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Perryashburtongroves wrote:
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On the topic of Wembley not being fit for purpose, how have they managed to get a safety certificate for 90,000 people to be in a stadium with only one way in or out, up Wembley Way?
Anyone who has been caught in that jam knows you can’t go forward or go back and you’re literally stuck like sardines in a can.
All it would take is one Manchester Arena- type nutcase and there would be hundreds, possibly thousands, dead.
Do you remember when they had the discussion about whether to rebuild Wembley or move the national stadium to Birmingham? One of the big things against Wembley was exactly that, the complete and utter lack of transport options other than the one tube station. Yes, Wembley Park has been done up but it is still nowhere near efficient enough for those big crowds. I also find it absolutely staggering that this ground which is what, 15 years old, is so easy to access without a ticket. I remember seeing footage of Manure fans when they played Barcelona in the Champions League Final there, basically opening a door and just wandering in from the outside and I've read stories from supporters of other teams who have played games there getting loads in by doing the two at a time thing at the turnstile. Quite how this is allowed to happen or a crowd without tickets get so near and in such high numbers is not only an utter disgrace but a real threat to public safety. If it is all down to the police refusing to work because the costs aren't paid by whoever it is that owns Wembley, then major matches need to be moved away from there straight away.
Ive been to Wembley when its full several times since it was rebuilt. Never felt like there was an issue with overcrowding going in or out. The problem for the final was simple, there was officially 60,000 inside the ground but comfortably more outside without tickets hanging around wembley way and the road that leads to the Arena. Thats why it was a problem for people getting in, plus there were pissed up people either nicking tickets or rushing the cordens around the ground and then the turnstiles.

Birmingham would be a disaster for a national stadium without a big infrastructure overhaul on the roads and railways/local transport. Wembley manages because its next to the a406 not far from the M1 and there is three lines going into the stadium from Baker Street/Marylebone. Its effectively ten minutes from Central London.

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nut flush gooner wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:37 pm
Perryashburtongroves wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:32 pm
Kingralph wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:28 am
On the topic of Wembley not being fit for purpose, how have they managed to get a safety certificate for 90,000 people to be in a stadium with only one way in or out, up Wembley Way?
Anyone who has been caught in that jam knows you can’t go forward or go back and you’re literally stuck like sardines in a can.
All it would take is one Manchester Arena- type nutcase and there would be hundreds, possibly thousands, dead.
Do you remember when they had the discussion about whether to rebuild Wembley or move the national stadium to Birmingham? One of the big things against Wembley was exactly that, the complete and utter lack of transport options other than the one tube station. Yes, Wembley Park has been done up but it is still nowhere near efficient enough for those big crowds. I also find it absolutely staggering that this ground which is what, 15 years old, is so easy to access without a ticket. I remember seeing footage of Manure fans when they played Barcelona in the Champions League Final there, basically opening a door and just wandering in from the outside and I've read stories from supporters of other teams who have played games there getting loads in by doing the two at a time thing at the turnstile. Quite how this is allowed to happen or a crowd without tickets get so near and in such high numbers is not only an utter disgrace but a real threat to public safety. If it is all down to the police refusing to work because the costs aren't paid by whoever it is that owns Wembley, then major matches need to be moved away from there straight away.
Ive been to Wembley when its full several times since it was rebuilt. Never felt like there was an issue with overcrowding going in or out. The problem for the final was simple, there was officially 60,000 inside the ground but comfortably more outside without tickets hanging around wembley way and the road that leads to the Arena. Thats why it was a problem for people getting in, plus there were pissed up people either nicking tickets or rushing the cordens around the ground and then the turnstiles.

Birmingham would be a disaster for a national stadium without a big infrastructure overhaul on the roads and railways/local transport. Wembley manages because its next to the a406 not far from the M1 and there is three lines going into the stadium from Baker Street/Marylebone. Its effectively ten minutes from Central London.
Having to go to Birmingham is a disaster full-stop. I know what you mean about previous games there, we all sort of trust the system that all will be fine. This time , though, it looks very much like complete and utter naivety on the part of whoever it was organising it that there wouldn't be loads of drunken thugs acting like *word censored*.

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Perryashburtongroves wrote:
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Fuck me, reading the reports and looking at the pictures of the behaviour at Wembley last night is sickening. What the fuck is this shit about lobbing beer about and chucking fucking bottles? Fucking grow up. Then there's the storming the turnstiles which absolutely horrifies me. These poor fucking teenagers paid a pittance to Steward these events at Wembley having to deal with that is absolutely disgusting. It's been going on for years at Wembley, cûnts trying to storm through doors or side entrances and nobody seems to care. From what I've read, it's down to Wembley Stadium refusing to pay policing costs but if a football club won't pay their costs, they aren't granted a safety certificate and therefore the right to host a public sporting event. So, why the fuck are they or the FA or whoever allowed to get away with this? Part of me thinks it's because when they hold domestic matches, the crowd is split and the fans actually do a good job of policing themselves and keeping each other in check. When it's In-ger-land, it seems to be open season on fucking thuggery and general cûntishness, with 18 year olds reckoning they're hard after two Kaliber shandies and a puff of a fag. And fuck the fucking press too, because they've fuelled this shit for years with pictures of chavs lobbing lager about and leaping around when international tournaments are held. Almost as if they've told the public that that's how you have to behave to enjoy it.
The pictures of Wembley Way from lunchtime onwards were terrible and how the fuck that was allowed to happen, I really don't know. Why aren't there ticket checks and exclusion zones? How the fuck are the hordes of pissed up chavs without tickets allowed to congregate en masse? The whole ground is a mess and it needs sorting out because right now, our ground or Old Trafford is better equipped to hosts these matches.
Excellent post PAG Couldn't agree more.


