Just out of interest what words of wisdom did you find that led you to believe that Arteta might be a viable option.gooner265 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 amExactly what I said earlier a busted flush now , Tuchel could be a good shout if he leaves PSG , I am not against Arteta as I was first time round either especially after some further readingaugie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:33 pmOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:15 pmI was hoping we would appoint Ancelloti as wenkers replacement..... I know he is good, but it sound slike he may have lost his touch (ooo er missus ) and gone soft.
Have to say that with all the stories coming out today about Ancelotti's managerial style, I too am beginning to doubt his suitability for the job
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yeah ...theres one in every workplaceDB10GOONER wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:26 pmNetworking.... it's all about the networking. Arteta now has a mate in the Lizard for any possible future need. Who knows when or where that watch will be repaid.Redarmy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:53 pmHes the guy who collected the team fines, and at the end of season bought Gazidis a nice new watch with the proceeds....think that says a lot.....why not give it to charity FFS?augie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:42 pmWho the fcuk does this guy think he is ?? Never managed a club anywhere and he thinks that he has earned to right to have "demands" ?? Do one you arrogant cock
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Also, we need someone who can be ruthless and nasty when he needs to be - Especially some of the Prima Donna's we have. There is a reason why all the ideal candidates are already in a job So I guess it is going to take someone not on/off the regular managerial merry-go-round, hopefully someone who has had good teachers etc, so perhaps Arteta is the one? If he is anything like Pep then bring it on I say.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:28 amAncelloti now talking to Everton. Have to say at this stage of his career I think hes found his level.
He's a bit like Maureen these days, past his sell by date IMO. We need someone with radical ideas to take us onto the next level.
I have no doubts he can steady the ship at a struggling club, but that's about it.
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Arteta can be as Pep like as you want, it's not going to make any odds with our current squad. That said, I must admit there is a bit of me thinks that appointing Arteta might be a good thing just to get it over and done with. There seems to be a desire to give him a try at the club and if that is going to happen then why not get it out of the way now rather than give him the job at the start of a new season. If he's a disaster and fails to have any impact on the squad then it's no surprise and we go find an experienced manager in the summer.OneBardGooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:58 pmAlso, we need someone who can be ruthless and nasty when he needs to be - Especially some of the Prima Donna's we have. There is a reason why all the ideal candidates are already in a job So I guess it is going to take someone not on/off the regular managerial merry-go-round, hopefully someone who has had good teachers etc, so perhaps Arteta is the one? If he is anything like Pep then bring it on I say.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:28 amAncelloti now talking to Everton. Have to say at this stage of his career I think hes found his level.
He's a bit like Maureen these days, past his sell by date IMO. We need someone with radical ideas to take us onto the next level.
I have no doubts he can steady the ship at a struggling club, but that's about it.
If Arteta did however manage to turn things around then I always knew he would and the rest of you doubters can go eat humble pie
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Don't agree mate. Radical ideas take time at the best of places. Some nobody coach with a quirky philosophy will get little to no buy-in from the players and the fans will lose patience incredibly quickly.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:28 amAncelloti now talking to Everton. Have to say at this stage of his career I think hes found his level.
He's a bit like Maureen these days, past his sell by date IMO. We need someone with radical ideas to take us onto the next level.
I have no doubts he can steady the ship at a struggling club, but that's about it.
Probably took 18 months before things looked like they were starting to come together a bit for Klopp - and Liverpool were in much better shape and with much more patience/buy-in from the fanbase.
Steadying the ship at a struggling club is 100% what we need right now. If Ancelotti comes in, persuades our few decent players to stay, improves our defending and leaves us in better shape in 2 years then I would snap your hand off now. We actually have a good crop of talented young players, and a rebuilt platform for a more adventurous manager to come in 2 years down the line would be great.
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Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:11 pmArteta can be as Pep like as you want, it's not going to make any odds with our current squad. That said, I must admit there is a bit of me thinks that appointing Arteta might be a good thing just to get it over and done with. There seems to be a desire to give him a try at the club and if that is going to happen then why not get it out of the way now rather than give him the job at the start of a new season. If he's a disaster and fails to have any impact on the squad then it's no surprise and we go find an experienced manager in the summer.OneBardGooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:58 pmAlso, we need someone who can be ruthless and nasty when he needs to be - Especially some of the Prima Donna's we have. There is a reason why all the ideal candidates are already in a job So I guess it is going to take someone not on/off the regular managerial merry-go-round, hopefully someone who has had good teachers etc, so perhaps Arteta is the one? If he is anything like Pep then bring it on I say.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:28 amAncelloti now talking to Everton. Have to say at this stage of his career I think hes found his level.
