Roddaz KnowsOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:12 pmrodders999 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pmJust my opinion mind, but I reckon the Hertha Berlin transfer which was mooted for January has now already been agreed for the summer. I can't really see another explanation for such a turnaround and the Chambers injury is the reason why.xisstential wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:42 pmWhy do Xhaka, and the club for that matter, think anybody is going to come back for him in the summer??
I think you may well be onto something there Rodders ole Chap.
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If he's still here at the start of next season I shall be deactivating my account so it's a win win for you lot on hereOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:19 pmYou Da Man Rodders! You Da Man...well you and Barry White.
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Whichever way it plays out, Berlin or not, he'll have to go in the summer, the fans will be ready to lynch him by then. Let's face it, he isn't going to get any better. So we can expect more lazy, indifferent, slipdshod performances which will incite the fans to demand that he goes.
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Barry White's on here? It's Jock isn't it? Fucking knew it.rodders999 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:53 pmIf he's still here at the start of next season I shall be deactivating my account so it's a win win for you lot on hereOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:19 pmYou Da Man Rodders! You Da Man...well you and Barry White.
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Absolutely. Odds on he'll have at least one crucial high profile fuck up that costs us a cup or a place in a final or something and there will be bedlam with the fans.xisstential wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:21 pmWhichever way it plays out, Berlin or not, he'll have to go in the summer, the fans will be ready to lynch him by then. Let's face it, he isn't going to get any better. So we can expect more lazy, indifferent, slipdshod performances which will incite the fans to demand that he goes.
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DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:10 pmBarry White's on here? It's Jock isn't it? Fucking knew it.rodders999 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:53 pmIf he's still here at the start of next season I shall be deactivating my account so it's a win win for you lot on hereOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:19 pmYou Da Man Rodders! You Da Man...well you and Barry White.
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Hey once it's warm and wet in there I'm game.Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:33 pmDB10GOONER wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:10 pmBarry White's on here? It's Jock isn't it? Fucking knew it.rodders999 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:53 pmIf he's still here at the start of next season I shall be deactivating my account so it's a win win for you lot on hereOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:19 pmYou Da Man Rodders! You Da Man...well you and Barry White.
You looking for some walrus luurve
And even if only one of those two conditions are met I'll give it a go.
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DB10GOONER wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:37 pmHey once it's warm and wet in there I'm game.Jock Gooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:33 pmDB10GOONER wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:10 pmBarry White's on here? It's Jock isn't it? Fucking knew it.rodders999 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:53 pmIf he's still here at the start of next season I shall be deactivating my account so it's a win win for you lot on hereOneBardGooner wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:19 pmYou Da Man Rodders! You Da Man...well you and Barry White.
You looking for some walrus luurve
And even if only one of those two conditions are met I'll give it a go.
Well that was never in any doubt was it
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rodders999 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pmJust my opinion mind, but I reckon the Hertha Berlin transfer which was mooted for January has now already been agreed for the summer. I can't really see another explanation for such a turnaround and the Chambers injury is the reason why.xisstential wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:42 pmWhy do Xhaka, and the club for that matter, think anybody is going to come back for him in the summer??
Hertha berlin are struggling NOW and are trying to bring in players as a result - they know that a struggling team wont entice too many players to join them, so they probably looked at xhaka's situation and figured that it would be easy to prise him out of our club. In the summer they will likely have better targets
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I dunno if anyone saw Fridays training pics - Arteta is making the players carry out their own training kit.
Then this was snapped earlier of the team arriving :
Part of Artetas new ethos ?
Then this was snapped earlier of the team arriving :
Part of Artetas new ethos ?
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Hopefully reality has bitten a few - there's ZERO improvement under this manager. He can't work miracles. He has a group of 'comfort zone' losers who don't know what hard work is. Hopefully there's enough points to stave off relegation
Terrible attitude, terrible slow football - could have been watching any away game from the past 5 years or so
Hated every minute of it - boring, sterile football. Like watching an England friendly from 10 years ago
Terrible attitude, terrible slow football - could have been watching any away game from the past 5 years or so
Hated every minute of it - boring, sterile football. Like watching an England friendly from 10 years ago
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Ancelotti - 9 points from a possible 12. One defeat being 2-1 at Man City
Arteta - 5 points from a possible 12. Draws against Bournemouth and Palace Reserves
I suppose Everton have better players available lol
Arteta - 5 points from a possible 12. Draws against Bournemouth and Palace Reserves
I suppose Everton have better players available lol
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I take the point that it is too way early to judge Arteta based on the evidence so far. Those defenders aren't suddenly going to be better players.
But the same applies to people suggesting he should be given credit for flickers of improvement that we may have seen. For example, a dog-shit performance in the first half against Leeds and in the second against Chelsea is spun into evidence that the new coach is making a difference because the other halves of those games weren't dog-shit. If our first-half performance against Palace had come after half-time no doubt Teflon Tets would have been given a lot of credit for turning this game round too.
So here's the deal. If people stop suggesting he is this inspiring coach who is turning us round every time we do ok for a game or two, I will bite my tongue about my reservations with him being the calibre of manager we should be appointing.
But the same applies to people suggesting he should be given credit for flickers of improvement that we may have seen. For example, a dog-shit performance in the first half against Leeds and in the second against Chelsea is spun into evidence that the new coach is making a difference because the other halves of those games weren't dog-shit. If our first-half performance against Palace had come after half-time no doubt Teflon Tets would have been given a lot of credit for turning this game round too.
So here's the deal. If people stop suggesting he is this inspiring coach who is turning us round every time we do ok for a game or two, I will bite my tongue about my reservations with him being the calibre of manager we should be appointing.
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Emery's league record this season - Played 13 Won 4 Drawn 6 Lost 3 - Scored 18 Conceded 19, Points 18
So, we averaged 1.38 points per game, average goals scored 1.38 per game, average goals conceded 1.46 per game
Record since Emery's departure - Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 4 Lost 3 - Scored 11 Conceded 12, Points 10
So we average 1.11 points per game, average goals scored 1.22 per game, average goals conceded 1.33
So we've conceded slightly fewer on average, but have a worse win ratio, fewer points per game, and poorer in front of goal
There's been 9 games since he left, so 4 more before there have been as many since he was in charge as before. If 13 was enough to judge him, 5 was too many for Freddie then how many are we allowed before we can judge Arteta?
So, we averaged 1.38 points per game, average goals scored 1.38 per game, average goals conceded 1.46 per game
Record since Emery's departure - Played 9 Won 2 Drawn 4 Lost 3 - Scored 11 Conceded 12, Points 10
So we average 1.11 points per game, average goals scored 1.22 per game, average goals conceded 1.33
So we've conceded slightly fewer on average, but have a worse win ratio, fewer points per game, and poorer in front of goal
There's been 9 games since he left, so 4 more before there have been as many since he was in charge as before. If 13 was enough to judge him, 5 was too many for Freddie then how many are we allowed before we can judge Arteta?