class become rich, they simply help the rich stay rich. As I've previously said, Labour are just as bad for this, bunch of liberal students from top schools that think they're enlightened. I wish we had a proper left wing party in this country

EDIT: Also, how many of these guys actually PAY tax? Easy to go after the multi-national billionaire corporations (Rightly so) but anyone who can afford an accountant can avoid tax.

That said, I would take a lifetime of Tory rule as long as Klopp was manager

As a proportion of their income, a significant would pay less than your average joe.

The phrase "you can do anything you put your mind to it" is probably less apt when talking about Britain than anywhere else in the world...perhaps with the exception of North Korea

[LDB]

Probably Tory, maybe UKIP.

Couldn't agree more with the guy who said it's pathetic the people who won't vote Tory because they're posh. For the starters it's a completely childish attitude and just shows a complete lack of grasp/interest in the issues facing the country. Secondly, do a bit of research into the backgrounds of top Labour and Lib Dem politicians, I think you'll find they didn't go to your local state comp. I've said for years that the Tory party itself is a massive barrier to getting consistent, sensible centre-right government in this country because it's just so entrenched in this petty tribal system, in an ideal world it would be replaced by a new party but it won't happen in my lifetime.

As for UKIP, I've been an admirer of Farage for a long time and very rarely find him say something I disagree with. How he is being so baselessly smeared as racist without having ever advocated anything remotely racist is a real testament to the power of the media. The problem the party has is that the more popular it becomes and the more it grows the more lunatics it attracts. However, I think with a party which is non-mainstream you have to take them at their ideas (which I think are strong) rather than paying too much attention to the lunatic fringe. The question is whether or not a vote for UKIP is just a shadow vote for Labour.

[olgitgooner]

I used hate Margaret Thatcher and her policies.

Now, with the benefit of hindsight, I have to recognise that she was extremely clever.

I seriously think that if we had another Thatcher in power today we probably would have cleared off the foreign criminals who are claiming "human rights" to stay here. And we would not be paying billions of tax payer pounds housing illegal economic migrants. While our own UK born people are pushed to the bottom of the housing queue. EU would have to bend a little. Fuck paying for Spanish infrastructure and Greek early pensions.

I don't blame people for coming here. I would do the same myself if I had been born elsewhere. And had the promise of free housing and free income in a wonderful country.

But. It's gone to far.

So it's UKIP for me. Protest vote.

[skizz_b]

Conservative for me.

Once again the only viable options are Labour and the Tories, Labour don’t have the answers to many questions and have a massive hole in their budgeting plans they are choosing to ignore. Osborne has got the economy back on track and working in the field I support his plans and methodology for the next four years. More than anything I can’t vote for Ed Miliband, the guy has not got a bloody clue and will have an army of advisers like Nick Clegg, who at present has 25 Special Advisors all paid £60k a year to tell him how he should run the country if he gets in. Idiots both of them.

The Tories are, however, full of shit with the “in it together” as Flash says. They’ve always been the party who look after those who have the means to look after themselves and if that means less tax for me so be it. I agree with flash again that they need to sort out the corporation tax and stop scratching the backs of their public schoolboy chums. They are however the lesser evil so they will get my vote.

For those voting UKIP, I’d love to see your faces when Farage forms a coalition with the Tories and they stay in power, he’s already said as long as he gets an EU referendum he will go with them. Once a blue always a blue…

[skizz_b]

Don't get me wrong its important to look after the poorer and poorest in society but the extent to which wealth is vilified in this country is astounding. It's so easy to make throwaway comments but most of the richer people work phenomenally hard and contribute a tremendous amount in terms of direct and indirect taxes. People are hated just for having money, and its not limited to those who inherit and never work a day in their life.

Flash cowardly is probably fair in that respect, although the other side of the coin is that it's tactically sensible. It's so much easier in Opposition to criticise somebody's track record over the last 5 years when mistakes will inevitably have been made. When you're in power you're limited to criticising hypothetical policies and character attacks.

