I was always against Brexit yes, but that doesn't mean I ever supported Corbyn.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:28 amTest and Trace only works if you have a compliant population, it's just a tad naive to expect one measure to dig us out of this hole.Gunner Rob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:04 amThe Test and Trace system has got everything to do with the economy - until it works better we can't fully reopen up our economy.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:04 amWhat's that got to do with a discussion about the economy? No one disputes Test and Trace has been a farce but remember Labour bankrupted the economy the last time they were in power. You are soo politically biased when it comes to Brexit or COVID it's not true.Gunner Rob wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:15 amyou realise that despite spending £23 billion on a test and trace system we currently have the highest death rate from COVID in the world ?nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:08 am
You obviously haven’t read what I said about lockdown Rob, the one thing I am disputing about the last few posts you have made that is inaccurate is suggesting that a short lockdown prevents recessions.
New Zealand whilst being a model for lockdown, isn’t on the doorstep of a large continent. Nor is it an international hub for business. It didn't lock down for only four weeks either.
Lockdown as an instrument needs to be used in a different way, depending on the behaviour of the population. Taiwan didn't need to fully lockdown because they had a compliant population who wore masks immediately amongst other things, when the outbreak began in Wuhan. New Zealand is also like Australia in the middle of summer, the risk of infection spread is much lower over there as respiratory diseases generally thrive in winter months.
You also have an inability to accept things would be just as bad under a Labour govt. If you think Boris is a ditherer, Corbyn wouldnt have the balls to tell people what to do. He couldn't even control his own party remember. The anti maskers/vaxxers would have a field day. I suspect Starmer may be more decisive but he wouldn't be PM would he if Labour won the General Election.
anyone thinking that things would be just as bad under anyone else is totally deluded.
Clueless Corbyn would have presided over just as many deaths as Bungling Boris, they are both Libertarians at heart. Strong leadership is not a quality of either of them.
Boris has gambled everything on the vaccine and today we are starting to see delays.
Realistically if you just gamble everything on the vaccine then restrictions here in the UK are unlikely to be lifted very much before June, which will be a disaster for many businesses.
I am not sure why you keep going on about the Labour party and Corbyn. Labour are not in power and Corbyn is (thankfully) long gone.
This is all on the Tories and they need to be held to account far more than they have been.
To say things might have been worse under Labour is quite frankly pathetic.
Open your eyes and look all over Social Media it's not only full of conspiracists but also scientists that are against the principle of lockdown. Michael Yeadon, former Pfizer executive has relentlessly been tweeting since the pandemic began and has thousands of followers. Can you not appreciate how dangerous it is to have someone so well qualified, go against the company who is supposed to get us out of the shit with their vaccine?
The Germans got Test and Trace set up pretty early in the first wave, and now they are relying on a superior healthcare system to save lives because their population has had enough of lockdown. There are widescale protests against it across the country. The Asians, having experience of dealing with previous outbreaks of a similar virus have through compliance of their people combined with technology kept deaths down to a minimum. COVID severity is also down to lifestyle. The Japanese eat a shed ton of seafood, full of vitamin D. Some scientists have suggested that this may one reason they have a fraction of the deaths. Here in the UK we are more likely to go down the pub than into a sushi bar.
Clummo is right, for all the failings of the Govt. this is down to the people now. When Boris offered us all 3 household gatherings at Christmas why did people not come to a consensus with their families that just for one year it wouldn't be a good idea to get together. I will tell you, pure selfishness and not having the ability to see further than their own life bubbles. It was so fucking obvious the death rate would shoot up.
I have been slammed on this thread for having a go at the Conservatives, but by the same token would Labour have honestly done any better. And I have never seen you say anything negative about Corbyn on the Brexit thread, ever. So to hear you say you are glad that he has gone now, blows my mind. To me it's ideology over individual principles. Thats why I think that Corbyn would have presided over just as bad a shit shower as Boris. And I didn't say things would be worse, no one knows for sure. We can only base our opinions on form.
He was the worst leader that the Labour party ever had.
Again not sure what that's got to do with this thread. The Conservatives are in power and they continue to make mistake after mistake.
With currently the highest death rate in the world I think it is fair to suggest that just about anyone could be doing a better job than them at the moment.
To blame the people you have to ask why are our people so much worse than anyone else?
And it comes back down to the rules. I actually think most people are following the rules, it is just that the rules are far too soft.
Why are so many kids still going to school when they are supposed to be closed?
Why are so many people travelling to work still?
Why are cafes, garden centres open still?
A half hearted lockdown is no good for anyone.
1. it will mean a much longer lockdown is required
2. it will destroy the economy