THE WENGER THREAD

[officepest]

It seems one of the criteria to replace Wenger is to concede 5 goals in the first leg of the last 16 of the Champions League...Enter into the frame Monaco manager Jardim.

And yet a two-nil win at home will see them through, whereas Monsieur Magoo needs a fucking miracle.

[NickF]

Another trick of the media, (in a pathetic defence of Wenger) is to claim that no top manager would take the job, as they wouldn't work with Kroenke. I never understood why people act as though Kroenke has been some sort of barrier to success. He has provided Wenger with plenty of transfer funds, and doesn't interfere with how the team is picked. The only reason I despise him, is that he has fuck all ambition, and has been happy to give Wenger a job for life. Under a new manager with the same ownership, the club could easily be a success.

Kroenke is very likely a barrier to success, look at his US teams who are all average or s**t, Wenger needs to go for this to be proven here though which is half the reason Kroenke wants Wenger to stay (his human shield). Wenger is basically part of the board - an old fart who counts his beans, we might as well have 'Chips' Keswick as manager.

Can't speak for his other teams but the Rams in the NFL were s**t a long time before he got involved.

[Blade]

Who is surprised Carzola is out for the season?

[augie]

Arse-licker blog and the rest of the simpletons are extremely quiet tonight after Juve and Allegri ruthlessly saw off Porto.

They couldn't get enough of it last night mocking Jardim and Monaco after their defeat at City.

It's all about their own fucking agenda. Parasites.

A major bust up between allegri and star defender bonucci, seen the Italian defender watching the game from the stands last night as he was dropped from the squad altogether - without a doubt either allegri or bonucci is out of there come the end of the season

[postmanPat91]

Arse-licker blog and the rest of the simpletons are extremely quiet tonight after Juve and Allegri ruthlessly saw off Porto.

They couldn't get enough of it last night mocking Jardim and Monaco after their defeat at City.

It's all about their own fucking agenda. Parasites.

A major bust up between allegri and star defender bonucci, seen the Italian defender watching the game from the stands last night as he was dropped from the squad altogether - without a doubt either allegri or bonucci is out of there come the end of the season

I'd take both in a fucking heartbeat

[BFG4]

Who is surprised Carzola is out for the season?

How many seasons does this shit need to happen, until Wenger realises that new training methods are needed. Isn't it telling that Wilshere has spent his career with us on the sidelines, yet has had a full season at Bournemouth. This is yet another outdated Wenger idea.

[Bob Bayliss]

Its actually Wengers well documented "socialist wage policy". Sweet fa to do with Kroenke.

And while the club belongs to the fans in reality its Kroenkes. So yes its Kroenke who has made the finds available to Wenger. And it has been Wenger who pissed it up the wall or refused to spend it.

Remember, Wengers project and wage policy started before Kroenke arrived. Wenger is in charge of transfers in/out including wages.

There are 600 employees at Arsenal who all have to be paid every month too

I am not defending Wenger, merely pointing out Kroenke has put nothing into the club either financial or otherwise and looking at his track record is never likely to.

I hope I am wrong but I was one who wanted Wenger out from as far back as 2008 and was right about that so think it likely I may be right about Kroenke as well.


I can't wait for Wenger to go and shift the focus on to him so we can find out, if he gets in a top drawer replacement fair play, if he gets some flop then I think that will say a lot about his intentions.

I am sure you are right: I don't imagine for one moment that the moment Wenger leaves we will be geared to seriously compete with the big boys as we were promised when we moved from Highbury to the Emirates.

But one of my big problems with Wenger has been that he has been such a gift to Kronke, compliantly accepting a huge salary in return for simply keeping the club profitable, with absolultely no expectation of delivering European or domestic titles. Once he has gone, then as you say we can shift the focus on the owner and his ethos. But the priority is to get rid of his lackey.

[DB10GOONER]

Kroenke is a huge problem. If Kroenke was a "football man", an old-school chairman or owner, he would have done his job and sacked Wenger years ago. Kroenke is a money man, a business man, once the money comes in he gives zero fucks about trophies and will never sack a manager that is making money.

The worry is that we finally get rid of Wenger and get in a new manager that slips into the same mould of delivering the bare requirement to keep the owner happy - and the owner again does not do what needs to be done from a football perspective.

We need Wenger gone. And then we need Kroenke the fuck out of our club as well.

[ten20]

The current state of the club is so sad for the fans. From top to bottom it is infested with parasites who have no hunger or ambition to take us to the next level and have us competing with the top clubs in the world.

