Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:33 pm
General wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:58 pm
Herd wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:51 pm
Just think of the festive atmosphere at the Corporates on Saturday ,it will be a wonderful family affair .
Theres plenty of people out there struggling to make ends meet and feed their families but this super rich talentless wanker throws a strop
and he's offered counselling ,you couldn't make this shit up .
I bet you Xhaka is rested or has picked up an injury and won't not even be present in the stadium this Saturday,if he does that's the end of him at Arsenal, however if he even has the balls to play or better still hold up a banner saying sorry ,he will win my respect for at least being a man about it !
The Club have made a huge issue of this on the website ,for me it's another rod for the back of the manager whose reign I think will soon be over .
The abuse has been going on for months now. His wife has recently given birth (days) and you have idiots sending him death threats and saying they hope his child dies etc. One of the worst fanbases in football can give out but cannot take. He has nothing to say sorry for.
What abuse are you referring to? At the bowl Xhaka doesn't get much in the way of abuse......until he made a tit of himself on Sunday.
There are and always have been the kind of idiots that send stupid messages / death threats in society and that's clearly wrong but that doesn't give him a pass for what he did. He has had several days to simply say sorry which wouldn't cut any slack with me but would be the socially acceptable way to give him a bit of breathing space but he has not taken that route and has simply changed his twatter pic to a Swiss national pic instead.
Do you think that other high profile people in all industries are immune to idiots having a pop or is it just poor old Xhaka who is the only recipient of such misplaced attention. Of course not but most of them get on with it and ignore the dross.
One of the worst fanbases in football - based on what exactly. I have read nothing but shit in the papers this week about the toxicity at the bowl and the fickle fan base from wan.ky reporters who don't pay a penny to watch the same crap that costs me well over a couple of grand for two tickets every year. Of course those pr.icks are being paid to go and write about an event that without us fickle fans ceases to exist which is often a conveniently forgotten fact. If AFC is a business then I am a customer and as a customer I and many more at the bowl are entitled to a service or a standard of quality which has been largely missing for the last 10 years...a bigger seat than I used to have at Highbury doesn't quite cut it for me.
So have a long hard think about jumping onto the media bandwagon of slagging the fanbase as an entirety rather than the usual small minority and do not confuse fickle with those fans who have been going for years and can recognise a shit.fest when we see one and are expected to continue paying for it.
Finally, you say he has nothing to say sorry for - that beggars belief, what planet do you live on?
Fantastic post Jock
Not sure it was needed for anyone to bring the online abuse thing into the discussion but I agree with your response. We all know its wrong ... but as you rightly pointed out, its more of a society thing and certainly not something that can be used to justify the claim that we have one of the worst fanbases in football.
You also mention the fans as customers thing and this has been irritating me for years. So many clubs, the FA and the media etc. are very selective with this. They do some questionable things at times that they justify by saying football is now a product, a business or a brand ... but then when the fans start acting like customers of a business or brand would, e.g. demanding more in return for what they're paying, then they don't like it. That's when all the ''reals fans don't boo their own players' crap comes out!
Clubs want passion and loyalty from fans. They exploit that now more than ever ... but the other side of the coin is if you take fans for granted or wind fans up then they will turn on you! And rightly so!
Wenger became the biggest wind-up merchant in the game. Patronising, deceitful, dismissive. Fans of other clubs and the media do not see how manipulative and cunning he was because it did not have the impact on them that it did on us.
The infamous Eboue incident wasnt fickle fans being nasty and cowardly to an individual ... it was a build up of months of watching an idiot diving and running round like a headless chicken ... only to see the manager refuse to address any of this. It went on so long that peoples pent up frustrations all came out in that one game. And it wasnt the fans who substituted him either!
The same happened with Xhaka. He is 2nd/3rd rate dross .... but somehow he is captain of a team where the fans are paying A+ prices! He should NOT be at the club but we are made to watch him week in week out, making the same mistakes over and over ... and once again the manager does not address it.
I didnt boo Xhaka or Eboue (or even Kevin Campbell all those years back) but I understand the frustrations of those who did.
And I like the fact that our fanbase is becoming more demanding. We need a certain standard and to let it be known we will not tolerate anything below that. Its probably several years later than it should have been but better late than never!