northbank123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:52 pmI sincerely hope Arteta spends the next decade making me look like a mug for writing him off.
Fulham are dreadful but we were very good in a no-fuss way.
Agreed on both counts
northbank123 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:52 pmI sincerely hope Arteta spends the next decade making me look like a mug for writing him off.
Fulham are dreadful but we were very good in a no-fuss way.
Agree with this , Richardson was outstanding for us and a key player in our title win , especially when Davis was banned for 8 matches.augie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:29 pmnut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:11 pmAugie it's almost as if you are waiting for us to fail to prove a point. Yesterday wasn't about the opposition it was about building a platform, yes we will have tough phases during the season but this isn't a 6,12 or 18 month project its a 3 year one. And can you not acknowledge that during our succesful spells there were bang average players in the squad to fulfill a specific role (Kevin Richardson, David Hillier, Oleg Luzhny, Nelson Vivas etc etc). Arteta seems to see something in Elneny that makes him of use for the coming season, again we have to trust his judgement.augie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:00 amnut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:45 pmIn Arteta I trust 1000%. A revolution is starting boys and girls.
All fine and dandy, but when we had a bad spell I wonder will he still retain the support of the fans with xhaka and elninny in midfield, and saka being the waterboy
By all accounts maitland-niles, bellend and laca are all available for sale, and yet all 3 started yesterday
Lets also acknowledge that while yesterday was a very commanding and impressive performance for our first game of the season, it was against a team that is odds on to be relegated this season
I would be highly surprised if these players are still at the club in 2 seasons time, that includes Xhaka.
A point I made yesterday on the match thread - I actually said that in some way yesterday could have been a harder game for us than for fulham cos a lack of preperation hurts footballers (us) more than workers (them), so I was happy with the professional attitude and performance we gave. What I am nowhere doing however, is getting way ahead of myself (the 1000% comment) on the back of 1 performance against a team very likely to go down.
The point I made about team selection is that arteta has better players at his disposal and yet is choosing to play grade A donkeys like xhaka and el ninny - are you telling me the fact that arteta views el ninny as better than ceballos, torreira and guendouzi doesnt concern you ? I dont know any other club in the top half of the league that would even consider picking xhaka in their first 11, and I doubt if there is a club in the league that would want el ninny For me saka is a million miles better than pepe, but yet arteta doesnt seem to rate him as highly given that he hasnt got a game in the cup semi final or final, and didnt get on yesterday either. As you know, I have real concerns that arteta doesnt believe or trust the young players and they are the easy ones to cast aside and this is another baffling decision imo
Btw, lumping richardson in with crazy horse luzhny, the luggage thief and vivas is beyond insulting - richardson came to us as an experienced player who had won a league and quietly did a great job for us
I should be pleased you're at least calling Arteta by his name instead of cone man, but FFS.... El Ninny?augie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:29 pm
The point I made about team selection is that arteta has better players at his disposal and yet is choosing to play grade A donkeys like xhaka and el ninny - are you telling me the fact that arteta views el ninny as better than ceballos, torreira and guendouzi doesnt concern you ? I dont know any other club in the top half of the league that would even consider picking xhaka in their first 11, and I doubt if there is a club in the league that would want el ninny For me saka is a million miles better than pepe, but yet arteta doesnt seem to rate him as highly given that he hasnt got a game in the cup semi final or final, and didnt get on yesterday either. As you know, I have real concerns that arteta doesnt believe or trust the young players and they are the easy ones to cast aside and this is another baffling decision imo
g88ner wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:02 amI should be pleased you're at least calling Arteta by his name instead of cone man, but FFS.... El Ninny?augie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:29 pm
The point I made about team selection is that arteta has better players at his disposal and yet is choosing to play grade A donkeys like xhaka and el ninny - are you telling me the fact that arteta views el ninny as better than ceballos, torreira and guendouzi doesnt concern you ? I dont know any other club in the top half of the league that would even consider picking xhaka in their first 11, and I doubt if there is a club in the league that would want el ninny For me saka is a million miles better than pepe, but yet arteta doesnt seem to rate him as highly given that he hasnt got a game in the cup semi final or final, and didnt get on yesterday either. As you know, I have real concerns that arteta doesnt believe or trust the young players and they are the easy ones to cast aside and this is another baffling decision imo
I think you're great augie and you certainly have some interesting view points. Must admit though, I seem to disagree with the vast majority of it
Regarding the highlighted bit above, I find that statement extremely irritating
Firstly, Arteta has only every picked Elneny once ahead of Ceballos since he became manager, so I can't help feeling you're being way too fucking premature to call it a "fact" that Arteta thinks Elneny is better than Ceballos
Secondly, Elneny started the community shield and Ceballos has barely trained/played since he came back on loan a week ago from Madrid, so I'm surprised that you're surprised that he didn't walk straight back in
Thirdly, Guendouzi is being frozen out so why the fuck would him being left out for Elneny mean anything? - you might as well say that Arteta is growing daffodils in his garden therefore he rates flowers ahead of Guendouzi. There's no correlation at all as Guendouzi has been frozen out for non-footballing reasons.