Disagree entirely.

A lot of these kind are born into wealth. Yeah self-made millionaire stories exist but how many of these rich toffs are born into their money? The Tories are not helping the working class become rich, they simply help the rich stay rich. As I've previously said, Labour are just as bad for this, bunch of liberal students from top schools that think they're enlightened. I wish we had a proper left wing party in this country

EDIT: Also, how many of these guys actually PAY tax? Easy to go after the multi-national billionaire corporations (Rightly so) but anyone who can afford an accountant can avoid tax.

That said, I would take a lifetime of Tory rule as long as Klopp was manager

If they are born into their money and live off it their entire lives, they won't contribute any tax anyway. Labour are the party advocating taxing people in this situation with their mansion tax, the reality is a lot of people with expensive houses in London can't afford to pay further tax on them as the property was inherited. I for one am in this situation.

[skizz_b]

More infighting at UKIP today as Tim Aker has been sacked as the party's policy chief.

There are also more strong rumours of Nigel Farage and Douglas Carswell falling out - Carswell has apparently said internally the party needs to stop insulting immigrants and did an interview over the weekend calling UKIP "internationalist" and "inclusive" which hasn't gone down well with Farage who is very anti-EU and free movement. More "traditional" UKIP members are also said to be upset with Carswell's moves and he is apparently being called "that Tory" behind his back. Wheels falling off?

[flash gunner]

Wheels definitely falling off Skizz the closer to the election the more scrutiny they will come under by May 7th they will be lucky to get 2 seats

[QuartzGooner]

Being born into money is no crime.
It might, perish the thought, mean one is accustomed to money and know how to use it and conserve it.
Rather than have a perverted Socialist despisal of wealth, which really, is just jealousy.

[flash gunner]

I've got nothing against people with money or posh people what I hate is pretence, no fucking millionaire public school boys can pretend 'we're in it together' no we aren't they don't suffer the cuts to the NHS and other services like me and others

[QuartzGooner]

Flash

For elective surgery a millionaire should be able to go private.
But for emergencies they call 999 like you or I.
And so they should, because they pay for it through taxes.

[SPUDMASHER]

Whilst there are things I am not currently happy about I just don't see Labour as being a viable alternative. The Tories have done a reasonable job of getting us back on track, which when you look at the wreckage they took over is no mean feat. I think a return to Labour will result in a slow descent into another recession. As far as UKIP are concerned...................what an absolute shower of shite they are. They're probably the most disorganised bunch of knobs that have ever run for office. I would sooner become a Jihadi than vote for that bunch of Can you imagine that grinning idiot Farage as a Prime Minister? I shudder at the very thought of it.

I don't think any of them are an ideal choice but I'll hang my hat on Conservative and hope for the best.

[SPUDMASHER]

Flash

For elective surgery a millionaire should be able to go private.
But for emergencies they call 999 like you or I.
And so they should, because they pay for it through taxes.

I have to echo this point.

We complain about the wealthy and say we should tax them heavy because they can afford it but then complain when they use a resource that we don't think they should! Why shouldn't they? they've probably paid much more towards it than most of the population. You can't have it both ways!

Personally I don't necessarily buy into the "tax the rich" ethos that exists in society. I believe that policy stifles ambition and effectively penalizes people for getting off their arses and making the effort. I do accept that there are those to whom wealth was through inheritance and have not worked but you shouldn't punish them for inheriting what their parents or grandparents etc. have worked for. Don't forget that they get taxed quite nicely when they get their inheritance!
The high earners in society pay more tax simply by the fact that they earn more money. Why should it be at a higher rate after a given level? Isn't it enough that they're paying more anyway?

I'm not wealthy, not by any means, but I don't think they are treated fairly. They're exploited for their wealth by the tax system but that seems to be acceptable to people simply because "they can afford it".

I know that's not a popular view, but that very fact proves my point. We feel comfortable bashing the rich in this country and that comes down to one common denominator.................... we envy them!