Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[GoonerMuzz]

When Arteta gets the sack, whether in two weeks, two months or two years time i still don't expect these dopey *word censored* to appoint the right replacement, even less so if Edu is still around

[wilson2.0]

I dont believe we should plead poverty because it lets the managers we have had off the hook. We are finishing below teams who have significantly lesser budgets than we do. Also,

We have spent money, infact we have spent a sh.. load. The problem is the amount of misses is fucking incredible. If you could quantify a return on investment on the players we have signed ours would be among the lowest Europe let alone the premier league. Xhaka, Torriera, Mustafi, Saliba - that over 100m on players and none have made an impact, two of which we keep loaning out. Our big ticket Pepe is a good player, but 72m seems to be twice as much as we should have paid. We have a new 50m defender, and a 32m back up keeper, or if Ramsdale replaces Leno, we will have a 22m back up keeper. Simply put, this idea that we are skint or operate on a shoe string is bullshit.

I mean FFS, do we have a smaller budget than Tottenham? I dont think we do. Leicester City? Investment is sufficient to finish in the top 4. Its not a money problem, its a manager/football problem............Arteta and Edu.

I detest when Arsenal as a club are lowballed simply to accommodate the shortcomings of the manager. Gary Neville specialises in this, always tempering Arsenal fans expectations to accommodate the shit football. Especially with Wenger, the way Neville used to go on you would think we were Sunderland and through Wengers ability and vision we were in the top 6. When actually we were among the biggest spenders in the league and that was propping Wenger up.

[GoonerMuzz]

In yet another twist to the 'process' we have, in 3 games so far this season, conceded pretty much a quarter of the goals we conceded the whole of the last one, Arteta could well be on for yet another record. £130M well spent I say

[SteveO 35]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

[Gunner Rob]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

You just need to step back from it a bit and look at how the club are viewing things.

Big picture

Arteta first season wins FA Cup
Second season - wins Community Shield. Because of these 2 cup wins there is virtually no pre season and so we struggle for a bit until Christmas. Arteta gets away with it because of a six match winning streak in the Europa League.
Second half of season we produce a top 4 club set of results: last 24 matches = 47 points. that is not fluking an easy 10 match run, that is beating Chelsea twice, Spurs and Leicester.

This season - £130 million spent in order to reproduce that 24 match run over a full season.
Brentford - yes of course we should have won, but Brentford are still unbeaten in their other 2 league games, they won’t be getting relegated, and we did have a genuine excuse with the COVID absentees.
Chelsea and City - the fact is few teams will get any points from them this season. They are the best 2 club sides in the world.

Yes, disappointing performances but only 1 bad result really this season so far.
If the problems continue next month then yes Arteta is under pressure, but he isn’t at all at the moment.

[DB10GOONER]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

You just need to step back from it a bit and look at how the club are viewing things.

Big picture

Arteta first season wins FA Cup
Second season - wins Community Shield. Because of these 2 cup wins there is virtually no pre season and so we struggle for a bit until Christmas. Arteta gets away with it because of a six match winning streak in the Europa League.
Second half of season we produce a top 4 club set of results: last 24 matches = 47 points. that is not fluking an easy 10 match run, that is beating Chelsea twice, Spurs and Leicester.

This season - £130 million spent in order to reproduce that 24 match run over a full season.
Brentford - yes of course we should have won, but Brentford are still unbeaten in their other 2 league games, they won’t be getting relegated, and we did have a genuine excuse with the COVID absentees.
Chelsea and City - the fact is few teams will get any points from them this season. They are the best 2 club sides in the world.

Yes, disappointing performances but only 1 bad result really this season so far.
If the problems continue next month then yes Arteta is under pressure, but he isn’t at all at the moment.

Rob, sometimes mate I think you might be a WUM.

[Gunner Rob]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

You just need to step back from it a bit and look at how the club are viewing things.

Big picture

Arteta first season wins FA Cup
Second season - wins Community Shield. Because of these 2 cup wins there is virtually no pre season and so we struggle for a bit until Christmas. Arteta gets away with it because of a six match winning streak in the Europa League.
Second half of season we produce a top 4 club set of results: last 24 matches = 47 points. that is not fluking an easy 10 match run, that is beating Chelsea twice, Spurs and Leicester.

This season - £130 million spent in order to reproduce that 24 match run over a full season.
Brentford - yes of course we should have won, but Brentford are still unbeaten in their other 2 league games, they won’t be getting relegated, and we did have a genuine excuse with the COVID absentees.
Chelsea and City - the fact is few teams will get any points from them this season. They are the best 2 club sides in the world.

Yes, disappointing performances but only 1 bad result really this season so far.
If the problems continue next month then yes Arteta is under pressure, but he isn’t at all at the moment.

Rob, sometimes mate I think you might be a WUM.

Just to clarify - this is how I think the club are looking at things, not my opinion
My own view is that Arteta is probably one game away from the point of no return

[DB10GOONER]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

You just need to step back from it a bit and look at how the club are viewing things.

