CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[DB10GOONER]

The worrying bit that the anti-masker conspiracy nuts all like to ignore is that there are now serious scientific indications that there are long term side effects of covid infection that affect the heart lungs and brain and - more worryingly - no one is yet sure how severe those effects might be or for how long they may last.

So here's an idea - let's act like responsible adults and wear the fucking masks and let's lock shit down if it needs to be locked down and try slow / halt the spread of this virus rather than act like entitled brats and take the attitude of "well fuck everyone else it probably can't kill me".

[shu]

27 deaths today , it was 0-4 deaths per day 3 weeks ago . It is going up again.

[augie]

The worrying bit that the anti-masker conspiracy nuts all like to ignore is that there are now serious scientific indications that there are long term side effects of covid infection that affect the heart lungs and brain and - more worryingly - no one is yet sure how severe those effects might be or for how long they may last.

So here's an idea - let's act like responsible adults and wear the fucking masks and let's lock shit down if it needs to be locked down and try slow / halt the spread of this virus rather than act like entitled brats and take the attitude of "well fuck everyone else it probably can't kill me".

I agree with most of that buddy (especially the highlighted bit ), but the problem is that these "experts" seem to have less of a clue than you and me do and it leads to confusion and mis-trust. Maybe it isnt reasonable to expect them to have all the answers, but right now they dont seem to have any of the answers and we are in a never ending tunnel. Six long months into this pandemic and I honestly dont know if we are any further on in our ability to deal with it - some might say that the overall case numbers and deaths is not as high as it was way back then, but the flip side of that is that a lot of the very vulnerable have sadly already died and that leaves a much lower number of vulnerable people at risk now, and the same applies to regular cases.

You advocate lockdowns buddy, but for how long ? New Zealand's initial response was outstanding and it seemed that they had dealt with it, but every time they open up their country even a little bit, the rise in new cases comes back. Countries cannot stay locked down indefinitely, but anything other than a complete lockdown will not halt the spread cos there is no quick fix vaccine on the horizon either.

This has an "end of the world" movie feeling to it

[nut flush gooner]

People keep going on about deaths being low, with COVID it's a lagging effect in play.

So people dying today or this weekend highly likely caught the virus in August, when respiratory diseases are at their least potent. Now the weather is set to turn next week, less sunlight more rain and people spending more time indoors getting less Vitamin D (unless they supplement) so immune systems will naturally wane during the winter, by the time we get to January if people don't do the right things when they are out ie wear masks and have solid hand hygiene then I fear there will be a lot more people dying.

The case fatality rate for COVID has now been calculated around 0,3% which is a lot lower than what was thought to be last winter, but in saying that it's still three times the rate of seasonal flu. A lot of people will die this winter that shouldn't and that's because Boris and I have said this before is hopelessly out of his depth. Three letter slogans might get us out of the EU but they don't save lives, especially if people don't listen.

Should we ignore other illnesses to deal with COVID, of course not, but that's the government's problem not ours. I have a chronic condition that is quite active at the moment, and I have reached out to both my Consultant and Nurse Specialist in my local hospital. Neither of them have returned my calls, so for the time dealing with my GP I will self medicate and try and get through this period. As I am on immunosupressants no way can I consider a return to football this season really. Going for walks every day in the park for exercise, doing shopping by and large online and having quite a nomadic lifestyle with the family bubble not being that big is the way forward to keep safe. Haven't had a beer with gooner/other pals for months. Even pals who I talk to who are by and large healthy seem to be suffering.

It sucks, but I am trying to remain positive its six months we need to get through, by then the quacks will have much more understanding of what does and doesn't work to treat this horrible illness and hopefully they have anti virals that stop people from dying. That for me will be the game changer not the much lauded vaccine.

[bergkamp10]

So, as our dictators indicate we will be facing some form of lockdown, I ask again why ?
To protect us all from a “disease” that on it’s first “wave” wiped out 0.07% of the population, most of those in hospices and care homes?
The NHS workers “love in” being used as a unifying “in it together” tool to discourage any questioning of this shite!!

Blimey what planet are you on ?

March was only 6 months ago.
You saw what happened there - this virus explodes really quickly, it is called exponential growth.
The reality is we should already be locked down, because cases are going up really quick again.

Yes it wasn’t too bad first time around in the UK - only 40,000 or so died.
But this second wave will clash with the flu season and could be worse, much worse.

Warning from Spain - last 3 days there over 500 dead, that’s coming here within a couple of weeks.

