augie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:24 am
DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:30 am
Ed Hunter The Gooner wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:08 am
To be fair, I really don't understand all this hate. Yes, his last season was bad but he still creates goal scoring chances more than anyone else. I don't understand why people ridicules that? Isn't that his job after all in the team, to create goal scoring chances?
I'm not his fanboy or anything but I'd like to see him under different manager what he can do. We'll see that next season I guess.
Exactly. That's what he does.
He creates chances and provides assists. I've always said you either build the team around Ozil's ability to create chances or sell him. Like Fabregas before him he is one of those players with brilliant vision and sublime technical skills but you have to surround those kind of players with other top players that have the football intelligence to understand what they are doing.
At what other club would you have fans calling for the head of the creative attacking midfielder who has just set the PL record for being fastest to 50 assists? Some of our fans really are embarrassing Mongs tbh.
To be fair DB10, you are comparing apples and oranges there buddy - cesc was indeed a wonderful creative player but that is where the comparison stops for me. Cesc worked a lot harder than ozil. Cesc wasnt afraid to do the tough/dirty stuff, and understood the team and work ethic comes first. It might not be important to you, and it obviously isnt the defining factor on whether a player is good or not, but surely you can agree that ozil's body language is a disgrace - with cesc the fans knew and could see how much he wanted to win every game, but ozil radiates a "I couldnt give a flying fcuk" image and that will always count against him.
If we sat back and looked at it in a detatched way, we would probably all agree that ozil is not suited to english football - attitude and work-rate are the MINIMUM expected from players in this league and ozil rarely delivers either, and his good days (which are far better than ordinary players good days) do not come along often enough to justify keeping him and certainly cannot justify his 350k per week wage. There have been a good few world class number 10s that have played in the premier league in the last 20+ years, but the best of those recognised and accepted that they needed to adapt their game somewhat to maximise their talents in this league, and to my mind ozil has never done that.
He should be sold now (personally I would take £20m+ for him) because he isnt adaptable enough to play a system that suits the team, and he isnt good enough to have the system built around him
Btw DB10, was it you or flash that used to continually mock people that came up what stats like the one you put up there now ?
Stats can be developed to deliver any message that we want to appear and you should know better
Haha I knew you'd misread the Fabregas comparison!
The comparison was only to illustrate that you can build a team around those players at a certain level but you need to place similarly talented intelligent players around them.
As for body language and effiort and what we might construe from that - For all Fabregas's effort all he wanted was a move to the Whores even threatening to go on strike ffs. And then the little rat went to the chav after what he'd said about them. If Fabregas is who we measure integrity by then we are fucked.
Ozil body language does not concern me as that is aesthetics and means nothing. His ability to create chances and assists is everything.
As for stats? Hard to argue with a player stat that says he has needed the least number of games to hit 50 assists in the history of the PL. Just think about that. How is that a number 10 that is not suited to the PL?
I think augie you need to look past the old 1970s 1980s and 1990s game where every player had to be running around at a hundred miles an hour. That mindset is why English teams have never really dominated the European competitions since the European teams twigged how to beat Liverpool and then advanced the game to a more technical level. I've always said it - effort is great but it will very seldom beat true ability and technical brilliance on its own.
The only thing I agree with is the 350k a week salary issue. It is insane and he should not be paid that highly. But then I don't think ANY player is worth that.
Having said all that if it is the case that Dick can't or won't build the team around Ozil then he should sell him and use all that money to bring in a couple of players - but I also think it would be an opportunity missed... similar to the Fabregas situation.
