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Will he ?

Have a statue erected after 30 glorious years service?
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8%
Be a success, pick up a few trophies and put the club back on an even keel?
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28%
Be a moderate success, before handing over to a more high profile successor?
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23%
Be an utter fucking disaster?
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41%
 
Total votes: 71

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augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:38 pm
Armenian pussy is no longer on our books - we sold him to roma (probably for a pittance)
When did that happen? Earlier this season the useless c.unt was still showing as 'on loan'

Mavropanos is still out on loan too - so that's Mavropanos, Saliba, Sokratis, Gabriel, Holding, Mustafi, Chambers, Mari, and David Luiz all as specialist centre halves FFS. How much wonga has been wasted on that lot in wages this past year or two? Absolutely scandalous mismanagement of the squad wage bill. When people ask 'where's the money gone', there's a clue in that little lot above

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augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:38 pm
Armenian pussy is no longer on our books - we sold him to roma (probably for a pittance)
We didnt sell Mkhitaryian, his contract was cancelled and he had to fork out £1m to make it happen.

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Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:18 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:38 pm
Armenian pussy is no longer on our books - we sold him to roma (probably for a pittance)
We didnt sell Mkhitaryian, his contract was cancelled and he had to fork out £1m to make it happen.



Fair enough - I knew he was off our books, and if we had to pay him £1m to make it happen, then it was an absolute bargain imo 8)

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augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:22 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:18 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:38 pm
Armenian pussy is no longer on our books - we sold him to roma (probably for a pittance)
We didnt sell Mkhitaryian, his contract was cancelled and he had to fork out £1m to make it happen.



Fair enough - I knew he was off our books, and if we had to pay him £1m to make it happen, then it was an absolute bargain imo 8)
Apparently saved us around £13m in wages and loyalty bonuses so a great result in the end. :lol:

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Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:27 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:22 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:18 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:38 pm
Armenian pussy is no longer on our books - we sold him to roma (probably for a pittance)
We didnt sell Mkhitaryian, his contract was cancelled and he had to fork out £1m to make it happen.



Fair enough - I knew he was off our books, and if we had to pay him £1m to make it happen, then it was an absolute bargain imo 8)
Apparently saved us around £13m in wages and loyalty bonuses so a great result in the end. :lol:
It was in the end - of course our wonderful negotiators turned down bids of up to £60m for Alexis when he was actually a decent player and let him wind down his contract......which saw us end up with this turd bag in return on another £180k a week mega deal. Made the best of it in the end but another piece of pathetic commercial management from the goons who run our club

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:42 am
Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:27 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:22 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:18 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:38 pm
Armenian pussy is no longer on our books - we sold him to roma (probably for a pittance)
We didnt sell Mkhitaryian, his contract was cancelled and he had to fork out £1m to make it happen.



Fair enough - I knew he was off our books, and if we had to pay him £1m to make it happen, then it was an absolute bargain imo 8)
Apparently saved us around £13m in wages and loyalty bonuses so a great result in the end. :lol:
It was in the end - of course our wonderful negotiators turned down bids of up to £60m for Alexis when he was actually a decent player and let him wind down his contract......which saw us end up with this turd bag in return on another £180k a week mega deal. Made the best of it in the end but another piece of pathetic commercial management from the goons who run our club
These types they get in as excutives are very much for themselves, they have no understanding of the clubs history or values, no loyalty to the club only themselves, makes me sick when they start trying to engage with the fans

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Redarmy wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:58 am
SteveO 35 wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:42 am
Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:27 pm
augie wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:22 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:18 pm


We didnt sell Mkhitaryian, his contract was cancelled and he had to fork out £1m to make it happen.



Fair enough - I knew he was off our books, and if we had to pay him £1m to make it happen, then it was an absolute bargain imo 8)
Apparently saved us around £13m in wages and loyalty bonuses so a great result in the end. :lol:
It was in the end - of course our wonderful negotiators turned down bids of up to £60m for Alexis when he was actually a decent player and let him wind down his contract......which saw us end up with this turd bag in return on another £180k a week mega deal. Made the best of it in the end but another piece of pathetic commercial management from the goons who run our club
These types they get in as excutives are very much for themselves, they have no understanding of the clubs history or values, no loyalty to the club only themselves, makes me sick when they start trying to engage with the fans
We've got the worst owner in the league and I've said as much ever since he was here. However, the one thing I don't blame him for is the signings we make and the continual mismanagement of player contracts which we have got wrong now so many times. I can't keep up with all the boardroom shuffles but look at some of the farcical situations we've had with Pepe, Saliba, Mkhitariyan/Alexis, Ramsey, Ozil. What limited funds we do have, have been made all the worse by throwing money after bad rubbish and letting a few of the assets we did have to either leave for free or at a fraction of the prices they went for. It goes even further back than that too - I remember around the time Liverpool paid £35m for Andy Carroll, we were letting Fabregas leave for less and in instalments. Selling Martinez for £16m when Pickford went for £30m years before would be another example. Absolute fucktards on the commercial side of our club

