THE WENGER THREAD

[IW8Goalmachine]

gus ceasar is a legend wrote:

IW8Goalmachine wrote:
he has to deliver this year and if he doesn't i can see him sanding don himself


Maybe but I cannot see him turning it all in to ply a trade in homosexual S&M!

Shocked Laughing

thats what happens when you type hanging out one side of the bed

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[DB10GOONER]

I cannot believe some of what I'm reading here.
Wenger is undoubtedtly a legend at Arsenal and is responsible not only for totally revolutionising our club but for changing the attitudes within football. I have immense respect for the guy and will admire him until the day I die.
BUT, and it really is a big but (a bit like Mrs Spudmasher ), he is not irreplaceable. Every leader of every type of organisation, be it a government, army, multinational corporation or football club, has a shelf life. At some point fresh input is needed to keep up with the times.

How many of you are frustrated at work because of the 'old school' that say "We've always done it like that"? These are the people that hold your company back aren't they. Their attitude to change is born out of a fear of the unknown. That approach prevents an organisation from evolving and it gets left behind. It's competitors in the market thrive because of their ability to move with the times and we all know the eventual end result. If you want proof of it then look no further than British Leyland.
Arsenal has to evolve. Period! If in order to do so we have to lose our most successful ever manager then so be it! We would all prefer that the club changes with him at the helm but he cannot remain for ever. Cryogenics is not that advanced yet
I'm not calling for his head, or those of the current board, but I am stating that we are on the precipice of self destruction if we do not change some of our policies and modernise the way we do things. I admire the integrity of the "old ways" but I prefer the rewards of the new.

Bang on Spuddy.

All this nonsense that Wenger is Arsenal!!

No he is not.

He is our most successful manager and he did it playing the best football the English game (and possibly the European game too) has ever seen. I'll always love the man and respect him for that. But things change. He will not be here forever. We will move on and have the memories of a great man.

But no one man is Arsenal. That's a bit silly really...

[Magic Hat]

ouch to some of the personal attacks. While some of the "mistakes" listed by the starter of the topic seem odd choices, he is perfectly entitled to ask if Arsene should be replaced next summer.

For me? It would have had to been a dreadful season before I considered it this summer. Arsene made mistakes and I'm worried we will be going with a spine of Almunia/Toure-Gallas/Denilson-Cesc and think any keeping of that centreback partnership will be a horrid mistake. Has he spent a limited budget wisely? Not entirely as it hasn't solved the problems worrying me. However he got us into a title race last season and two finals in last three years, I'm content with that right now.

[Calo]

Cant we give him this season to be proved right or wrong

I think its going to be a CAK season but I wanna give gim a chance

sorry im not booing ade but Im not going to cheer either

[mrgnu1958]

well said

[I Hate Hleb]

Now I get as frustrated with Wenger at times as even the most ardent critic of our manager. But the question yet to be answered convincingly enough for me is: given the financial constaints any new manager is going to be faced with, who out there is going to do a better job than Wenger?

Unless people are advocating a Usmanov take-over (and I know there is a small minority of gooners that want it, but personally I'm against that), the position with regards our spending ability will remain roughly the same.

Much as I love Tony Adams and indeed have defended his managerial potential on here before, the guy is not ready to step straight into the managers seat, as suggested by MyOldMan. So, who else is there?

The thing is, by getting rid of Wenger if we don't win a trophy this season, we also run the risk of losing Cesc - and maybe even more players who owe their career to him - than we already have done (although in Eboue's case that might not be a bad thing!!) Now obviously, that doesn't mean that Wenger should stay in charge adinfinatium, regardless of how we do, but it's still something that has to taken into consideration.

There are no easy answers to our current prediciment and whilst I agree questions should be asked if we don't have a good season, I think throwing the baby out with the bath water - as some have suggested - might not be the wisest of moves for our club. One thing is for sure, regardless of who is appointed to replace Wenger, we'd be taking a massive risk in the current financial climate.