As has been mentioned Kroenke is only in it for steady profits and his investment value rising every year.

Wenger knows this and is shameless enough to just satisfy these 2 criteria of Kroenke, resulting in him being unsackable and maintaining full power and control of the club.

Gazidis and the board know they have no power over Kroenke and Wenger so will not do anything to harm their positions, and keep riding the gravy train.

Same for the majority of the players. The *word censored* know they have life on easy street as long as Wenger remains. No surprise we have seen most of the squad come out and back Wenger over the last few months. Absolute cowards with not one bone of ambition in their bodies.

The few players who do have that hunger and desire to want to win leagues and chalmpions league all end up leaving. Van Persie, Fabregas, Henry all knew it and while it leaves a bitter taste for us seeing them go, they realised Wenger was a charlatan and couldn't wait to get out. Same story with Sanchez now.

It's all just so depressing.

[sk-gtfo]

I'm hoping Kroenke gets an offer he can't refuse but there only a few entities in the world who can afford to buy his shares which must be worth upwards of £750M now.

The 'problem' he has is that when he took out his £3M dividend a couple of seasons back there was a lot of attention and negativity towards it, quite rightly, so he knows it will be very difficult to take money out unless we are winning titles etc. in which case fans are far more forgiving, he doesn't want to invest too much being the conservative c**t that he is so that is unlikely as we can all see from the last 10 years he's been involved!, partly down to Wenger but you get the point, so he is stuck in limbo with an asset that is growing in value but he is actually not making money from it in the short term, not losing but not gaining.

I am hoping this will convince him to sell up if (hopefully when) an offer comes in because he can make a huge profit on his investment this way and move on, if he sticks around I fear this club will end up midtable rubbish in the next 10-20 years.

Sorry this is going a bit off topic, but Kroenke is a longer term problem than Wenger and the only defence I hear of Kroenke is that his teams were already s**t when he bought them (and still are..) or that he has backed Wenger with the clubs money, not exactly a sterling defence of him, I guarantee he is itching to take money out, especially now with the new TV money kicking in next season it will get more tempting but he is wary of the reaction to it when the club is not competing, he way well take it anyway in which case I think a lot of fans will suddenly wake up to this threat.

I shall make this the last words I say about him because talking about Kroenke is almost as boring as finishing in the top 4..

[Gunner Rob]

short term problem = Wenger
long term problem = Kroenke
constant problem = the fans who buy tickets

5 years ago I said that whilst the constant problem exists then we will just go round and round in circles (buy ticket, qualify for last 16 of CL, finish top 4 and repeat)

5 years later nothing has changed and I dont see anything changing any time soon.

2016/17 Wenger aims

last 16 CL - ACHIEVED
top 4 - ON COURSE FOR THIS

If he achieves this then he will be here next season

[StuartL]

I'm hoping Kroenke gets an offer he can't refuse but there only a few entities in the world who can afford to buy his shares which must be worth upwards of £750M now.

The 'problem' he has is that when he took out his £3M dividend a couple of seasons back there was a lot of attention and negativity towards it, quite rightly, so he knows it will be very difficult to take money out unless we are winning titles etc. in which case fans are far more forgiving, he doesn't want to invest too much being the conservative c**t that he is so that is unlikely as we can all see from the last 10 years he's been involved!, partly down to Wenger but you get the point, so he is stuck in limbo with an asset that is growing in value but he is actually not making money from it in the short term, not losing but not gaining.

I am hoping this will convince him to sell up if (hopefully when) an offer comes in because he can make a huge profit on his investment this way and move on, if he sticks around I fear this club will end up midtable rubbish in the next 10-20 years.

Sorry this is going a bit off topic, but Kroenke is a longer term problem than Wenger and the only defence I hear of Kroenke is that his teams were already s**t when he bought them (and still are..) or that he has backed Wenger with the clubs money, not exactly a sterling defence of him, I guarantee he is itching to take money out, especially now with the new TV money kicking in next season it will get more tempting but he is wary of the reaction to it when the club is not competing, he way well take it anyway in which case I think a lot of fans will suddenly wake up to this threat.

I shall make this the last words I say about him because talking about Kroenke is almost as boring as finishing in the top 4..

At any point over the last few seasons Wenker could have publicly stated that his hands were tied, if no money was available to him.

He in FACT said if he was given £100m to spend he would " give it back" ( pity he doesn't think to do that with his yearly salary)

Stan, would be able to double his "investment" if he sold his shares, the board sold our club down the river for their 30 pieces of silver ( or many, many millions) while peddling the line about stability and shared vision that Kronke would apparently provide.