I’m on planet earth, where 40000 thousand mostly “nearly already dead” died of covid!
500 in spain?
Yet again, care homes and infirm!
Fact 0.07% of the population likely to actually die!
Breast cancer, prostate cancer, road deaths?
Come on !

Problem is that’s not true - yes mostly elderly do die from it, but it affects younger people too.
There are plenty of 40 and 50 year olds currently on ventilators with this at the moment. And even if you don’t die the long term effects are now becoming clear, many younger people are struggling to recover properly several months on.

The point is if I go in a pub tomorrow I’m unlikely to suddenly get cancer, but there is a real chance I could get this.
That is the issue here.

No Rob. The difference is you can , if you feel threatened by this “pandemic” you can do loads if things to protect yourself!
Stay indoors!
Don’t mix!
Isolate!
Create a bubble??
You cant wirh cancer etc!
Why shouls 59.997 million people go into shutdown?

Goonsid, your post all read very true and are extremely sensible and basically true. It's also near on possible to gather any actual facts unless you dive down on pages within the Office for National Statistics (ONS) pages to see that actually the total numbers of deaths purely from Covid - 19 are much lower then reported in the main stream media. There are difficulties with the NHS reporting only Covid 19 synonyms V other health issues, especially underlying ones within people.

I was convinced back in March having myself heard a speech from Bill Gates at the Davos Forum in 2018 and 2019 that his Foundation mapped out it required a predicament or problematic virus to be able to map out a route to have most of the world's population untake a mandatory vaccine program, funded by the WHO and the Gates Foundation. To me this is where this whole saga is heading towards mandatory "track and trace" and vaccine passports. I know of more people that have died of cancer, heart or circulatory diseases then Covid-19.

I find it extremely hard to watch any news nowadays and don't get me started on the economic implications for the country.......................

[DB10GOONER]

It's not all about the death toll this week or last month or next week. As terrible as it is when anyone dies the bigger picture here is the long term social, health, and economic effects caused by the spread of infection where possibly huge numbers of people tie up health and financial resources because they now have long term health side effects caused by COVID infection. You might not die today from it but you might well spend the next 5 years seriously ill, draining the health service, and then die.

What a lot of people need to understand and accept is that the world has changed. Until they can suppress the symptoms / side effects or develop a working vaccine this is the world we live in.

[Jock Gooner]

So, as our dictators indicate we will be facing some form of lockdown, I ask again why ?
To protect us all from a “disease” that on it’s first “wave” wiped out 0.07% of the population, most of those in hospices and care homes?
The NHS workers “love in” being used as a unifying “in it together” tool to discourage any questioning of this shite!!

Blimey what planet are you on ?

March was only 6 months ago.
You saw what happened there - this virus explodes really quickly, it is called exponential growth.
The reality is we should already be locked down, because cases are going up really quick again.

Yes it wasn’t too bad first time around in the UK - only 40,000 or so died.
But this second wave will clash with the flu season and could be worse, much worse.

Warning from Spain - last 3 days there over 500 dead, that’s coming here within a couple of weeks.

I’m on planet earth, where 40000 thousand mostly “nearly already dead” died of covid!
500 in spain?
Yet again, care homes and infirm!
Fact 0.07% of the population likely to actually die!
Breast cancer, prostate cancer, road deaths?
Come on !

Problem is that’s not true - yes mostly elderly do die from it, but it affects younger people too.
There are plenty of 40 and 50 year olds currently on ventilators with this at the moment. And even if you don’t die the long term effects are now becoming clear, many younger people are struggling to recover properly several months on.

The point is if I go in a pub tomorrow I’m unlikely to suddenly get cancer, but there is a real chance I could get this.
That is the issue here.

No Rob. The difference is you can , if you feel threatened by this “pandemic” you can do loads if things to protect yourself!
Stay indoors!
Don’t mix!
Isolate!
Create a bubble??
You cant wirh cancer etc!
Why shouls 59.997 million people go into shutdown?

Absolutely spot on Sid. My missus had her first breast screening a couple of weeks ago and got a call back The call back rate is 4 out of 100 so we were shitting ourselves.

Trust me Covid wasn't even on our radar when we were driving into the hospital, didn't give it a fu.cking second thought. Thankfully after the recall she was given the all clear so we were lucky but covid....fuck covid.

We can't continue to fu.ck about with society with lockdowns every 2 minutes when Boris throws a wobbly.

