Are we buying anyone else yes or no?
It's all very well saying that Wenger will not spend major money on players and we will never buy a £30m player but the game has changed in a lot even in just the last few years. Look around you in the world today and you will see price increases in cigs,alcohol,wages(especially players wages) and everything else so if we cannot get our heads around the fact that we need to spend more money in transfer fee's then we will not keep up/. It's all very well believing that we are The Arsenal and we wont be held to ransom over transfer fee's by anyone but that noble air will only lead us back into the wilderness and as any of those that have lived through one of those times will tell you it aint a good time. Totally agrere that we owe Arsene Wenger an enormous debt of gratitude and will also agree that the board did serve the club well for many years but again time has moved on and it is not fair or realistic to expect Arsene to keep performing miracles on a limited budget. "Charlie Nick" has said after speaking to a friend of Arsene's that he expects him to sign a new contract BUT he is still very annoyed at the David Dein situation. It is time for the board now to remove themselves from this situation so that the club can move forward(hopefully onto a new level) before things turn very sour and they be remenbered as the men who allowed Arsene's house to crumble
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Ok the difference between a fan and a supporter is someone who follows the club from one end of the country to the other come rain or shine and to Russia in the middle of winter, stays to the end of every game even tho it hurts like a bastard!Eboue Can't Defend wrote:Belfast Boy,
Sorry if I came across as overly aggressive but it felt like you were having a pop at those of us that have real concerns about the coming season by the 'fans not supporters' comment.
It was as if you were accusing me/us of somehow being fickle for being fearful that we might not be as competitive as we should be and once were in the very recent past. I just felt that those comments were not in keeping with the general thrust of the debate.
The debate on this particular thread was whether we thought there were going to be any more signings at Arsenal. Some fans, like yourself, think there will be, while others like me fear there will not. Especially if we take Arsene's own recent words as an indication of his intentions.
I agree with all that you have written above about Arsenal punching above our weight, the great work done on the stadium by Arsene and the Board, over-inflated transfer fees and Arsene's preference for not spending above a certain price on a player, and the competition being tougher now more than ever.
And on that last point, surely that is a reason why we should be trying to strengthen the team and squad. We face a real threat to our position among the top 4 this season, never mind worrying about whether we'll win the league or not.
Even if Arsene doesn't have as massive a transfer budget as other competitors, there is nothing stopping him spending the alleged £20 million he was promised by the Board and any funds garnered from all the transfer sales this summer. We are still well in profit as far as those transactions are concerned and we don't need to wait until the Highbury Square Flats are sold off to be able to spend it.
Finally, I really hope you are proven right about Arsenal making another signing or two in due course. As I have made clear numerous times on this forum, I'm a massive supporter of Arsene Wenger and truely hope he can pull this off. If anyone can, he can. I just happen to believe it would be an easier thing to do if he added a couple more quality players to the squad. Doesn't make me any less of a fan - or is that supposed to be supporter? Don't think there is too much difference between the two myself!!
I stayed to the bitter end for PSV in a half and I mean half, empty ground, it was a disappointing nite but hardly surprising cos we were struggling, but very little compares to 6th April 2004, I really thought this was our year and can still remember the hurt like it was yesterday, cos I was sittin in the North Bank when Wayne Bridge cracked one in right below me about 3 mins before full time, and again I stayed and even shouted at the early leavers not to disgrace ourselves in front of those fuckin scumbags by cuttin and runnin!
A fan however sits in his armchair or is only there for the good times so that Arsenal can give them something altho IMHO without experiencing the downs that I've mentioned you'll not get the full hit when we're flyin and that's what football's about when it's in your soul and isn't it those people who we're aiming barbed comments at concerning lack of atmosphere at N5 and N7, "fans" who want to be entertained rather than gettin behind their team AND club when they need it most!
This is the point I was tryin to make, now I know that a lot of guys on here are Isllington born and bred die-hard Gooners, lifetime season ticket holders and silver/red regulars and I'm not for one moment suggesting that I have a monopoly on pain when we lose, but am I the only person who has not lost sight of exactly where we are in terms of cash flow, and the worldwide shortage of quality players that would actually improve our team???