We can only hope / pray ( for those God- fearing folk ) that Usmanov or the Nigerian billionaire are waiting in the wings, perhaps wanting Wenker gone, without them looking as the executioner ?

Wenker leaving would be a good start, at least on the pitch we may have more fight and heart to compete.

[StuartL]

The current state of the club is so sad for the fans. From top to bottom it is infested with parasites who have no hunger or ambition to take us to the next level and have us competing with the top clubs in the world.

As has been mentioned Kroenke is only in it for steady profits and his investment value rising every year.

Wenger knows this and is shameless enough to just satisfy these 2 criteria of Kroenke, resulting in him being unsackable and maintaining full power and control of the club.

Gazidis and the board know they have no power over Kroenke and Wenger so will not do anything to harm their positions, and keep riding the gravy train.

Same for the majority of the players. The *word censored* know they have life on easy street as long as Wenger remains. No surprise we have seen most of the squad come out and back Wenger over the last few months. Absolute cowards with not one bone of ambition in their bodies.

The few players who do have that hunger and desire to want to win leagues and chalmpions league all end up leaving. Van Persie, Fabregas, Henry all knew it and while it leaves a bitter taste for us seeing them go, they realised Wenger was a charlatan and couldn't wait to get out. Same story with Sanchez now.

It's all just so depressing.

I have no axe to grind with Cesc, RVP, Henry, or even Clichy, Sagna and Nasri they have all won titles while we stagnate, and yes no doubt Sanchez will sadly be next. They are not all moneygrabbers, they might have some professional pride and ambition, which we as a club don't.

[shu]

So has there been any anti wenger chants in away games recently .

I think it is good to have the protest and i hope it goes better than last season when it sunk like a stone , it was plain to see then that we were the few .

[Sean]

The screwed up thing is that Kroenke has never sold a share, I believe. That, added to his son being given a position at the club, means that we are fucked for the long term. However, I fervently believe in a 'Wenger first' policy regarding any protests at this time.

It just so happens that The Old Fraud will rarely spend big on a top line player, unless he falls in his lap or if the board go over his head - as has been rumoured. I'd certainly place more blame at TOF's door, seeing as he has wasted tens of millions in wages for poor players and crocks since the Cashburton move. The money was always there and has mushroomed anyway thanks to the ever increasing PL deals (which has already netted Wiggy a great profit by sitting on his arse).

I'd certainly believe if we had a even a semi-competent replacement in the dugout, our on-field nightmares would finally end. The only 'positive' for Wiggy is that he has not interfered on the football side of things, even though we'd very much like him to sack The Old Fraud, which will never happen. IF the board make the right appointment and we start winning things again - which is unlikely, granted - it'd become a background issue. The main problem is that our manager is just as unambitious as our absentee owner. Kroenke's lack of interest may count for us if we ever have an ambitious manager again and if the purse-strings are not closed. As has been said, not many people on this planet can even afford to buy Wiggy out, so the chances of us becoming a fans club or being owned by a consortium of ex-Arsenal players is almost impossible.

What doesn't help is the insultingly large ticket prices and the dismal atmosphere from the Tarquins and tourists in Cashburton. The club earn more than enough money to slash the prices by 50-80%. Gate receipts haven't been important for twenty years, with the rise of sponsorship and TV money. There really is no reason for it, other than greed. The parasites at the club would certainly not countenance the fact that the high prices actually contribute greatly to the toxic atmosphere at the bowl, with the Tarquins indifference and the few Gooners in there, who can afford to get in there, getting increasingly angry at being mugged off for the past nine years in a row. The VT also looks in doubt this season.

Another point I must bring up is this: We've mainly had two types of Groundhog Seasons - Great start, limp-dick collapse; or terrible start, good finish. Keeping hold of the VT is the only thing that motivates this team of losers (barring Sanchez). We always have at least one or two dips in form per season which guarantees that we can never win the title, as we cannot put a full season together. Then there's all that Calendar Year Trophy shite due to a quirk of the fixture list and our boom-or-bust form.

In this Cashburton-era, we have never looked capable of getting to 90 points - 30 wins, only averaging about 72.8 points per season since 2005. It is not good enough, given the money we always had - the austerity was a lie - and even more so now. Yes, TOF did deserve a little time, but that ran out a long time ago. He has wasted the last decade and earned ever more money for doing so. I will never forgive him.