Are we going to have daily death counts on the news for all diseases this winter to make it more interesting? Seems a bit unfair that nobody gave two shits about the 50,000 that used to die from flu in the winter or all the pneumonia deaths unreported.

[begeegs]

I agree with most of that buddy (especially the highlighted bit ), but the problem is that these "experts" seem to have less of a clue than you and me do and it leads to confusion and mis-trust. Maybe it isnt reasonable to expect them to have all the answers, but right now they dont seem to have any of the answers and we are in a never ending tunnel. Six long months into this pandemic and I honestly dont know if we are any further on in our ability to deal with it - some might say that the overall case numbers and deaths is not as high as it was way back then, but the flip side of that is that a lot of the very vulnerable have sadly already died and that leaves a much lower number of vulnerable people at risk now, and the same applies to regular cases.

You advocate lockdowns buddy, but for how long ? New Zealand's initial response was outstanding and it seemed that they had dealt with it, but every time they open up their country even a little bit, the rise in new cases comes back. Countries cannot stay locked down indefinitely, but anything other than a complete lockdown will not halt the spread cos there is no quick fix vaccine on the horizon either.

This has an "end of the world" movie feeling to it

I think that it is really hard to gauge from the scientific community because there really isn't a united front involved. There are loads of factions and politics involved which tend to skew any sort of real meaningful research. That being said, it is true that it seems that scientists are learning on the fly (and because of the lack of any coherent reseach), so it is only natural that we are seeing differences in the reporting and research surrounding it.

However, what this pandemic is doing is showing the globe is that the US version of Capitalism isn't the answer. It really has taken any gloss off of any privatisation of the NHS, in my view.

[goonersid]

The worrying bit that the anti-masker conspiracy nuts all like to ignore is that there are now serious scientific indications that there are long term side effects of covid infection that affect the heart lungs and brain and - more worryingly - no one is yet sure how severe those effects might be or for how long they may last.

So here's an idea - let's act like responsible adults and wear the fucking masks and let's lock shit down if it needs to be locked down and try slow / halt the spread of this virus rather than act like entitled brats and take the attitude of "well fuck everyone else it probably can't kill me".

I don’t personally believe that there is any big conspiracy.
I do however believe we are being led by ignorance.
I don’t wear a mask because I don’t believe it makes much of a difference, I don’t walk around coughing and sneezing and neither do most people.
On lockdowns, surely the onus should be on the vulnerable not to put themselves in potentially hazardous situations? And those who have vulnerable relatives to act responsibly!
Why does the whole country have to shutdown, to protect a tiny tiny minority?
It’s nuts!

[herbert]

The worrying bit that the anti-masker conspiracy nuts all like to ignore is that there are now serious scientific indications that there are long term side effects of covid infection that affect the heart lungs and brain and - more worryingly - no one is yet sure how severe those effects might be or for how long they may last.

So here's an idea - let's act like responsible adults and wear the fucking masks and let's lock shit down if it needs to be locked down and try slow / halt the spread of this virus rather than act like entitled brats and take the attitude of "well fuck everyone else it probably can't kill me".

I don’t personally believe that there is any big conspiracy.
I do however believe we are being led by ignorance.
I don’t wear a mask because I don’t believe it makes much of a difference, I don’t walk around coughing and sneezing and neither do most people.
On lockdowns, surely the onus should be on the vulnerable not to put themselves in potentially hazardous situations? And those who have vulnerable relatives to act responsibly!
Why does the whole country have to shutdown, to protect a tiny tiny minority?
It’s nuts!

The onus should be on everyone to do the right thing and act responsibly when it comes to slipping on a mask for 5/10 minutes

If we all wear a mask when we go in to a shop or any enclosed public space or large public gathering then it will slow the virus to a level that means the emergency services can cope with the numbers of infections and we wont need a lockdown

Two hair stylists tested positive for covid so they contacted all 139 customers who had been in the weeks before but the stylists wore masks and hand protection and made the customers wear masks and not one customer tested positive

I dont like wearing a mask but to protect the vunerable and the nhs services I always slip one on when I go into a public enclosed space its such an easy thing to do and if it helps one person from being stuck on a machine thats breathing for them then it would have all been worth it

[IW8Goalmachine]

The worrying bit that the anti-masker conspiracy nuts all like to ignore is that there are now serious scientific indications that there are long term side effects of covid infection that affect the heart lungs and brain and - more worryingly - no one is yet sure how severe those effects might be or for how long they may last.

So here's an idea - let's act like responsible adults and wear the fucking masks and let's lock shit down if it needs to be locked down and try slow / halt the spread of this virus rather than act like entitled brats and take the attitude of "well fuck everyone else it probably can't kill me".

