The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

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Remain or leave

Remain
27
35%
Leave
51
65%
 
Total votes: 78

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Herd » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:25 am


When you are in a club herd and there are 27 other members, you tell them you wan't to leave. Who dictates the terms of membership termination, is it the 1 or the 27?
You stop paying your membership dues and you walk out the door ,it's pretty easy, if we had prepared for a real Brexit in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess but since there was no intention to leave its no surprise

Stop looking at this as a British problem. The Europeans are just as pissed off about this as we are, and they are so fed up they are about to kick us out unless we buck our ideas up fast. Then you will get your Brexit. If it isn't a British problem then whose is it ,Nepals ? The notion that the EU would kick us out just shows how little you've learnt these past three years fella ,the EU will not kick us out ,il bet you any money you want on that one ,the Eu will collapse in a massive heap if we go hard out

The embarrassing thing is 27 countries including Ireland have all been united on their Brexit stance, all we have done is fight with each other.The other nations have done very little ,all of this has been handled by the Eu commission and their bosses Germany, go to Denmark and they are ready to leave if we do ,after all they only joined because we did.

You talk about lies, the Brexiteers are the worst culprits by a mile. Another example, Liam Fox the former trade secretary talked about having 40 trade deals in place by last Friday. We achieved 8 by last week, one with the mighty Palestinians. The only major trading nation we have done a deal with being Switzerland.The Governement has had to make it seem like we have prepared for Brexit when of course we know they have done very little .They loved the hoo ha about the shipping contracts because it made t look like they were doing something when in fact it was just another smokescreen Liam fox is a chameleon lizard ,you seem genuinely shocked that he tells lies ??? fuck me these people lie for a living ,they have no idea what honesty is

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Re: The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

Postby Gunner Rob » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:32 am


When you are in a club herd and there are 27 other members, you tell them you wan't to leave. Who dictates the terms of membership termination, is it the 1 or the 27?
You stop paying your membership dues and you walk out the door ,it's pretty easy, if we had prepared for a real Brexit in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess but since there was no intention to leave its no surprise

Stop looking at this as a British problem. The Europeans are just as pissed off about this as we are, and they are so fed up they are about to kick us out unless we buck our ideas up fast. Then you will get your Brexit. If it isn't a British problem then whose is it ,Nepals ? The notion that the EU would kick us out just shows how little you've learnt these past three years fella ,the EU will not kick us out ,il bet you any money you want on that one ,the Eu will collapse in a massive heap if we go hard out

The embarrassing thing is 27 countries including Ireland have all been united on their Brexit stance, all we have done is fight with each other.The other nations have done very little ,all of this has been handled by the Eu commission and their bosses Germany, go to Denmark and they are ready to leave if we do ,after all they only joined because we did.

You talk about lies, the Brexiteers are the worst culprits by a mile. Another example, Liam Fox the former trade secretary talked about having 40 trade deals in place by last Friday. We achieved 8 by last week, one with the mighty Palestinians. The only major trading nation we have done a deal with being Switzerland.The Governement has had to make it seem like we have prepared for Brexit when of course we know they have done very little .They loved the hoo ha about the shipping contracts because it made t look like they were doing something when in fact it was just another smokescreen Liam fox is a chameleon lizard ,you seem genuinely shocked that he tells lies ??? fuck me these people lie for a living ,they have no idea what honesty is
1. I agree with you and if there had been a plan in place and we had just left the EU straight away then I would have accepted it.
the point is there was never a plan and that's why i have become increasingly against Brexit.

2. the EU are doing fine and I suspect they will do fine if we leave as well. they each have 26 other countries to trade with.
the UK is important to them but not that important. It is the UK who would collapse if we suddenly left. We have NO deals in place with other European countries apart from Switzerland.

3. that's just your opinion which i happen to think is wrong. the EU appear increasingly united, and most of them now think the UK is a laughing stock. Brexiteers have trashed the UK's reputation and should never be forgiven

4. we are spending millions on Brexit and ridiculous no deal planning.
the civil service has hired an extra 10,000 people to help with Brexit planning. what a waste of money!!

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Postby A11M11 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:40 pm

Have to say Rob I find those remarks and their assertions about 70% wrong.

There was a plan but the negotiators refused to accept it.
You should not under estimate the business that they do with us.
I agree about the laughing stock but it was aremain Prime minister , a remain Parliament and a remain civil service that have cocked it up.
Lastly it was Hammond that refused to give the funding for no deal in the first place as surprisingly he is a remainer too.