[Calo]

BUT if we get knocked out by FC Twenty i'll change me mind though

[26may1989]

Has this thread just been copied and pasted from last summer's archive??

So many good and bad points made, I'd love to do one of my stupidly long posts going through each of them, but since I'm doing this on a mobile from holiday and the beach beckons, I'll limit myself to one point: when is one of you pessimists/unrealists going to answer the question asked on the first or second page as to who could replace Wenger now, with less to spend than Sunderland and Pompey, and probably with the heart of the Arsenal squad and coaches out of the door with Wenger? Come on, just one or two names..... Anyone of Wenger's calibre and experience to suggest?

[g88ner]

BUT if we get knocked out by FC Twenty i'll change me mind though

You can't base your decision on whether you want the boss to stay or go, on one match

You must have formed an educated opinion on Wenger by now...one game shouldn't alter that. I'd respect anyone's opinion on whether Wenger should leave or not - as long as it's been thought through - but I can't respect an opinion that changes on the basis of 90 minutes of football...sorry.

[Cesc is God]

Fuck me some people on here should stop worrying about a central midfielder and start thinking about the solution to eternal life so we can wheel Wenger out still as manager when he is 144!

Wenger has been a genius yes but all good things come to an end and to hope he stays for ever is both impractical and fanciful!

Well I obviously agree with you but don't over-exagerated things and make me look like a fool.

[MyOldMan]

Suggestions to replace Wenger next Season if we fail to qualify for champs league and finish 5th?

Martin O'Neil

Harry Rednapp/tony adams partnership

Mark Hughes

Big Sam Alladyce

Paul Ince

Martin Jol

Roy Keane

Marc Van Basten

Jurgen Klingsman

Terry Venabals

Alan Shearer

For me I think Van Basten is the only one that makes me raise an eyebrow.

Any suggestions?

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Has this thread just been copied and pasted from last summer's archive??

So many good and bad points made, I'd love to do one of my stupidly long posts going through each of them, but since I'm doing this on a mobile from holiday and the beach beckons, I'll limit myself to one point: when is one of you pessimists/unrealists going to answer the question asked on the first or second page as to who could replace Wenger now, with less to spend than Sunderland and Pompey, and probably with the heart of the Arsenal squad and coaches out of the door with Wenger? Come on, just one or two names..... Anyone of Wenger's calibre and experience to suggest?

Mourinho!

Don't say he can't work to a budget as he won the biggest pot of them all with Porto on a relaive shoe-string!

Before people start screaming the question does not involve personal choice but facts of who can win trophies with a budget squad!

[26may1989]

Suggestions to replace Wenger next Season if we fail to qualify for champs league and finish 5th?

Martin O'Neil

Harry Rednapp/tony adams partnership

Mark Hughes

Big Sam Alladyce

Paul Ince

Martin Jol

Roy Keane

Marc Van Basten

Jurgen Klingsman

Terry Venabals

Alan Shearer

For me I think Van Basten is the only one that makes me raise an eyebrow.

Any suggestions?

That list pretty much proves my point - Ince, Venables, Shearer, Jol, and Allardyce being especially funny. There are only two credible names there, van Basten and Klinsmann, and I doubt either would join with such limited funds.

Sack Wenger and replace him with Allardyce - fucking classic!!!

[Cus Geezer]

And that is why I hate it when people slag the man off. He is Arsenal FC in my opinion and without him, we would not challenge for the EPL IMO.

Anyone who doubts him is a real disappointment.

ditto

That is all I have to say. If you guys think we should bersist with him after FIVE trophyless seasons, I believe you are thinking with your heart and not your head.

I back Wenger and I'm thinking 100% with my head.

God alone knows what part of your anatomy you're thinking with.

[Magic Hat]

Mourinho!

Don't say he can't work to a budget as he won the biggest pot of them all with Porto on a relaive shoe-string!

Before people start screaming the question does not involve personal choice but facts of who can win trophies with a budget squad!

actually, that is an excellent idea, we could probably afford his wages but would he come to us is the only fly in the ointment.