I mean who else have the others really bought??? I'm sorry but if they were signin the Messi's, Kaka's, and Ronaldinho's of this world, then I'd be worried but 30M fee for Tevez, 50M+ deal for Torres - come fuckin off it....... in fact I shouldn't have pluralised those top three players cos they are an endangered species hence the astronomical fees and wages that they'd command!
Now I know that most are concerned with squad depth, and I agree we would all like to see more cover but we have to trust AW who IMHO is doing a brilliant job instead of wondering whether he's senile especially when it's the whole world round him goin crazy!
He knows things have a way of comin around, evidenced by his, "the banks have been very generous this year" dig, and that stance has been backed up in todays press by other managers who are critisizing the likes of the Hammers and Pompey for distorting the market!
It's all well and good sayin Arsene knows and in Arsene we trust but some are showing signs of weakness in that respect, yet no-one can name a single other manager who they would prefer to have in his place, or name another club that is run better than ours???
The bottom line is I think that, all things considered we should be patient for just a little while longer before passing judgement, I also think AW is fully aware that we are expecting things and that he has to deliver a decent improvement at least, and he certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt, and then anything else will be a bonus cos we're the underdogs and Arsenal have ALWAYS performed better when the pressure's been off in fact, coping with pressure has been a problem for us in the past, especially in Europe, we're far better when our backs are up against the wall, with nothing to lose!
Lee Dixon and Nige have even told the back pages to watch out for us this year because, and I quote "Arsenal are going to surprise a few people this year because they are a lot better than people are giving them credit for and I expect them to finish at least in the top two nevermind worryin about qualifying for the CL" go on Lee my son
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what about fred at psv
Hi all
a mate of mind lives in holland and he loves arsenal and psv
we where talking about the gunners and he said have you herd anything about fred from Psv going 2 you no
my mate said that he is a great player
to be frank l said no so l want to ask is has anyone herd about him
fred
hope you are all well
michael jones
a mate of mind lives in holland and he loves arsenal and psv
we where talking about the gunners and he said have you herd anything about fred from Psv going 2 you no
my mate said that he is a great player
to be frank l said no so l want to ask is has anyone herd about him
fred
hope you are all well
michael jones
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ARSENAL FAN-FAIR??
THAT'S A BAD EXAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FAN AND A SUPPORTER. WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON THAT COULDN'T, LIKE YOU, AFFORD TO GO TO RUSSIA, OR HAD FAMILY COMMITMENTS. YET THEY, LIKE YOU, STAY TILL THE END OF EVERY GAME THAT THEY ATTEND - DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE LESS OF A SUPPORTER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES YOU HAVE TO GO UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY OR ACROSS EUROPE?Belfast Boy wrote:"..Ok the difference between a fan and a supporter is someone who follows the club from one end of the country to the other come rain or shine and to Russia in the middle of winter, stays to the end of every game even tho it hurts like a bastard!"
WAYNE BRIDGE SCORED THAT GOAL IN THE CLOCK-END, NOT THE NORTH BANK!! IF ONE WANTED TO BE CRUEL, I COULD SAY A REAL SUPPORTER MIGHT HAVE REMEMBERED THAT!! BUT I'M NOT THAT TYPE OF GUY.Belfast Boy wrote:"..but very little compares to 6th April 2004, I really thought this was our year and can still remember the hurt like it was yesterday, cos I was sittin in the North Bank when Wayne Bridge cracked one in right below me about 3 mins before full time..