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The point about Ozil is that he's never been out the picture in training. He has continued training throughout his "dropping" from Premier League and Europa League squads with the first team. He's not with the u-23's like Sokratis.
Re-introducing him to the registered squad is only a paperwork exercise and not a re-engage ment situation.
Whatever Arteta does with the first team during training, Ozil is included. That's why I think he'll be back in the squad January. That is of course unless he leaves.

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The only problem with comparing GG's to Arteta transfer activity is that Graham could get rid of players throughout the season, Arteta has transfer windows. Not to mention players rights.

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People seem to forget or ignore that it is not just the individual player contracts which count but also the commercial deals involved in some of the 'big' names players, football commerce is in no way relatable to how it was in GGs day and hasnt been for over two decades now. Add in the tie ins with Sky, BT etc and their advertising with certain players in certain shirts and it is far more complicated these days.

I dont think there is an individual on here who thinks our negotiators and contract writers are any good but the complications involved in contracts these days mean getting rid of players is considerably harder than it used to be. Bosman changed the game considerably but in retrospect I'm not sure that handing so much power to players and their agents was such a good thing, we just seem as a club to be utterly woeful when it comes to getting the right people to handle them these things correctly.

One of my daughters law modules this year is on sports contract law and she says it is an utter minefield because so many people have a say in the 'client's, Clubs, Agents, Family (for youngsters), Sponsors, other commercial entities etc.

Back to the main topic, it is seriously worrying that so many players are out on loan rather than off the books completely and rumours seem to be more concerned with more loans than sales which means come summer we're back to the same merry go round trying to get rid of them again. Much as I dislike Arteta I'm not convinced he has much say in the negotiating of contracts and merely indicates the players he doesnt need or want in the squad, after that it is up to others to get rid, others who are utter dogshite at doing their jobs and have been for a long long time :rubchin:

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Arteta will have definitely seen tonight the players that he can rely on. If he had any doubts about nelson, willock, pepe and aubameyang through the middle, then they answered him. I'm leaving luiz out of the list as it seems he's away this summer, unless an MLS team can tempt him in january.
Was hoping to see balogun tonight but i'll guess we have to wait for a non-premier league team in the next round.
Only, question raised tonight is why didn't leno play in the league cup against city? Pleased he played tonight as that double save at the end of 90 minutes, effectively won us the match

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Nos89 wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:19 pm
Arteta will have definitely seen tonight the players that he can rely on. If he had any doubts about nelson, willock, pepe and aubameyang through the middle, then they answered him. I'm leaving luiz out of the list as it seems he's away this summer, unless an MLS team can tempt him in january.
Was hoping to see balogun tonight but i'll guess we have to wait for a non-premier league team in the next round.
Only, question raised tonight is why didn't leno play in the league cup against city? Pleased he played tonight as that double save at the end of 90 minutes, effectively won us the match
Balogun has gone mate, the Athletic reported he has an agreement with an unknown European club to join them next season, thats why he wasnt in the squad.

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Lets be honest with each passing season we become less and less of a draw for players, the club needs a complete overhaul and under these owners and under this manager it is not going to happen. In the past we could argue various reasons to keep attracting better players, initially Chumps league football, history, London, class whatever but the more time goes by, the further we slip, the less attractive these other things become. For all the tongue in cheek cracks about mid-table team that is exactly what we have become under the Kroenkes and latter day Wenger.

The reason we end up with these ridiculous contracts is because in their infinite wisdom the idiots in charge think that keeping these people such as Ozil is more important than than cutting your losses, I could understand it if they were putting in performances week in week out and there was an option to rebuild around them but that is not going to happen, it is also why we end up with has-beens such as Willian.