As for Torreira... he's clearly looking for a move and we're clearly happy to cash in. Again, that's not related to the Elneny situation.
Anyway, I actually like Elneny
I agree there is nothing wrong with some positivity - God knows this forum is long overdue! I guess a lot of are thinking we've been stung before though.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:41 pmTbh your right here DB10, but I find it hard coming onto this forum when despite whats happened over the last three months its still doom and gloom. I think forums may not be the thing they once were, with Facebook and Whatsapp groups starting to spring up and it's amazing the contrast in sentiment. We have a WhatsApp group of 14 most of whom season ticket holders, yet the vibe from that group is that Arteta is a man we really do trust and back 100%. The club took a gamble with him, and honestly, I can't think of another manager I would rather have right now.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:15 pmWe have had a few "I told you so" merchants on here but augie ain't one of them. And I've butted heads with him on numerous occasions God knows - but one thing I've never sensed with augie is an ego-driven agenda.
A bit unfair lads.
Still, a lot of work to do but is it really a crime to be optimistic for a change that things are improving.
Yeah it's a case of once bitten. But one thing I took away from Saturdays game was the team played with a swagger that I haven't seen away from home (even against relegation fodder) for a long time. Arteta wasn't my first choice either, but it wasn't Maureen for sure. We well and truly dodged a bullet there.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:48 pmI agree there is nothing wrong with some positivity - God knows this forum is long overdue! I guess a lot of are thinking we've been stung before though.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:41 pmTbh your right here DB10, but I find it hard coming onto this forum when despite whats happened over the last three months its still doom and gloom. I think forums may not be the thing they once were, with Facebook and Whatsapp groups starting to spring up and it's amazing the contrast in sentiment. We have a WhatsApp group of 14 most of whom season ticket holders, yet the vibe from that group is that Arteta is a man we really do trust and back 100%. The club took a gamble with him, and honestly, I can't think of another manager I would rather have right now.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:15 pmWe have had a few "I told you so" merchants on here but augie ain't one of them. And I've butted heads with him on numerous occasions God knows - but one thing I've never sensed with augie is an ego-driven agenda.
A bit unfair lads.
Still, a lot of work to do but is it really a crime to be optimistic for a change that things are improving.
For me I didn't want Arteta. But he has improved us and won a trophy in his first half season and I am now very quietly starting to think he might just be the real deal long term. I'm hoping he is, as I liked him as a player, and he seems to be a quiet professional type - the polar opposite of the moron up the lane!
I have a similar view on Arteta and it would appear negative to criticise him with the improvement s to the team he has made but I do think Augie raises some good points especially about Sak a and Martinelli. Saka has done nothing wrong but since he signed his contract he barely gets a decent run out and when he does he gets played out of position.Martinelli was also not getting time on the pitch before his injury.My worry is that the lack of game time could start to destroy their confidence and we end up losing two very good prospects.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:48 pmI agree there is nothing wrong with some positivity - God knows this forum is long overdue! I guess a lot of are thinking we've been stung before though.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:41 pmTbh your right here DB10, but I find it hard coming onto this forum when despite whats happened over the last three months its still doom and gloom. I think forums may not be the thing they once were, with Facebook and Whatsapp groups starting to spring up and it's amazing the contrast in sentiment. We have a WhatsApp group of 14 most of whom season ticket holders, yet the vibe from that group is that Arteta is a man we really do trust and back 100%. The club took a gamble with him, and honestly, I can't think of another manager I would rather have right now.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:15 pmWe have had a few "I told you so" merchants on here but augie ain't one of them. And I've butted heads with him on numerous occasions God knows - but one thing I've never sensed with augie is an ego-driven agenda.
A bit unfair lads.
Still, a lot of work to do but is it really a crime to be optimistic for a change that things are improving.
For me I didn't want Arteta. But he has improved us and won a trophy in his first half season and I am now very quietly starting to think he might just be the real deal long term. I'm hoping he is, as I liked him as a player, and he seems to be a quiet professional type - the polar opposite of the moron up the lane!
That’s what being a football fan is all about!John F wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:09 pmI have a similar view on Arteta and it would appear negative to criticise him with the improvement s to the team he has made but I do think Augie raises some good points especially about Sak a and Martinelli. Saka has done nothing wrong but since he signed his contract he barely gets a decent run out and when he does he gets played out of position.Martinelli was also not getting time on the pitch before his injury.My worry is that the lack of game time could start to destroy their confidence and we end up losing two very good prospects.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:48 pmI agree there is nothing wrong with some positivity - God knows this forum is long overdue! I guess a lot of are thinking we've been stung before though.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:41 pmTbh your right here DB10, but I find it hard coming onto this forum when despite whats happened over the last three months its still doom and gloom. I think forums may not be the thing they once were, with Facebook and Whatsapp groups starting to spring up and it's amazing the contrast in sentiment. We have a WhatsApp group of 14 most of whom season ticket holders, yet the vibe from that group is that Arteta is a man we really do trust and back 100%. The club took a gamble with him, and honestly, I can't think of another manager I would rather have right now.DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:15 pmWe have had a few "I told you so" merchants on here but augie ain't one of them. And I've butted heads with him on numerous occasions God knows - but one thing I've never sensed with augie is an ego-driven agenda.