Big picture

Arteta first season wins FA Cup
Second season - wins Community Shield. Because of these 2 cup wins there is virtually no pre season and so we struggle for a bit until Christmas. Arteta gets away with it because of a six match winning streak in the Europa League.
Second half of season we produce a top 4 club set of results: last 24 matches = 47 points. that is not fluking an easy 10 match run, that is beating Chelsea twice, Spurs and Leicester.

This season - £130 million spent in order to reproduce that 24 match run over a full season.
Brentford - yes of course we should have won, but Brentford are still unbeaten in their other 2 league games, they won’t be getting relegated, and we did have a genuine excuse with the COVID absentees.
Chelsea and City - the fact is few teams will get any points from them this season. They are the best 2 club sides in the world.

Yes, disappointing performances but only 1 bad result really this season so far.
If the problems continue next month then yes Arteta is under pressure, but he isn’t at all at the moment.

Rob, sometimes mate I think you might be a WUM.

Just to clarify - this is how I think the club are looking at things, not my opinion
My own view is that Arteta is probably one game away from the point of no return

I know mate, I'm just kidding with ya.

[SteveO 35]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

You just need to step back from it a bit and look at how the club are viewing things.

Big picture

Arteta first season wins FA Cup
Second season - wins Community Shield. Because of these 2 cup wins there is virtually no pre season and so we struggle for a bit until Christmas. Arteta gets away with it because of a six match winning streak in the Europa League.
Second half of season we produce a top 4 club set of results: last 24 matches = 47 points. that is not fluking an easy 10 match run, that is beating Chelsea twice, Spurs and Leicester.

This season - £130 million spent in order to reproduce that 24 match run over a full season.
Brentford - yes of course we should have won, but Brentford are still unbeaten in their other 2 league games, they won’t be getting relegated, and we did have a genuine excuse with the COVID absentees.
Chelsea and City - the fact is few teams will get any points from them this season. They are the best 2 club sides in the world.

Yes, disappointing performances but only 1 bad result really this season so far.
If the problems continue next month then yes Arteta is under pressure, but he isn’t at all at the moment.

I'm pretty sure that's how the owners do see it to be fair. The Community Shield cracks me up - even the most ardent Gooner would struggle to tell you how many times we've won it, when we did and who we beat.......a glorified pre season friendly

Losing to City and Chelsea in itself isn't the issue - plenty of teams will. Its the nature of the defeats. Ferran Torres is utter ***** and will score no more than 10 this season. We didn't have a single shot on target and have now lost 9 out of 9 against City. Against Chelsea we went down with a whimper too. I can handle 'hard luck' stories. What I can't handle is getting arse whipped and looking like a bunch of strangers every week

[augie]

The COVID excuse re the brentford game really fcuks me off - compare their line up to ours and tell me that we shouldn’t be expected to beat them by 2 or 3 goals

[goonersid]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

Exactly SteveO, there should be an inevitability about it, any other club would have this c u n t sacked!
I'm hoping they're planning to, but making sure I's dotted and T's crossed with replacement etc.
Whether Kroenkes know anything about football or not, they must recognise incompetence, so hopefully days or weeks rather than months.

[Redarmy]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

Exactly SteveO, there should be an inevitability about it, any other club would have this c u n t sacked!
I'm hoping they're planning to, but making sure I's dotted and T's crossed with replacement etc.
Whether Kroenkes know anything about football or not, they must recognise incompetence, so hopefully days or weeks rather than months.

Of course we are in a mess, but the worrying thing for me is the recruitment.....they are spending money but we are signing average to poor players still....looks like nothings going to change
think we will end up around mid table to just above...again with our wages and overall spending is very much underachieving

[Arsenal Till I Die]

The fact that AMN is taking to Insta, to say he wants out, is a clear indicator that Arteta has lost the dressing room.

[Gunner Rob]

The last two mornings I've woken up and sat down with a cup of tea hoping to switch on SSN and hear "Breaking News: Arteta leaves Arsenal".......but nope, we're still stuck with the gormless c.unt despite being bottom of the league for the first time in nearly all of our lifetimes.

Brentford - newly promoted, COVID related absences
Chelsea - Champions of Europe
Man City - Champions of England, and CL runners up

What excuses have we got loaded up for Norwich and Burnley - Championship winners, and best gravy?

Its an absolute travesty that this prick has still got a job - an injustice that eats me up every f+++ing day

Exactly SteveO, there should be an inevitability about it, any other club would have this c u n t sacked!
I'm hoping they're planning to, but making sure I's dotted and T's crossed with replacement etc.
Whether Kroenkes know anything about football or not, they must recognise incompetence, so hopefully days or weeks rather than months.

Kroenke is backing Arteta and they are both in it for the long haul.
Nothing at the club is indicating otherwise.

Maybe in a few years time and things have still not improved then he will have to go - but don’t expect any changes right now.

[mcdowell42]

Arsenal and other big PL clubs are in talks with Brighton regarding Yves Bissouma. Brighton want around € 35m to sell the player. [@Ekremkonur] #afc