Arteta is not the coach any of us want but on this one point I will defend him he didnt create the mess he stepped into it was already here, he may have made some things worse but it was abysmal before he arrived and that, is for me at least, the one reason a total novice coach should not have been appointed, it is also the one reason I believe he was, the power brokers wanted someone malleable and less likely to rock the boat or ask for what they didnt want to give. :rubchin:

Last nights game was stark for me, out of the starting line up the players I would actually consider worth keeping were KT, Leno although I'm not a huge fan and Mari who is slowly growing on me even though not a world beater......and that's it, not even PEA because I think he is exactly what my BvB mate warned me of, a sulky little bitch who only performs when things are perfect for him. It's truly scary when you look at it like that, they were supposedly some of our senior professionals last night and they looked like they were out for a stroll.

Defensively we lack a RB, a good back up LB for KT and a backup RB and then we can hope that between Gabriel, Saliba, Rikik, Holding, Chambers and Mari we find enough to build on, the rest of them are all surplus

Midfield we can keep ESR, Saka, Partey and maybe a few young guys brought in from the Academy, the less said about the rest of them the better

Forwards Martinelli although I'm seriously worried about his injury problems, Laca until someone better can be got in and although looking less and less likely Balogun, again the rest aren't worth the paycheck

So that is it, cant even build a balanced first 11 and a bench....... without seriously dipping into the Academy

Realistically it is a case of balancing off who is the least shit from the rest to keep a viable squad.... some people keep putting their heads in the clouds and saying that the squad isnt that bad but they are seriously deluded our squad is terrible and the attitude from some of them is utterly attrocious

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GoonerMuzz wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:18 am
Lets be honest with each passing season we become less and less of a draw for players, the club needs a complete overhaul and under these owners and under this manager it is not going to happen. In the past we could argue various reasons to keep attracting better players, initially Chumps league football, history, London, class whatever but the more time goes by, the further we slip, the less attractive these other things become. For all the tongue in cheek cracks about mid-table team that is exactly what we have become under the Kroenkes and latter day Wenger.

The reason we end up with these ridiculous contracts is because in their infinite wisdom the idiots in charge think that keeping these people such as Ozil is more important than than cutting your losses, I could understand it if they were putting in performances week in week out and there was an option to rebuild around them but that is not going to happen, it is also why we end up with has-beens such as Willian.

Arteta is not the coach any of us want but on this one point I will defend him he didnt create the mess he stepped into it was already here, he may have made some things worse but it was abysmal before he arrived and that, is for me at least, the one reason a total novice coach should not have been appointed, it is also the one reason I believe he was, the power brokers wanted someone malleable and less likely to rock the boat or ask for what they didnt want to give. :rubchin:

Last nights game was stark for me, out of the starting line up the players I would actually consider worth keeping were KT, Leno although I'm not a huge fan and Mari who is slowly growing on me even though not a world beater......and that's it, not even PEA because I think he is exactly what my BvB mate warned me of, a sulky little bitch who only performs when things are perfect for him. It's truly scary when you look at it like that, they were supposedly some of our senior professionals last night and they looked like they were out for a stroll.

Defensively we lack a RB, a good back up LB for KT and a backup RB and then we can hope that between Gabriel, Saliba, Rikik, Holding, Chambers and Mari we find enough to build on, the rest of them are all surplus

Midfield we can keep ESR, Saka, Partey and maybe a few young guys brought in from the Academy, the less said about the rest of them the better

Forwards Martinelli although I'm seriously worried about his injury problems, Laca until someone better can be got in and although looking less and less likely Balogun, again the rest aren't worth the paycheck

So that is it, cant even build a balanced first 11 and a bench....... without seriously dipping into the Academy

Realistically it is a case of balancing off who is the least shit from the rest to keep a viable squad.... some people keep putting their heads in the clouds and saying that the squad isnt that bad but they are seriously deluded our squad is terrible and the attitude from some of them is utterly attrocious
Jesus we are going to have to introduce a maximum word count on here...... :yawn:


:barscarf: Only fucking with ya buddy! :wink:

Have to agree with every word mate. We have a handful of decent players and half a handful of young players that an experienced manager might get more out of.

But at best we are currently a top 10 team - anywhere maybe from 10th to 6th - and that's only because the PL is complete shit and there are so many teams that are shitter than our shitness. :|

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Ok, the short version is we're about 12-15 players short of a squad nevermind a decent squad..... :roll:

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