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Postby corkbarry » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:01 pm

My wife just asked me if i was on the joke thread? i told her yes! :D

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Postby Gunner Rob » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:30 pm

Have to say Rob I find those remarks and their assertions about 70% wrong.

There was a plan but the negotiators refused to accept it.
You should not under estimate the business that they do with us.
I agree about the laughing stock but it was aremain Prime minister , a remain Parliament and a remain civil service that have cocked it up.
Lastly it was Hammond that refused to give the funding for no deal in the first place as surprisingly he is a remainer too.
1. no there was never a plan. if there was then the Leave campaign would have clearly stated it. they didn't, and that is why everyone is still arguing about what Brexit means 3 years later.

2. you mean like the Japanese who are going to take their business elsewhere ?

3. Irrelevant that it is a remain prime minister. the slim majority means that the government will struggle to get any form of Brexit through Parliament. also the PM has to think about the country as a whole. Over 16 million voted to remain.

4. very sensible of him. why would any government want to spend millions on something which is completely unnecessary and self harming ?

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Postby Herd » Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:55 am

There was a mandate if not a plan ,the mandate was simple Leave the EU which included leave the customs union and the single market ,it was as plain as a red bus painted with silly slogans .
Cameron clearly stated what leaving meant and so did the silly little booklet, despite the remoaner lies that is what the country voted in the majority for .
The Prime minister said that's what would be delivered and so at that point we should have prepared for leaving without a deal in case of intransigence which on reflection was bound to happen.

We are the 2nd biggest Economy in the EU and Germany is our biggest partner within it ,if we left without a deal Germany will suffer Big time as they will have to foot the bill since all the other countries are skint .
The ridiculous mantra of 1 v 27 ignores the fact that Britain's economy is bigger than the lower 18 economies in the EU put together .

Its moot now we are staying and thats it !

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Postby augie » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:43 am

Are you guys still here ?? :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol:

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Postby A11M11 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:49 am

Unfortunately yes Augie ,

Here Rob , seen this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9& ... annel=null

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Postby Gunner Rob » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:55 am

Unfortunately yes Augie ,

Here Rob , seen this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9& ... annel=null
very good speech, but I am also very wary of her.
who could not be ? she is a far right German politician.

I agree that the EU needs to be reformed though. I have always stated that it is not perfect, it is just better to be in it than outside of it.
as Herd says the UK is the 2nd largest EU economy. Therefore within the EU we have influence. However that influence is about to be thrown away.
how stupid would that be!

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Postby Gunner Rob » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:22 am

I appreciate that many Brexiteers are a bit deluded but :lol: :lol: :lol:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ft-EU.html

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Postby Herd » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:19 am


very good speech, but I am also very wary of her.
who could not be ? she is a far right German politician.

I agree that the EU needs to be reformed though. I have always stated that it is not perfect, it is just better to be in it than outside of it.
as Herd says the UK is the 2nd largest EU economy. Therefore within the EU we have influence. However that influence is about to be thrown away.
how stupid would that be!
We tried to reform the Eu ,they refused ,thats why we had a referendum ,our influence was Zero we throw nothing away.
There's a huge media war against so called right wing movements ,By demonizing the so called right wing we are allowed to dismiss everything they say its a great wheeze.
The ADL are ant Euro bailouts and anti immigration ,that's hardly National Socialism in action.

In this country they are trying to Stop Tommy Robinson from having a voice because he raises the subjects our own politiicans refuse to deal with like the very real threat of Islamic terrorists in this country , Islamic rape gangs etc .
He is an opportunist whose sole purpose is to fuel anti Islamic feeling and is paid to do so by his Zionist paymasters masters but for me he has a right to say what he wants ,I m against censorship !
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Postby nut flush gooner » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:21 am


When you are in a club herd and there are 27 other members, you tell them you wan't to leave. Who dictates the terms of membership termination, is it the 1 or the 27?
You stop paying your membership dues and you walk out the door ,it's pretty easy, if we had prepared for a real Brexit in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess but since there was no intention to leave its no surprise

Stop looking at this as a British problem. The Europeans are just as pissed off about this as we are, and they are so fed up they are about to kick us out unless we buck our ideas up fast. Then you will get your Brexit. If it isn't a British problem then whose is it ,Nepals ? The notion that the EU would kick us out just shows how little you've learnt these past three years fella ,the EU will not kick us out ,il bet you any money you want on that one ,the Eu will collapse in a massive heap if we go hard out

The embarrassing thing is 27 countries including Ireland have all been united on their Brexit stance, all we have done is fight with each other.The other nations have done very little ,all of this has been handled by the Eu commission and their bosses Germany, go to Denmark and they are ready to leave if we do ,after all they only joined because we did.

