THE WENGER THREAD

[rodders999]

ask yourself this: how would Wenger do managing Wigan for 6 years?

He relegated Nancy and left Monaco on the brink so it's fair to assume he'd have buried Wigan on their budget.

[Sam59]

ask yourself this: how would Wenger do managing Wigan for 6 years?

He relegated Nancy and left Monaco on the brink so it's fair to assume he'd have buried Wigan on their budget.

Martinez was only perfect for Wigan as he had the intro to any number of average journeymen South Americans on loan, who were just good enough to keep them in the PL.
To be fair (once ) to Wenger, there's not a manager born who could keep Nancy in Ligue 1.

[Blood_Gooner]

It really doesn't bode well as a proper argument against Wenger when managers the ilk of Martinez, redknapp, et al, are used as examples of who'd do a better job managing The Arsenal.

[clockender1]

It really doesn't bode well as a proper argument against Wenger when managers the ilk of Martinez, redknapp, et al, are used as examples of who'd do a better job managing The Arsenal.

but Allardyce, Rogers, Mourinho, Mancini, de Boer, Benitez, Simeone, Low, all have pedigree and all could do a better job than the Specialist in Failure given the talent and resources we have.

Koeman is too early to tell on - he could be another laudrup. Klopp needs to prove his worth at another club before he'd be a dead cert.

[OneBardGooner]

Maybe we should change the thread title to Baba's Thread - I mean they both seem on par to most people on here! - Except one of them has managed in football for 30 years and the other simply doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Ikechukwu1]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I wouldn't take Fat Sham over Le Twat.
Although i get your point that even Allardyce could manage to finish 4th and possibly sneak a domestic cup with the current squad (after all he's only within 3 pts of Arsenal with almost 2/3rds of the season gone )

Klopp, Martinez, Benitez, Rodgers, Pocchetino, Laudrup and yes, Koeman though could all match the past decade's "achievements" given the same budget and wage bill. No question there. (Note, nowhere do I say Martinez is better than Le Twat. Bit in trophy terms the evidence is clear!)

The fact we're even comparing him to Martinez and Rodgers (and not Jose, Ancelotti, Pep etc) is a sorry state of affairs.

[Blood_Gooner]

It really doesn't bode well as a proper argument against Wenger when managers the ilk of Martinez, redknapp, et al, are used as examples of who'd do a better job managing The Arsenal.

but Allardyce, Rogers, Mourinho, Mancini, de Boer, Benitez, Simeone, Low, all have pedigree and all could do a better job than the Specialist in Failure given the talent and resources we have.

Koeman is too early to tell on - he could be another laudrup. Klopp needs to prove his worth at another club before he'd be a dead cert.

Some good names with the exception of Allardyce and Rogers.

Would cringe at the likelihood of any of those 2 taking over the reins here.

[Ikechukwu1]

Maybe we should change the thread title to Baba's Thread - I mean they both seem on par to most people on here! - Except one of them has managed in football for 30 years and the other simply doesn't know what he's talking about.

How did you know about my 30 years' management experience?

[clockender1]

It really doesn't bode well as a proper argument against Wenger when managers the ilk of Martinez, redknapp, et al, are used as examples of who'd do a better job managing The Arsenal.

but Allardyce, Rogers, Mourinho, Mancini, de Boer, Benitez, Simeone, Low, all have pedigree and all could do a better job than the Specialist in Failure given the talent and resources we have.

Koeman is too early to tell on - he could be another laudrup. Klopp needs to prove his worth at another club before he'd be a dead cert.

Some good names with the exception of Allardyce and Rogers.

Would cringe at the likelihood of any of those 2 taking over the reins here.

so would I - but Fat Sam got Bolton into Europe - signed some good players and had them playing nice football. ditto at west ham. FS is very much a manager in the GG mould - he builds teams from the back THEN buys flair n strikers.

