City Banned from CL for 2 years

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Re: City Banned from CL for 2 years

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Perryashburtongroves wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:26 am
Clash wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:21 pm
Perryashburtongroves wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:32 pm
Football has been bent for years and we all know it. Italian clubs bribed refs and UEFA in the 1960s and 1970s, Anderlecht did it to knock out Forest in 1984, Marseilles bribed their way to a league title and European Cup in 1992 and everyone knew it but were allowed to keep their European title,Spanish clubs have been bent and bribing refs and UEFA for most of the last 20 years and nothing ever happened. PSG and Chelse are two of the most unethical and unsustainable clubs on the planet yet nothing has ever happened to them. UEFA have never given a shit before. Chelsea and Barcelona have basically been found guilty of child trafficking yet somehow allowed to carry on as normal in any European competition they've played in. City have been dealt a wholly hypocritical punishment but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. UEFA are corrupt rats and always will be. For them to ban City is just a them bowing pressure put on them by the two corrupt Spanish clubs who have basically controlled UEFA for 15-20 years. My guess is that they've had a little tantrum to their mates in UEFA and threatened to support or join a breakaway league unless they get what they want, which is any threats to their cartel and bribery dealt with.
Great post Perry.

Agree with a lot of what Augie says on this thread too. If football has allowed these sort of owners into the game, I do not see how they can then dictate how much they are willing to spend, without this being massively hypocritical with what they've ignored elsewhere.

I do not particularly respect the way Man City have become a force in the last decade or so but I have no hatred towards them. In a game that has been corrupt for years, I have quite enjoyed the way their successes has denied success to clubs I really do despise. Both in this country and abroad. Its does seem wrong to pick on one club here when the same punishment could surely be applied to many other clubs.

Of course Man City wouldnt be where they are if they could only use their own revenue ... but when was the last time football clubs relied on gate money, prize money, TV money and the revenue generated by their own commercialism?

There are numerous examples rich men using their own fortunes (i.e. money not organically earned by the club itself) to elevate their club to a higher status.

Aside from the most obvious (Abramovich at Chelsea) there was the Moores family (using Littlewoods Pools profits :roll: ) at Liverpool which almost certainly aided their success from the 60s to the early 90's. There was also Al Fayed at Fulham. Jack Walker buying players that helped Blackburn win the title. Jack Hayward and Wolves' revival. Sir John Hall at Newcastle in the Keegan era. Steve Gibson at Boro, Dave Whelan at Wigan. Even Leicester!

In Italy you have the media tycoon guy at Milan, Berlusconi (sp?). Then there is Fiat and the Agnelli family that have been funding Juventus for decades. And f-ck knows where PSG get the money to buy players like Neymar :roll:

Madrid and Barcelona are also two of the most vile clubs in the world and they are no doubt been very influential in all this as Perry suggests.
Good points, mate. I absolutely agree with you about how City have stopped some horrible clubs winning things and that has made me smile. Once again we've got a situation with football where the sheer hypocrisy of the whole game screams at you. I'd be interested in hearing what Man City have done that hasn't been done before by other clubs funded by individuals or businesses over the last 30-40 years or longer. There is no way that PSG and the Chavs haven't broken the rules, no way that Real Madrid and Barcelona and Red Bull Leipzig or Monaco or many, many more, haven't fraudulently funded their teams or cheated the toothless financial fair play rules. The very same rules that they admitted were not legally binding and just a threat about five years ago. The whole thing just shows how dirty, corrupt and inconsistent UEFA really are.
Including Arsenal? I find it astonishing that Pool are outed as a club that monopolised English football in the 70s/80s through financial muscle because they didn't. They didn't pay the first £1m transfer fee, they didn't outspend manure. They were nothing like as dominant in terms of finances as City/PSG are these days.

The likes of Villa. Nottm Forest even Ipswich spent a lot of money relatively speaking in that era. What pool had was a structure and managers that made playing for them a very attractive proposition.

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Some great posts here but many will agree In sure that in their haste they left out the allegedly word, that or its a banned word on this forum :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Poor old City,1.5 billion pumped in and the FFP picks on them :lol

The Barcas and Juves of this world can obviously hide a cash injection or two because I doubt they have ever been in a position to announce financial losses of 500 million over 1 season like City were close to until they bailed themselves out with over inflated sponsorship

3 Turkish clubs have all ready been done by FFP all because their losses were over 30 mill per season so City lawyers are going to have an uphill battle to get this overturned and with FFP watching them closely and no CL football at there current operating structure they will average 80 million loss per season meaning the current squad will need to be cut in half at least :barscarf:

Sorry I cant find it in my Arsenal heart to feel they are being victimised or that I am an hypocrite for being ok with them getting a ban

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herbert wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:05 pm
Poor old City,1.5 billion pumped in and the FFP picks on them :lol

The Barcas and Juves of this world can obviously hide a cash injection or two because I doubt they have ever been in a position to announce financial losses of 500 million over 1 season like City were close to until they bailed themselves out with over inflated sponsorship

3 Turkish clubs have all ready been done by FFP all because their losses were over 30 mill per season so City lawyers are going to have an uphill battle to get this overturned and with FFP watching them closely and no CL football at there current operating structure they will average 80 million loss per season meaning the current squad will need to be cut in half at least :barscarf:

Sorry I cant find it in my Arsenal heart to feel they are being victimised or that I am an hypocrite for being ok with them getting a ban
Is it just a ban from the Champions League or does it also mean no Europa League too ?

Will it mean the 5th placed English club now get the 4th Champions League spot ?

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StuartL wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:45 pm
herbert wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:05 pm
Poor old City,1.5 billion pumped in and the FFP picks on them :lol

The Barcas and Juves of this world can obviously hide a cash injection or two because I doubt they have ever been in a position to announce financial losses of 500 million over 1 season like City were close to until they bailed themselves out with over inflated sponsorship

3 Turkish clubs have all ready been done by FFP all because their losses were over 30 mill per season so City lawyers are going to have an uphill battle to get this overturned and with FFP watching them closely and no CL football at there current operating structure they will average 80 million loss per season meaning the current squad will need to be cut in half at least :barscarf:

Sorry I cant find it in my Arsenal heart to feel they are being victimised or that I am an hypocrite for being ok with them getting a ban
Is it just a ban from the Champions League or does it also mean no Europa League too ?

Will it mean the 5th placed English club now get the 4th Champions League spot ?
I dont know stuart but the Galattasary ban was from both competitions

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StuartL wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:45 pm
herbert wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:05 pm
Poor old City,1.5 billion pumped in and the FFP picks on them :lol

The Barcas and Juves of this world can obviously hide a cash injection or two because I doubt they have ever been in a position to announce financial losses of 500 million over 1 season like City were close to until they bailed themselves out with over inflated sponsorship

3 Turkish clubs have all ready been done by FFP all because their losses were over 30 mill per season so City lawyers are going to have an uphill battle to get this overturned and with FFP watching them closely and no CL football at there current operating structure they will average 80 million loss per season meaning the current squad will need to be cut in half at least :barscarf:

Sorry I cant find it in my Arsenal heart to feel they are being victimised or that I am an hypocrite for being ok with them getting a ban
Is it just a ban from the Champions League or does it also mean no Europa League too ?

Will it mean the 5th placed English club now get the 4th Champions League spot ?
Unless their appeal is successful; which I doubt it will be, $hitty are Banned from both European Competitions for 2 years and yes, the 5th placed team gets a CL chance and the 6th placed a Europa league spot.

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:56 pm
StuartL wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:45 pm
herbert wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:05 pm
Poor old City,1.5 billion pumped in and the FFP picks on them :lol

The Barcas and Juves of this world can obviously hide a cash injection or two because I doubt they have ever been in a position to announce financial losses of 500 million over 1 season like City were close to until they bailed themselves out with over inflated sponsorship

3 Turkish clubs have all ready been done by FFP all because their losses were over 30 mill per season so City lawyers are going to have an uphill battle to get this overturned and with FFP watching them closely and no CL football at there current operating structure they will average 80 million loss per season meaning the current squad will need to be cut in half at least :barscarf:

Sorry I cant find it in my Arsenal heart to feel they are being victimised or that I am an hypocrite for being ok with them getting a ban
Is it just a ban from the Champions League or does it also mean no Europa League too ?

Will it mean the 5th placed English club now get the 4th Champions League spot ?
Unless their appeal is successful; which I doubt it will be, $hitty are Banned from both European Competitions for 2 years and yes, the 5th placed team gets a CL chance and the 6th placed a Europa league spot.
That makes it even better for us?

FCK City :barscarf:

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herbert wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:58 pm
OneBardGooner wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:56 pm
StuartL wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:45 pm
herbert wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:05 pm
Poor old City,1.5 billion pumped in and the FFP picks on them :lol

The Barcas and Juves of this world can obviously hide a cash injection or two because I doubt they have ever been in a position to announce financial losses of 500 million over 1 season like City were close to until they bailed themselves out with over inflated sponsorship

3 Turkish clubs have all ready been done by FFP all because their losses were over 30 mill per season so City lawyers are going to have an uphill battle to get this overturned and with FFP watching them closely and no CL football at there current operating structure they will average 80 million loss per season meaning the current squad will need to be cut in half at least :barscarf:

Sorry I cant find it in my Arsenal heart to feel they are being victimised or that I am an hypocrite for being ok with them getting a ban
Is it just a ban from the Champions League or does it also mean no Europa League too ?