He's a bit like Maureen these days, past his sell by date IMO. We need someone with radical ideas to take us onto the next level.
I have no doubts he can steady the ship at a struggling club, but that's about it.
If Arteta did however manage to turn things around then I always knew he would and the rest of you doubters can go eat humble pie
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Tonight showed yet again, just how important it is that we get a strong manager with real presence who will instill fear and respect from this squad. We have players with huge arrogance and ego's and whose performances are nowhere near an acceptable level, and they need to be brought down a eg or ten. We have players who seem to have forgotten how to work and play when they don't have the ball, and they need to have the fear of god put back into them when they are told that 100% work-rate is expected from good players and shit players. Biggest priority though, is that we appoint a manager who everybody knows is the boss - I suspect that too many young players are being led astray by some of the bigger players in the dressing room, and that needs to be fixed before these young players go too far down the wrong road
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I am starting to think the next appointment will be totally irrelevant in terms of what impact it will make. That’s because there is nothing this group of players have that anyone can do anything with. Not a fucking thing.
There is not a good team being stifled by poor coaching. There is not a squad of players bursting for a strong manager to be appointed so they suddenly find their true form. And there is not a talented and hungry set of youngsters waiting to step in if a new manager decides to have a clear out of the more experienced players.
What there is ... is a set of players that are a lost cause. They have so many bad habits and have been pampered for so long that there is absolutely nothing to work with. There is no sense of pride or any real desire to improve. If the rumours were true, and I tend to think they were, nstead of working hard and trying to learn, we had players that were more interested in taking the piss out of the manager behind his back. That’s what unruly school kids with no discipline do. And like in every classroom like that, the few that are keen to learn are dragged down.
Arsenal are probably the biggest bullshit club around with how they will continue to talk big but never back it up with anything of substance. The amount of spin, lies and false promises that have come out of the place for the last decade is shameful. But it’s still going on. And the trouble is that talking is all the club are good at. Nobody has a fucking clue how to get things working on the pitch. How is this going to change?
The way I’m feeling right now, there is not a manger anywhere who I feel confident could turn this clubs fortunes around and give us some direction and purpose. We just exist in some sort of no-mans land.
A new name will be announced in due course but we’ll still be lumbered watching this inept and loathsome set of players. And in 2 years time we will very likely be going through this whole tedious process again
There is not a good team being stifled by poor coaching. There is not a squad of players bursting for a strong manager to be appointed so they suddenly find their true form. And there is not a talented and hungry set of youngsters waiting to step in if a new manager decides to have a clear out of the more experienced players.
What there is ... is a set of players that are a lost cause. They have so many bad habits and have been pampered for so long that there is absolutely nothing to work with. There is no sense of pride or any real desire to improve. If the rumours were true, and I tend to think they were, nstead of working hard and trying to learn, we had players that were more interested in taking the piss out of the manager behind his back. That’s what unruly school kids with no discipline do. And like in every classroom like that, the few that are keen to learn are dragged down.
Arsenal are probably the biggest bullshit club around with how they will continue to talk big but never back it up with anything of substance. The amount of spin, lies and false promises that have come out of the place for the last decade is shameful. But it’s still going on. And the trouble is that talking is all the club are good at. Nobody has a fucking clue how to get things working on the pitch. How is this going to change?
The way I’m feeling right now, there is not a manger anywhere who I feel confident could turn this clubs fortunes around and give us some direction and purpose. We just exist in some sort of no-mans land.
A new name will be announced in due course but we’ll still be lumbered watching this inept and loathsome set of players. And in 2 years time we will very likely be going through this whole tedious process again
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Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:51 pmJust out of interest what words of wisdom did you find that led you to believe that Arteta might be a viable option.gooner265 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:30 amExactly what I said earlier a busted flush now , Tuchel could be a good shout if he leaves PSG , I am not against Arteta as I was first time round either especially after some further readingaugie wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:33 pmTestimonies from players he has developed, pep his character and attitude. Just like what I hear , an old stalwart like Ancelotti is no guarantee of success either . Benitez isn’t available, my preferred pick would be Nagelsmann but doesn’t seem to be on the radar . Every manager is a risk could he have done worse than Emery if we had initially gone with him ? He couldn’t have done worse .OneBardGooner wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:15 pmI was hoping we would appoint Ancelloti as wenkers replacement..... I know he is good, but it sound slike he may have lost his touch (ooo er missus ) and gone soft.