AGAIN, BAD EXAMPLE. MAYBE NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD TO GO TO GAMES, OR LIVE TOO FAR AWAY TO ATTEND MATCHES. YET THEY MIGHT GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE EMOTION - AND MAYBE EVEN MORE - THEN THOSE OF US THAT ARE LUCKY TO ATTEND THE MATCHES GO THROUGH.Belfast Boy wrote:"..A fan however sits in his armchair
SOME OF MY MATES WHO HAVE BEEN GOING FOR DECADES YET DON'T GO TO MATCHES ANYMORE - AND THAT USING YOUR CRITERIA WOULD BE LABELLED 'FANS' NOT 'REAL SUPPORTERS' - ARE PHYSICALLY SICK DAYS BEFORE A GAME AND THROUGHTOUT THE 90 MINUTES OUT OF FEAR OF ARSENAL GETTING THE WRONG RESULT.
AND THOSE SAME 'FANS' WILL BE PISSED OFF AND IN A BAD MOOD FOR DAYS AFTERWARDS IF WE DON'T WIN - JUST LIKE THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN TO THE GAMES. YOU CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT YOU ARE SOMEHOW MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT ARSENAL THAN THEY ARE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TO MATCHES!!
NO-ONE IS ASKING OR EXPECTING ARSENE TO BUY THOSE TYPES OF PLAYERS!! WHAT A LOT OF FANS WANT ARE A COUPLE OF QUALITY AND EXPERIENCED PLAYERS TO STRENGHTEN THE SQUAD AND HAVE SOME COMPETITION FOR PLACES. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T ANY SUCH PLAYERS LEFT OUT THERE?Belfast Boy wrote:"..I mean who else have the others really bought??? I'm sorry but if they were signin the Messi's, Kaka's, and Ronaldinho's of this world, then I'd be worried...
ONLY THE REALLY FICKLE WANT RID OF ARSENE WENGER, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO POINT OUT MISTAKES WE BELIEVE HE/THE BOARD HAVE MADE. AND THEY HAVE MADE SOME YOU KNOW.Belfast Boy wrote:"..It's all well and good sayin Arsene knows and in Arsene we trust but some are showing signs of weakness in that respect, yet no-one can name a single other manager who they would prefer to have in his place, or name another club that is run better than ours???
YES, IT'S GREAT THAT ARSENAL ARE A WELL-RUN CLUB, BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF CLUBS THAT ARE WELL RUN BUT NEVER WIN ANYTHING. ARSENAL ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BIGGER AND BETTER THAN THAT. ALSO, BEING WELL-RUN AND SUCCESSFUL ARE NOT INCOMPATIBLE OR MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE THINGS. THE TWO CAN GO TOGETHER.
AGREE 100% WITH THAT BIT!Belfast Boy wrote:"..The bottom line is I think that, all things considered we should be patient for just a little while longer before passing judgement, I also think AW is fully aware that we are expecting things and that he has to deliver a decent improvement at least, and he certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt..
Belfast Boy wrote:"..and then anything else will be a bonus cos we're the underdogs and Arsenal have ALWAYS performed better when the pressure's been off in fact, coping with pressure has been a problem for us in the past, especially in Europe, we're far better when our backs are up against the wall, with nothing to lose!
THINK YOU HAVE GOT THAT ARSE OVER BACKWARDS, BELFAST BOY. YOU HAVE YOUR BACKS TO THE WALL WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON, NOT OFF!! IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO PERFORM WHEN THERE IS NOT MUCH EXPECTATION - BUT FAR HARDER WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON AND YOU ARE EXPECTED TO PERFORM. THAT'S ONE OF THE TRAITS THAT SEPARATES THE WINNERS FROM LOSERS, AND THE GREAT FROM THE GOOD!
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Re: ARSENAL FAN-FAIR??
I think you'll find that I haven't - I clearly said that we play better when our backs are against the wall and we have nothing to lose, how can our backs be against the wall when we are playin Oxford Utd or somethin when as you correctly stated we have something to lose ie our reputation, case in point our backs were against the wall that nite in the San Siro cos we had to get a result!I Hate Hleb wrote:THAT'S A BAD EXAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FAN AND A SUPPORTER. WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON THAT COULDN'T, LIKE YOU, AFFORD TO GO TO RUSSIA, OR HAD FAMILY COMMITMENTS. YET THEY, LIKE YOU, STAY TILL THE END OF EVERY GAME THAT THEY ATTEND - DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE LESS OF A SUPPORTER BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES YOU HAVE TO GO UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY OR ACROSS EUROPE?Belfast Boy wrote:"..Ok the difference between a fan and a supporter is someone who follows the club from one end of the country to the other come rain or shine and to Russia in the middle of winter, stays to the end of every game even tho it hurts like a bastard!"
