armchair supporter wrote:
Comparing win percentages? - ffs. I prefer to compare trophys. Actual ones.
The point is to show that you simply can't win that many games without being a good manager. I prefer to use logic when making my arguments.
augie wrote:To answer your question, no I dont think that he would continue signing the likes of chamakh..........but I do believe that he will continue buying the gervinho's of this world
If you are asking me what the difference is then I will say that wenger bought chamakh when he was on a freebie and made it clear that he wasnt worth what bordeaux wanted the previous jan so for me that was an economic's based decision - gervinho however was bought for what would be classed as big money in wengerworld and was bought because wenger rated him (
) rather than him being cheap.
Hmm, so you reckon if Kroenke and Gazidis had given Wenger carte blanche then he wouldn't have spent more than the £10.7m on signing Gervinho? That if he was told he could bid any amount of money, like £30m for a single player, that he wouldn't have ensured the likes of Alonso and Mata signed for us and would not have missed out on them over a few million? I find that hard to belive mate. Everything that the club does points to financial prudence, whether it's the prolonged negotiation over transfer fees, being outbid by the likes of Utd, City and Chelsea, the wage structure, transfer budgets having to take into account both fees and wages etc.. and it shows that ultimately all decisions at the club are down to that fact. So in a situation where the owner or someone like Usmanov said that they were willing to spend whatever was required, I think there is no way in hell we would continue to carry on the same way. We would be able to offer the same wages as the others (£200k+), not be outbid by our rivals, and it would literally allow us access to a whole different class of players. Imagine if Kroenke and the board had the same mentality that the Arabs and Abramovich had and ensured they only bought top class players. In that situation, we would not have missed out on so many players as we could easily have offered more money!
(b) he doesnt like buying from the top shelf cos he wants players that he can mould his way and signing the finished articles wouldnt tie in with that. I believe that if our owners came together and agreed a financial package to buy the portugese ladyboy from madrid and pay his wages and offered him to wenger as a signing, wenger would decline their offer so the unlimited financial situation wouldnt make a huge differece to wenger imo
If he only wants players that he can mould then why has he shifted to buying older players like Arshavin, Arteta and Podolski? These are all players that you could class as being 'finished articles' in that their player-style development has stopped. Also there are plenty of expensive young quality players that he could buy and still mould (Hazard) so that line of argument doesn't hold. With regards to the Ronaldo situation I find it hard to believe that if you offered Ronaldo or Messi, free of any strings attached, to any manager in the world, that they wouldn't bite your hand off. I am genuinely interested in knowing why you would think Wenger would turn down the possibility of having Ronaldo play for him, assuming like you said that all the financial concerns were ok.
You dispute my suggestion that wenger cannot motivate his players so why do we continually struggle against the likes of norwich, qpr, wigan, wolves, blackburn and more recently villa ? Any team can get caught on an off day and get turned over by a minnow but it happens far far too often with our team for it to be classed as a freak result
In an ideal world players motivate themselves and each other for all games but when that doesnt happen then the onus is on the manager to get in there and shake up the players but clearly that hasnt happened so why not ? Is he bollocking them and they are ignoring him ? Major alarm bells ringing if that is the case
There has been plenty of examples of our rivals also struggling against the very same teams you listed above. Indeed, there's been enough examples to choose from this season alone. I'll take Utd as an example. They've found themselves trailing in games on so many ocassions already, does this mean Ferguson can't motivate his players after the first couple of times to buck up their ideas and stop conceding so easily? Why hasn't he motivated his team after the first few times to be tighter? Why hasn't he motivated them to not be so complacent against smaller teams?
Motivation isn't the issue here. The difference is that when Utd find themselves behind or in a sticky situation they can bring on Rooney or V** P***** or Hernandez or Welbeck or Young or Nani or Giggs. When we go behind we have a choice from Ramsey, Gervinho, Giroud, Walcott or young players who aren't quite good enough (Ox, Gnabry).
That inevitibly means Utd are more likely to turn round games when they can bring on players of that quality. Same with City. Oh, Aguero and Balotelli not working today? That's fine, i'll just throw on Tevez and Dzeko. Maybe even Kolarov to add even more to the attack. Our out and out strikers are Giroud and Chamack. So it's not hard to see why when City and Utd are struggling they can somehow find a way back in compared to us who end up losing or drawing in the sam situation.
) away from the players take away the hunger necessary to win one ? Does constantly talking about the unfair financial circumstances in todays football world, transfer itself to the players who in turn believe that they cannot compete then ?