Have to say that with all the stories coming out today about Ancelotti's managerial style, I too am beginning to doubt his suitability for the job
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Clash wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:15 pmI am starting to think the next appointment will be totally irrelevant in terms of what impact it will make. That’s because there is nothing this group of players have that anyone can do anything with. Not a fucking thing.
There is not a good team being stifled by poor coaching. There is not a squad of players bursting for a strong manager to be appointed so they suddenly find their true form. And there is not a talented and hungry set of youngsters waiting to step in if a new manager decides to have a clear out of the more experienced players.
What there is ... is a set of players that are a lost cause. They have so many bad habits and have been pampered for so long that there is absolutely nothing to work with. There is no sense of pride or any real desire to improve. If the rumours were true, and I tend to think they were, nstead of working hard and trying to learn, we had players that were more interested in taking the piss out of the manager behind his back. That’s what unruly school kids with no discipline do. And like in every classroom like that, the few that are keen to learn are dragged down.
Arsenal are probably the biggest bullshit club around with how they will continue to talk big but never back it up with anything of substance. The amount of spin, lies and false promises that have come out of the place for the last decade is shameful. But it’s still going on. And the trouble is that talking is all the club are good at. Nobody has a fucking clue how to get things working on the pitch. How is this going to change?
The way I’m feeling right now, there is not a manger anywhere who I feel confident could turn this clubs fortunes around and give us some direction and purpose. We just exist in some sort of no-mans land.
A new name will be announced in due course but we’ll still be lumbered watching this inept and loathsome set of players. And in 2 years time we will very likely be going through this whole tedious process again
This is a team containing a lot of really promising players (and I really believe that), that have been starved of proper coaching and guidance for a number of years now. We all know that the step up to the senior team is a big one, and in the last few years we have sent our young players to learn and be guided by the gormless wenger, and the rabbit caught in the headlights emery. To cap it all off we have surrounded these young players with the type of team-mates that will teach every young player the type of things that can wreck their career - any young player coming into a team needs to be shown how to behave as a professional, and needs a guiding hand when said young player is having a few sticky moments, but our senior players are the living embodiment of a "couldn't give two fcuks" attitude, and will teach them nothing about accountability or responsibility.
Please don't write off these kids yet - not for one minute am I am expecting 7 or 8 stars to come from this group, but I do believe that, with the right coaching, there are players in that group that can be mainstays for this club for a number of years to come. This is where someone like rafa benitez comes in - someone to coach them about structure, positioning, team shape, and team tactics. Someone who teaches them about responsibilities to the team and club (and fans), and puts demands on them and shows that they are expected to meet those expectations.
In my opinion, to save these young players we either need to (a) bring in a strong take no shit manager or (b) sell those negative influences in the dressing room to ensure that there are no distracting voices in the young players ears
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OneBardGooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:49 pmJock Gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:11 pmArteta can be as Pep like as you want, it's not going to make any odds with our current squad. That said, I must admit there is a bit of me thinks that appointing Arteta might be a good thing just to get it over and done with. There seems to be a desire to give him a try at the club and if that is going to happen then why not get it out of the way now rather than give him the job at the start of a new season. If he's a disaster and fails to have any impact on the squad then it's no surprise and we go find an experienced manager in the summer.OneBardGooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:58 pmAlso, we need someone who can be ruthless and nasty when he needs to be - Especially some of the Prima Donna's we have. There is a reason why all the ideal candidates are already in a job So I guess it is going to take someone not on/off the regular managerial merry-go-round, hopefully someone who has had good teachers etc, so perhaps Arteta is the one? If he is anything like Pep then bring it on I say.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:28 amAncelloti now talking to Everton. Have to say at this stage of his career I think hes found his level.
He's a bit like Maureen these days, past his sell by date IMO. We need someone with radical ideas to take us onto the next level.
I have no doubts he can steady the ship at a struggling club, but that's about it.
If Arteta did however manage to turn things around then I always knew he would and the rest of you doubters can go eat humble pie
Don't you mean Paella!??