You talk about lies, the Brexiteers are the worst culprits by a mile. Another example, Liam Fox the former trade secretary talked about having 40 trade deals in place by last Friday. We achieved 8 by last week, one with the mighty Palestinians. The only major trading nation we have done a deal with being Switzerland.The Governement has had to make it seem like we have prepared for Brexit when of course we know they have done very little .They loved the hoo ha about the shipping contracts because it made t look like they were doing something when in fact it was just another smokescreen Liam fox is a chameleon lizard ,you seem genuinely shocked that he tells lies ??? fuck me these people lie for a living ,they have no idea what honesty is
Herd, you are taking a simplistic view of this. You can't just leave the club and stop paying your dues, like any divorce there is a settlement required. It's written in law, we can't just decide what laws we abide by and which ones we don't. If we took that approach no country in the world would trust us or our word.

If we just leave the EU without a deal and don't pay the settlement then there won't be any trade deal. And before you go on about how we don't need the Europeans, I refer you to my quote about us completing 8 trade deals in the last 3 years, yes 8!

Your reference to the EU commission is wrong, again you are showing a lack of understanding of how the EU works. Any deal has to be ratified by the heads of the 27 remaining states. They have had countless summits both with and without the UK to find a consensus. The bureaucrats that you and other brexiteers take aim at (Barnier, Juncker and Tusk) without really understanding that they are no different to senior civil servants in this country, who advise government on policy direction. Yet no one in the UK refers to our Civil Servants as unelected bureaucrats do they?

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Postby Herd » Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:05 am

I have to keep things simple Nuts because neither you or Rob have the mental capacity to understand anything complicated. You are obsessed with trade deals and yet you ignore the fact that we have never had a trade deal with the USA and yet have managed to trade with them for centuries.

If we had prepared for this Divorce in a real way what would have happened is that individual countries would be forced by their home companies into making trade deals with us .

Germany would slide very quickly into recession having to foot an increased EU bill and ceasing trade with us.

The French will be hurt too,and yes we would suffer as well but it simply wouldnt happen.
I'm afraid you have a lot to learn about business flush.

Spain would collapse in a financial heap in nano seconds

However since we aren't leaving it doesn't matter.

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Postby nut flush gooner » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:24 am

I have to keep things simple Nuts because neither you or Rob have the mental capacity to understand anything complicated. You are obsessed with trade deals and yet you ignore the fact that we have never had a trade deal with the USA and yet have managed to trade with them for centuries.

If we had prepared for this Divorce in a real way what would have happened is that individual countries would be forced by their home companies into making trade deals with us .

Germany would slide very quickly into recession having to foot an increased EU bill and ceasing trade with us.

The French will be hurt too,and yes we would suffer as well but it simply wouldnt happen.
I'm afraid you have a lot to learn about business flush.

Spain would collapse in a financial heap in nano seconds

However since we aren't leaving it doesn't matter.
Understand anything complicated?

You are hilarious Herd, within the bowels of your misinformed mind you now believe that Germany would slide into recession because we don't pay a divorce settlement of £39bn we would bring an economy that turns over $4.2 trillion down.

And for your information, I will do the maths for you its not even 1% of their GDP.

Can you honestly just make anything up any more. The delusion is just off the scale. It's just embarrassing having this conversation with someone like you.

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Postby nut flush gooner » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:37 am

I have to keep things simple Nuts because neither you or Rob have the mental capacity to understand anything complicated. You are obsessed with trade deals and yet you ignore the fact that we have never had a trade deal with the USA and yet have managed to trade with them for centuries.

If we had prepared for this Divorce in a real way what would have happened is that individual countries would be forced by their home companies into making trade deals with us .

Germany would slide very quickly into recession having to foot an increased EU bill and ceasing trade with us.

The French will be hurt too,and yes we would suffer as well but it simply wouldnt happen.
I'm afraid you have a lot to learn about business flush.

Spain would collapse in a financial heap in nano seconds

However since we aren't leaving it doesn't matter.
Understand anything complicated?

You are hilarious Herd, within the bowels of your misinformed mind you now believe that Germany would slide into recession, because we don't pay a divorce settlement of £39bn we would bring an economy that turns over $4.2 trillion down.

And for your information, I will do the maths for you its not even 1% of their GDP.

Can you honestly just make anything up any more. The delusion is just off the scale. It's just embarrassing having this conversation with someone like you.


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