Don't start that rubbish, about the poor people who couldn't afford to go boo hoo every Gooner I know to the last man, was ragin about not gettin tickets for the CL final inc. the season ticket holders among us, but we all knew that because it was in Paris that everybody would want to go same as Spurs, Charlton, Fulham, Hammers and Chelsea which is why you need a high no. of credits to go to these games!
So you have to go to games such as Boro, Bolton to get the rewards of the derby matches cos no-one else wants to go and it's cos of the effort not the money that's the only reason why I mentioned Russia because it's not exactly close or exotic and where the CL is concerned I'll get no extra credits for goin to Moscow than if I stayed in London or drove to Lens, whereas some clubs credit schemes are different and recognise this!
By the way I never said I was the greatest ever Gooner there are loads of people who are far more dedicated to the cause than I am and haven't missed a game home or away for years, simply unbelievable, I know that I earn more than some of them but they probably sacrifice more than me, not least all the holidays they must use up goin round Europe that's what I call dedication!
WAYNE BRIDGE SCORED THAT GOAL IN THE CLOCK-END, NOT THE NORTH BANK!! IF ONE WANTED TO BE CRUEL, I COULD SAY A REAL SUPPORTER MIGHT HAVE REMEMBERED THAT!! BUT I'M NOT THAT TYPE OF GUY.Belfast Boy wrote:"..but very little compares to 6th April 2004, I really thought this was our year and can still remember the hurt like it was yesterday, cos I was sittin in the North Bank when Wayne Bridge cracked one in right below me about 3 mins before full time..
We nearly always play in to the North Bank in the second half, but I remembered that nite to be different, I thought back and honestly thought that they scored below me and still do for some reason but I'm wrong - so my bad!
AGAIN, BAD EXAMPLE. MAYBE NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD TO GO TO GAMES, OR LIVE TOO FAR AWAY TO ATTEND MATCHES. YET THEY MIGHT GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE EMOTION - AND MAYBE EVEN MORE - THEN THOSE OF US THAT ARE LUCKY TO ATTEND THE MATCHES GO THROUGH.Belfast Boy wrote:"..A fan however sits in his armchair
Well you already made that point and I've already responded to it!
SOME OF MY MATES WHO HAVE BEEN GOING FOR DECADES YET DON'T GO TO MATCHES ANYMORE - AND THAT USING YOUR CRITERIA WOULD BE LABELLED 'FANS' NOT 'REAL SUPPORTERS' - ARE PHYSICALLY SICK DAYS BEFORE A GAME AND THROUGHTOUT THE 90 MINUTES OUT OF FEAR OF ARSENAL GETTING THE WRONG RESULT.
My workplace like any other is a hotbed for some pretty heated debates, and one thing that has been said to me by many Chelsea, Spurs and Mancs is that they can take my arguments, because they know I go to the games and specifically said that they refused to take stick from people who had never even been to their ground, and that was the sort of fan I was referring to not guys who had went for years and are now in ill-health or have four kids or something!
I don't get to every game due to family and work commitments and so I too love watchin the game on Sky in the pub sometimes it's the best seat in the house and my stomach too churns like a washin machine in fact it does seem to be worse when you are not actually there!
AND THOSE SAME 'FANS' WILL BE PISSED OFF AND IN A BAD MOOD FOR DAYS AFTERWARDS IF WE DON'T WIN - JUST LIKE THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN TO THE GAMES. YOU CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT YOU ARE SOMEHOW MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT ARSENAL THAN THEY ARE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TO MATCHES!!