I don’t personally believe that there is any big conspiracy.
I do however believe we are being led by ignorance.
I don’t wear a mask because I don’t believe it makes much of a difference, I don’t walk around coughing and sneezing and neither do most people.
On lockdowns, surely the onus should be on the vulnerable not to put themselves in potentially hazardous situations? And those who have vulnerable relatives to act responsibly!
Why does the whole country have to shutdown, to protect a tiny tiny minority?
It’s nuts!

The onus should be on everyone to do the right thing and act responsibly when it comes to slipping on a mask for 5/10 minutes

If we all wear a mask when we go in to a shop or any enclosed public space or large public gathering then it will slow the virus to a level that means the emergency services can cope with the numbers of infections and we wont need a lockdown

Two hair stylists tested positive for covid so they contacted all 139 customers who had been in the weeks before but the stylists wore masks and hand protection and made the customers wear masks and not one customer tested positive

I dont like wearing a mask but to protect the vunerable and the nhs services I always slip one on when I go into a public enclosed space its such an easy thing to do and if it helps one person from being stuck on a machine thats breathing for them then it would have all been worth it

Exactly.

People are being asked to wear a mask when in enclosed spaces. You'd swear we are being asked to bend over for the shop manager to have a go on us!

this crowd with their conspiracies is comical. While they protest they have it up on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Three companies that they have probably given all their personal details to and more

[DB10GOONER]

The worrying bit that the anti-masker conspiracy nuts all like to ignore is that there are now serious scientific indications that there are long term side effects of covid infection that affect the heart lungs and brain and - more worryingly - no one is yet sure how severe those effects might be or for how long they may last.

So here's an idea - let's act like responsible adults and wear the fucking masks and let's lock shit down if it needs to be locked down and try slow / halt the spread of this virus rather than act like entitled brats and take the attitude of "well fuck everyone else it probably can't kill me".

I don’t personally believe that there is any big conspiracy.
I do however believe we are being led by ignorance.
I don’t wear a mask because I don’t believe it makes much of a difference, I don’t walk around coughing and sneezing and neither do most people.
On lockdowns, surely the onus should be on the vulnerable not to put themselves in potentially hazardous situations? And those who have vulnerable relatives to act responsibly!
Why does the whole country have to shutdown, to protect a tiny tiny minority?
It’s nuts!

The onus should be on everyone to do the right thing and act responsibly when it comes to slipping on a mask for 5/10 minutes

If we all wear a mask when we go in to a shop or any enclosed public space or large public gathering then it will slow the virus to a level that means the emergency services can cope with the numbers of infections and we wont need a lockdown

Two hair stylists tested positive for covid so they contacted all 139 customers who had been in the weeks before but the stylists wore masks and hand protection and made the customers wear masks and not one customer tested positive

I dont like wearing a mask but to protect the vunerable and the nhs services I always slip one on when I go into a public enclosed space its such an easy thing to do and if it helps one person from being stuck on a machine thats breathing for them then it would have all been worth it

Brilliantly put Herbert. Agree with every word. It's an inconvenience, a nuisance, but if it even saves one life it's worth it.

And something that is not well known: dying from a respiratory disease like COVID is deeply deeply unpleasant and horrific. My mate's a doctor and what he described is horrific - No other word for it.

To the anti-maskers: how would you feel if you inflicted that on a loved one? Think about that when you refuse to wear a mask and then just do the decent thing.

[Gunner Rob]

return of crowds put on hold I see.

the reality is that this season is a write off in terms of crowds returning - until a vaccine happens there will not be full stadiums again, that is the just the way it is going to be.

best that can be hoped for is maybe test events in the spring.

financially a lot of the lower league/non clubs are stuffed.
even for us with the stupid wages being paid we will struggle.

it sickens me that Ozil is paid £350,000 a week to do nothing.

[augie]

return of crowds put on hold I see.

the reality is that this season is a write off in terms of crowds returning - until a vaccine happens there will not be full stadiums again, that is the just the way it is going to be.

best that can be hoped for is maybe test events in the spring.

financially a lot of the lower league/non clubs are stuffed.
even for us with the stupid wages being paid we will struggle.

it sickens me that Ozil is paid £350,000 a week to do nothing.

Write off the next 2 or 3 seasons minimum so

[Gunner Rob]

Football needs a reset.
Without crowds players cannot expect to get paid the big wages they get, its unsustainable