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Clash wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:15 pmI am starting to think the next appointment will be totally irrelevant in terms of what impact it will make. That’s because there is nothing this group of players have that anyone can do anything with. Not a fucking thing.
There is not a good team being stifled by poor coaching. There is not a squad of players bursting for a strong manager to be appointed so they suddenly find their true form. And there is not a talented and hungry set of youngsters waiting to step in if a new manager decides to have a clear out of the more experienced players.
What there is ... is a set of players that are a lost cause. They have so many bad habits and have been pampered for so long that there is absolutely nothing to work with. There is no sense of pride or any real desire to improve. If the rumours were true, and I tend to think they were, nstead of working hard and trying to learn, we had players that were more interested in taking the piss out of the manager behind his back. That’s what unruly school kids with no discipline do. And like in every classroom like that, the few that are keen to learn are dragged down.
Arsenal are probably the biggest bullshit club around with how they will continue to talk big but never back it up with anything of substance. The amount of spin, lies and false promises that have come out of the place for the last decade is shameful. But it’s still going on. And the trouble is that talking is all the club are good at. Nobody has a fucking clue how to get things working on the pitch. How is this going to change?
The way I’m feeling right now, there is not a manger anywhere who I feel confident could turn this clubs fortunes around and give us some direction and purpose. We just exist in some sort of no-mans land.
A new name will be announced in due course but we’ll still be lumbered watching this inept and loathsome set of players. And in 2 years time we will very likely be going through this whole tedious process again
Fully agree with you mate and understand your comment re the kids. There are one or two who are showing promise but there is insufficient support from the experienced pros to make the transition to the first team a comfortable one for them.
We need an experienced manager and we need him to be given a half decent budget to do the buying and selling that needs to be done to start to turn this shower of shite around. The defence and midfield are largely shocking. Ain't going to happen overnight though.
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Agree with that. The experienced players have been the problem for the last 10 years. In that they haven't been Arsenal stalwarts/ legends. The heart of Arsenal was ripped out in the summer of 2006 and never sufficiently recovered. The next manager has the opportunity to really stamp his authority on the club, and has to be strong enough to see off the big characters, much like graham did between 1986-1988. Emery started the job, lets see if the board have the balls to appoint a strong/ experienced manager.augie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:11 pmTonight showed yet again, just how important it is that we get a strong manager with real presence who will instill fear and respect from this squad. We have players with huge arrogance and ego's and whose performances are nowhere near an acceptable level, and they need to be brought down a eg or ten. We have players who seem to have forgotten how to work and play when they don't have the ball, and they need to have the fear of god put back into them when they are told that 100% work-rate is expected from good players and shit players. Biggest priority though, is that we appoint a manager who everybody knows is the boss - I suspect that too many young players are being led astray by some of the bigger players in the dressing room, and that needs to be fixed before these young players go too far down the wrong road
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100% on the money.....right to the heart of the matter...great postClash wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:15 pmI am starting to think the next appointment will be totally irrelevant in terms of what impact it will make. That’s because there is nothing this group of players have that anyone can do anything with. Not a fucking thing.
There is not a good team being stifled by poor coaching. There is not a squad of players bursting for a strong manager to be appointed so they suddenly find their true form. And there is not a talented and hungry set of youngsters waiting to step in if a new manager decides to have a clear out of the more experienced players.
What there is ... is a set of players that are a lost cause. They have so many bad habits and have been pampered for so long that there is absolutely nothing to work with. There is no sense of pride or any real desire to improve. If the rumours were true, and I tend to think they were, nstead of working hard and trying to learn, we had players that were more interested in taking the piss out of the manager behind his back. That’s what unruly school kids with no discipline do. And like in every classroom like that, the few that are keen to learn are dragged down.
Arsenal are probably the biggest bullshit club around with how they will continue to talk big but never back it up with anything of substance. The amount of spin, lies and false promises that have come out of the place for the last decade is shameful. But it’s still going on. And the trouble is that talking is all the club are good at. Nobody has a fucking clue how to get things working on the pitch. How is this going to change?
The way I’m feeling right now, there is not a manger anywhere who I feel confident could turn this clubs fortunes around and give us some direction and purpose. We just exist in some sort of no-mans land.
A new name will be announced in due course but we’ll still be lumbered watching this inept and loathsome set of players. And in 2 years time we will very likely be going through this whole tedious process again
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