I'm startin to realise that most of your statements are in reference to the remark that I made at the start of my post and again I have to point out I was referring to the difference between the "fans" who actually attend matches home and away and as far as it's possible to get ie Russia and not just the "easy" games and when they do they stay to the very end, is this not one of the hottest topics at the moment, questioning the commitment of the early leavers even that Chelsea c**t Woolnough wrote an entire column on it after the PSV match!
NO-ONE IS ASKING OR EXPECTING ARSENE TO BUY THOSE TYPES OF PLAYERS!! WHAT A LOT OF FANS WANT ARE A COUPLE OF QUALITY AND EXPERIENCED PLAYERS TO STRENGHTEN THE SQUAD AND HAVE SOME COMPETITION FOR PLACES. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T ANY SUCH PLAYERS LEFT OUT THERE?Belfast Boy wrote:"..I mean who else have the others really bought??? I'm sorry but if they were signin the Messi's, Kaka's, and Ronaldinho's of this world, then I'd be worried...
I never said I wanted AW to buy those players, I clearly stated that if the rest of the top four had bought them then I would be worried but seein as they haven't and have bought lesser players then I'm not, even AW commented on his transfer policy this week sayin that he looks at a player and sez, can he help us win the league and if the answer is no or he is no better than what we already have then we won't buy him cos as he said we do not collect players!
ONLY THE REALLY FICKLE WANT RID OF ARSENE WENGER, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AREN'T ALLOWED TO POINT OUT MISTAKES WE BELIEVE HE/THE BOARD HAVE MADE. AND THEY HAVE MADE SOME YOU KNOW.Belfast Boy wrote:"..It's all well and good sayin Arsene knows and in Arsene we trust but some are showing signs of weakness in that respect, yet no-one can name a single other manager who they would prefer to have in his place, or name another club that is run better than ours???
I agree and have already said that nobody is perfect but he is the only one who can give us CL regularly on our currently limited budget, and also that the only problem I have with the stick that the board have been gettin is that the vast majority of it is down to pure frustration and does not stand up to close scrutiny!
YES, IT'S GREAT THAT ARSENAL ARE A WELL-RUN CLUB, BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF CLUBS THAT ARE WELL RUN BUT NEVER WIN ANYTHING. ARSENAL ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BIGGER AND BETTER THAN THAT. ALSO, BEING WELL-RUN AND SUCCESSFUL ARE NOT INCOMPATIBLE OR MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE THINGS. THE TWO CAN GO TOGETHER.
Jesus Christ we've just borrowed £400M to build a stadium just so we could keep pace with the Utds and Chavskis in the future, and it's strange that you don't understand that until we at least get the payoff for the flats that things are gonna be tight, but it's my belief we will reap the benefits for not sellin out for one simple reason, investors are just that, investors not benefactors, there is a big difference!
AGREE 100% WITH THAT BIT!Belfast Boy wrote:"..The bottom line is I think that, all things considered we should be patient for just a little while longer before passing judgement, I also think AW is fully aware that we are expecting things and that he has to deliver a decent improvement at least, and he certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt..
Belfast Boy wrote:"..and then anything else will be a bonus cos we're the underdogs and Arsenal have ALWAYS performed better when the pressure's been off in fact, coping with pressure has been a problem for us in the past, especially in Europe, we're far better when our backs are up against the wall, with nothing to lose!
THINK YOU HAVE GOT THAT ARSE OVER BACKWARDS, BELFAST BOY. YOU HAVE YOUR BACKS TO THE WALL WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON, NOT OFF!! IT'S ALWAYS EASIER TO PERFORM WHEN THERE IS NOT MUCH EXPECTATION - BUT FAR HARDER WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON AND YOU ARE EXPECTED TO PERFORM. THAT'S ONE OF THE TRAITS THAT SEPARATES THE WINNERS FROM LOSERS, AND THE GREAT FROM THE GOOD!
It is the same for any player or team in any sport and the annals are full of players who have come back from a seemingly impossible position, who have said that because they were on the verge of defeat that their nerves disappeared and they played without fear which as we all know is the key to confidence!