Rogers - did well at swansea, did well the previous two years and doing okay this year at liverpool.

you could say the same of Pardew too.

my point is not that i like them, but that i believe with OUR resources and current talent all three would do better than wonga.

tbf i think bould, remi garde etc. could do better than wonga - our attacking talent is that good and varied.

[GoonerMuzz]

Clockender you make some excellent points there as do some of the posters above you, what's even more damning in my eyes though is that we are no longer comparing AW to really top class managers.

That we are actually asking ourselves whether managers such as Fat Sam, Martinez and as you said possibly even Pardew would have done any worse, with the resources Le Cock has had over the last 8-10 years.... beggars belief but i can't actually 100% say any of them would have been worse or done less than him

Is that where for some of us we actually find our belief, or lack of, in our manager has sank too?

[Herd]

Baba dips his shoulder and runs off in other directions ............why do we mugs fall for it every time !.

[LDB]

It really doesn't bode well as a proper argument against Wenger when managers the ilk of Martinez, redknapp, et al, are used as examples of who'd do a better job managing The Arsenal.

but Allardyce, Rogers, Mourinho, Mancini, de Boer, Benitez, Simeone, Low, all have pedigree and all could do a better job than the Specialist in Failure given the talent and resources we have.

Koeman is too early to tell on - he could be another laudrup. Klopp needs to prove his worth at another club before he'd be a dead cert.

Some good names with the exception of Allardyce and Rogers.

Would cringe at the likelihood of any of those 2 taking over the reins here.

so would I - but Fat Sam got Bolton into Europe - signed some good players and had them playing nice football. ditto at west ham. FS is very much a manager in the GG mould - he builds teams from the back THEN buys flair n strikers.

Rogers - did well at swansea, did well the previous two years and doing okay this year at liverpool.

you could say the same of Pardew too.

my point is not that i like them, but that i believe with OUR resources and current talent all three would do better than wonga.

tbf i think bould, remi garde etc. could do better than wonga - our attacking talent is that good and varied.

I like how Rodgers is doing ok at Liverpool. Does that mean that Wenger is doing better than ok?

[DB10GOONER]

It's all very well throwing a list of names at it and saying how they could have done better or as well as Wenger with the same resources/players/etc. But that is too simplistic a view tbh. A big part of being a top manager at a big club is how you deal with the job, the egos involved, and the weight of expectation.

Fat Sam would fail miserably at Arsenal or any other big club. His one shot at a reasonably "big" club (Toon for fucks sake, hardly Arsenal or Manure is it?) showed him up for what he is; bang average. He failed miserably. He is like O'Neill. He can go in and do a reasonable to goodish job with limited resources and make a small club punch above their weight to a certain extent, and only for a certain period of time before he is found out.

RedKrapp is another one. Someone on here once claimed that the twitchy melted-cheese featured mong could have done better than Wenger. I wonder who that was? Yep, Redkrapp the same guy that nearly bankrupted Pompey and the scum to win what? One FA cup? No thanks.

Rogers, I'm not convinced by either. He seems to have gotten an awful lot of mileage from inheriting a decent Swans side and having one decent season with Liverpool last year. A decent season that in all honesty was more down to the genius of Suarez than anything Rogers did and, let's not forget, still ended in trophyless failure.

Wenger is past it, but let's not get silly in who we think could have done as well or better.

[arseofacrow]

Wenger's past it for us but he could still do an excellent job for another club.

He will have left a very good basis but he also inherited one, relatively speaking, from George. This enabled Wenger to take it on and take advantage of the monumental increase in funding (as well as dodgy tax arrangements which allowed us to attract and keep excellent players )

Unfortunately, by the time a new guy comes in, football may well have eaten itself

[I Hate Hleb]

Maybe we should change the thread title to Baba's Thread - I mean they both seem on par to most people on here! - Except one of them has managed in football for 30 years and the other simply doesn't know what he's talking about.

How did you know about my 30 years' management experience?