Will it mean the 5th placed English club now get the 4th Champions League spot ?
Unless their appeal is successful; which I doubt it will be, $hitty are Banned from both European Competitions for 2 years and yes, the 5th placed team gets a CL chance and the 6th placed a Europa league spot.
That makes it even better for us?

FCK City :barscarf:
Unfortunately it also leaves a CL spot open for the tiny totts or the Mancs, 5th place could be very valuable this season.

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I know mate, so it'll either be

a

:(

or

an

:D


for now it's a

:|

with fingers crossed. :?

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Interesting that both UEFA and FIFA are two of the richest registered charities in the world but it is a requirement that all FAs, players and clubs HAVE to pay their 'dues' to play in competitions which are mandated by the two 'charities', so much for charitable donations :rubchin:

Hypocrisy is a byword as far as these organisations go and although i have little problem with FFP in principle it has to be enforced across all leagues at all levels not when they decide to pick and choose. City have been picked on in this instance but unless it is applied to other clubs as pointed out above then it definitely smacks of the old top twelve trying to stop anyone breaking into their financial monopoly in Europe.

For years I've been against a breakaway super league but to allow a rebalance of normal league football it might actually not be a bad thing, getting rid of sky, the super rich clubs and the tourist fans might actually be a good thing :wink:

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GoonerMuzz wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:45 pm
Interesting that both UEFA and FIFA are two of the richest registered charities in the world but it is a requirement that all FAs, players and clubs HAVE to pay their 'dues' to play in competitions which are mandated by the two 'charities', so much for charitable donations :rubchin:

Hypocrisy is a byword as far as these organisations go and although i have little problem with FFP in principle it has to be enforced across all leagues at all levels not when they decide to pick and choose. City have been picked on in this instance but unless it is applied to other clubs as pointed out above then it definitely smacks of the old top twelve trying to stop anyone breaking into their financial monopoly in Europe.

For years I've been against a breakaway super league but to allow a rebalance of normal league football it might actually not be a bad thing, getting rid of sky, the super rich clubs and the tourist fans might actually be a good thing :wink:
I ssume you mean breakaway without us ?

They can take themselves out of the CL too, but i would suspect they'd want to keep their main cash cow.

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For City to comply they need to reduce their wage bill to fall into line with their real earnings, and not the inflated earnings due to their laundering money to make it appear legitimate. Pep will leave and potentially other players and they will not be able to buy their way out of this hole. They will need to dig their way out of this hole and it will take some time.

This is more far reaching than stiffing them from European competition for 2 seasons. They will be selling the likes of De Bruyne, Aguero ect and replacing them with Danny Ings and Theo Walcott in order to balance their cooked books.

Ive been to a few City forums and they are waffling on about how unfair it is, which is so pompous - complaining how unfair it is that they cannot have an unlimited cheque book. They remind me of those rich kids crying because the credit card is taken away and is told to get a job instead of coasting though on other peoples money.

Its not like they are going to return to the days where Richare Dunne and Darius Vassel were their best players. But going forward they are not going to have it their own way and will need to earn their position at the top if they are to return their ever again.

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The court for Arbitration will knock it back to one season or suspend it altogether. :roll:

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wilson2.0 wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:19 am
For City to comply they need to reduce their wage bill to fall into line with their real earnings, and not the inflated earnings due to their laundering money to make it appear legitimate. Pep will leave and potentially other players and they will not be able to buy their way out of this hole. They will need to dig their way out of this hole and it will take some time.

This is more far reaching than stiffing them from European competition for 2 seasons. They will be selling the likes of De Bruyne, Aguero ect and replacing them with Danny Ings and Theo Walcott in order to balance their cooked books.

Ive been to a few City forums and they are waffling on about how unfair it is, which is so pompous - complaining how unfair it is that they cannot have an unlimited cheque book. They remind me of those rich kids crying because the credit card is taken away and is told to get a job instead of coasting though on other peoples money.

Its not like they are going to return to the days where Richare Dunne and Darius Vassel were their best players. But going forward they are not going to have it their own way and will need to earn their position at the top if they are to return their ever again.




But that would be daddy's decision to take away the credit card and not some jealous c.unts that are no longer king makers :roll:

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Saw a headline on the internet saying Stevie Me is wondering if the 2014 Premier League title should now be awarded to Victims FC. Didn't have time to read the article so may have been a wind up in fairness.

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