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copy pasted from arseblog . a great article about the difference between a fan and a supporter :
Occasionally I find myself moved to contemplate the difference between a football supporter and a football fan. To some people the distinction is extremely important. A supporter makes a serious commitment. Cancer charities have supporters. Fandom is shallow. Donny Osmond had fans.
A fan is someone who “likesâ€
Occasionally I find myself moved to contemplate the difference between a football supporter and a football fan. To some people the distinction is extremely important. A supporter makes a serious commitment. Cancer charities have supporters. Fandom is shallow. Donny Osmond had fans.
A fan is someone who “likesâ€
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u know i like matt taylor but cant see it 2 be honest,, saw that interview wit aw ,, one good winger would do it 4 me,, sorry ram but nakamura isnt good enough 2 play 4 the arsenal,, good player in ashite league ,,All_Arsenal_1886 wrote:On skysports this morning they are sayin Arsene said he wants to sign 1 or 2 more players but didn't say who fingers crossed for Matty Taylor
I cannot believe we are still talking about matty taylor. He is a good player in an average team and would not have the class or quality to step up and play for a club like The Arsenal imo. If we are serious about climbing our way back up to the summit of english football never mind europe then we need to sign someone like queresma or drethne (think it was chopper that already made those suggestions that I 100% agree with) who would propel us into a team with a real chance of honours this season. I have to be honest and say that I am now gone back to the idea that we need another striker(not because we have nobody fit this weekend) but I would be looking for an eto or an andy johnson who are proven quality as opposed to bedtner who, i know a lot of you rate, but I am sceptical about his qualities and am suspicous that we will need to change our game plan to make use of his talents.
By the way I would like to put it on the record that I totally resent the statement that we are a club that have punched above our weight - that sort of a statement is generally reserved for smaller clubs(nottingham forest in their day & wimbledon if you like) not for a club that has a long history of being pioneers in british football. The only things that has made us a slightly smaller club than some others in the past is a small stadium and a small minded policy from the successive boards.
By the way I would like to put it on the record that I totally resent the statement that we are a club that have punched above our weight - that sort of a statement is generally reserved for smaller clubs(nottingham forest in their day & wimbledon if you like) not for a club that has a long history of being pioneers in british football. The only things that has made us a slightly smaller club than some others in the past is a small stadium and a small minded policy from the successive boards.
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Been saying it before and after tthe Eduardo signing we need a PROVEN goalscorer!
Anyone who cannot see we are lightweight in that department needs a serious wake up call!
Yes they are saying on Sky today Wenger has hinted at 1 0r 2 more coming in but Im afraid Im not that excited! Squad players would be my bet!
This summer seems to get worse daily for me! We cant even get our paperwork correct let alone the footballing side! I find it all a bit embarassing at the moment!
We are also saying we have 3 captains now! What the fuck is all that about?
Arsene if your going to do something please for gods sake do it quick!
Anyone who cannot see we are lightweight in that department needs a serious wake up call!
Yes they are saying on Sky today Wenger has hinted at 1 0r 2 more coming in but Im afraid Im not that excited! Squad players would be my bet!
This summer seems to get worse daily for me! We cant even get our paperwork correct let alone the footballing side! I find it all a bit embarassing at the moment!
We are also saying we have 3 captains now! What the fuck is all that about?
Arsene if your going to do something please for gods sake do it quick!
dont see a problem wit the captains,, just a figure head, we dont know wat players gee up the others in the dressin room,, think gallas would make a good captain,, the paperwork is slow 4 every club when a player hasnt played 75% of internationals,, aw will buy who he feels will beniifit his team,, we all hav our opinions on who we would like,, 1 good winger would do it 4 me,, give bendner a chance and if that doesnt work then we can complain,, ive seen enough shite arsenal teams thru the years that i thank god 4 the day arsenae wenger came 2 the marble halls, i for one will not panic and thrust my club in the hands of the greatest manager this club our any club has ever had..
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