A bit unfair lads.
Still, a lot of work to do but is it really a crime to be optimistic for a change that things are improving.
For me I didn't want Arteta. But he has improved us and won a trophy in his first half season and I am now very quietly starting to think he might just be the real deal long term. I'm hoping he is, as I liked him as a player, and he seems to be a quiet professional type - the polar opposite of the moron up the lane!
Hang on a minute, Richardson was definitely an unsung hero in my book maybe moreso than others but don't say that gooners thought he was outstanding at the time. He used to get slagged off rotten from the North Bank in that 89-91 period.gooner265 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:45 amAgree with this , Richardson was outstanding for us and a key player in our title win , especially when Davis was banned for 8 matches.augie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:29 pmnut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:11 pmAugie it's almost as if you are waiting for us to fail to prove a point. Yesterday wasn't about the opposition it was about building a platform, yes we will have tough phases during the season but this isn't a 6,12 or 18 month project its a 3 year one. And can you not acknowledge that during our succesful spells there were bang average players in the squad to fulfill a specific role (Kevin Richardson, David Hillier, Oleg Luzhny, Nelson Vivas etc etc). Arteta seems to see something in Elneny that makes him of use for the coming season, again we have to trust his judgement.augie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:00 amnut flush gooner wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:45 pmIn Arteta I trust 1000%. A revolution is starting boys and girls.
All fine and dandy, but when we had a bad spell I wonder will he still retain the support of the fans with xhaka and elninny in midfield, and saka being the waterboy
By all accounts maitland-niles, bellend and laca are all available for sale, and yet all 3 started yesterday
Lets also acknowledge that while yesterday was a very commanding and impressive performance for our first game of the season, it was against a team that is odds on to be relegated this season
I would be highly surprised if these players are still at the club in 2 seasons time, that includes Xhaka.
A point I made yesterday on the match thread - I actually said that in some way yesterday could have been a harder game for us than for fulham cos a lack of preperation hurts footballers (us) more than workers (them), so I was happy with the professional attitude and performance we gave. What I am nowhere doing however, is getting way ahead of myself (the 1000% comment) on the back of 1 performance against a team very likely to go down.
The point I made about team selection is that arteta has better players at his disposal and yet is choosing to play grade A donkeys like xhaka and el ninny - are you telling me the fact that arteta views el ninny as better than ceballos, torreira and guendouzi doesnt concern you ? I dont know any other club in the top half of the league that would even consider picking xhaka in their first 11, and I doubt if there is a club in the league that would want el ninny For me saka is a million miles better than pepe, but yet arteta doesnt seem to rate him as highly given that he hasnt got a game in the cup semi final or final, and didnt get on yesterday either. As you know, I have real concerns that arteta doesnt believe or trust the young players and they are the easy ones to cast aside and this is another baffling decision imo
Btw, lumping richardson in with crazy horse luzhny, the luggage thief and vivas is beyond insulting - richardson came to us as an experienced player who had won a league and quietly did a great job for us
I think Willian will be great for Saka who has only just turned 19 remember , it's a long season and we don't want him ruined by overplaying him as we did Wilshire. I'm not convinced with Nelson yet , but they will all get their opportunity , I do not believe for one minute Arteta is against young players, he has signed a young centre back and also looks like we may get Auaour as well, also he clearly likes Eddie and has played him if front of Laca several times.
There is a lot of work to be done but Arteta excites me and he doesn't take any prisoners either hence Guendouzi and Ozil not i the squad Saturday.
Ohh he did even in 1989. And I used to stand right in the middle.Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:57 pmCan't say that I recall Ricco getting much of a hard time from the NB. Gus, Hayes and dear old Quinny yes but Ricco....no.
nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:25 pmOhh he did even in 1989. And I used to stand right in the middle.Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:57 pmCan't say that I recall Ricco getting much of a hard time from the NB. Gus, Hayes and dear old Quinny yes but Ricco....no.
Thing is unless you where there and it wasn't like gooners were singing you don't know what you're doing or anything like that, it was just a series of pure groans when he misplaced a pass. Rico did a job for the team, it was an ugly job so a lot of fans couldn't appreciate it really. So when he makes a mistake it gets amplified. Defintely affected his confidence over that period imo.Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:35 pmnut flush gooner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:25 pmOhh he did even in 1989. And I used to stand right in the middle.Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:57 pmCan't say that I recall Ricco getting much of a hard time from the NB. Gus, Hayes and dear old Quinny yes but Ricco....no.
As did I. I just cannot remember him getting that much grief especially given the 'quality' of the others I mentioned who I certainly can recall getting plenty of abuse.