Footage shown on the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57823364

Makes you laugh when the Plod "admitted' SOME fans did breach security and get inside.


Just put up Mega-steel shutters and narrow entrances any fuckker stupid enough to try and steal their way in - Spray them with indelible Ink AND Taser the fuckkers. :box: :barscarf:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
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Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
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The worst german team in years by a distance and a danish team missing their best player, and you are saying that there is very little difference between those opponents compared to spain and belgium ??? Were you on the sauce last night buddy ?? They are night and day in comparison, and hugely inferior opponents that england faced - there is no shame in admitting that cos you still have to take advantage of it (which ye did), bou cant with a straight face try to argue that point
Ohh here we go, because England beat Germany they are the worst team they've had for years. It may not have occurred to you Augie, that the Germans are masters of finding a way in these tournaments no matter what quality of team/squad they put out.

You could say exactly the same of Spain, Morata upfront really???!! Belgium also has a history of choking in big tournaments.

Totally blinkered opinions coming from over the Irish Sea.
I think that's wrong and a bit unfair on augie, Nutty. Say what you want about augie (fat, bald, sister-marrying culchie etc :wink: ) but in general his opinions are genuine. They are often wrong - but genuine! :lol: :wink:

I agree about the German team. This particular team were poor technically but also lacked the effort and cohesion that might have previously carried a poor German team through.

It has to be said England got to the final of a poor quality tournament. That's not bias or jealousy it's just a fact. Not a reflection on England they still had to go out there and beat those teams and they did mostly. But it's not a great England team and Borat is a poor to average manager that makes too many very basic mistakes.

Getting to the final is still a great achievement and was a great lift for your country after a shit 18 months.
The thing is, DB, that it is never that England played well. It always has to be because of a "poor" this or "lucky" that. I agree that the German team are nowhere near the quality they once were but they have a team full of players who are capable of pulling magic out of the hat. Muller, Kross, Gnabry, to name three players who could make a difference in a heartbeat. So, it CAN be annoying to constantly read how poor x team was and take away from the fact that it was a solid England performance.

This England team has the firepower to blow any side away, if they play attacking football. The first-half last night is a testament to that. The problem is the manager. Southgate is terrified of conceding a goal so we set up so rigidly that we look scared to move. England's defence and goalkeeper aren't that great, I admit. The attacking power, though, is. Let's not forget that the England team is full of players who have won things with their respective club (and Harry Kane). There's plenty of ability and experience there to turn England into a genuinely threatening team.

Poor quality tournament isn't a fair reflection either. I think this Euros has had some of the better international matches I've seen in years. That's not me speaking from an England perspective, but as a whole. Then again, international football is largely a shite borefest so it made a nice change, nonetheless.
I take your point but I don't agree with most of it tbh. The one question I would ask you though - which games did you think were great games to watch? Bar two or three I thought most were boring and sluggish. There looked like a lot of heavy legs in most of them.
'Great' is a stretch lol.

Generally, the France v Switzerland was one of the best international games I've seen in a while. Not necessarily because of any particular flare or technical skill, or even the score, but for the simple fact that it was a good ol' fashion knockout game. Big team taking the lead, thinking they've got it in the bag, the lesser team fights back and takes it to pens and wins. I enjoy that. Take that for most of the knockout games; It wasn't simply just a runaway for the 'big' teams. France had to fight (and it stunned them) and they lost. The Germans were shockingly different. Portugal didn't get a run going. Spain didn't have it easy. Italy didn't truly have it smooth - they went to extra time three times. Whether you chalk it up to the fs t that these teams aren't as good as recent years, the anomalous nature of the tournament or whatever - it was gritty, and it made a change for, the usual one or two teams blitzing every game.

I enjoyed this years tournament more than years of other international tournaments. I admit, that's not saying much though.

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augie wrote:
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Gutted England lost. Yes there is the usual ramblings of what Southgate could've done differently, however, Italy did outplay England and are worthy European champions. Saka is an incredible kid that stood up to be counted. Looked as nervous as hell but he still took it.
Southgate is a top manager. He's got to a World Cup semi final and Euros final. He has been educating himself as an international manager starting with england u-21's. He will lead England to a trophy or two because that is the strategy adopted by the FA. We have undoubted talent in all areas its just we don't see it because of the blinkered premier league.
This Euros is a stepping stone towards the World Cup in 2022. That was the plan of the FA in 2012, when St George's park was given the go ahead.
All this crap about "if England had a decent manager they would have won" is bollocks. England have had two very successful club managers the last 20 years, with "the golden generation" and never got further than a qtr-final.
If you're English you need to trust the process.


Stop - you are killing me :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit:

Btw does the undoubted talent in all area's, include the keeper's and centre back positions ? Pickford is a decent keeper no more, and maguire is bog average and his passes found touch more times last night than johnny wilkinson ever did at his peak in twickernam (sp :oops: ) :roll: :roll:
I would argue that despite his good performances in this tournament, shaw is an average player who will be torn a new one by saka and others in the coming season.
The lack of a creative midfielder in that team borders on a disgrace, and could well have been the difference between winning and losing last night
Are you talking about England or Arsenal??

I think there are better English keepers then Pickford but you cannot deny he had an excellent tournament. Maguire wouldn't be my first choice I thought Stones and Mings were a better balance. Mings needs to move to a club to gain top level experience.
Creative midfield? The players were in the squad but weren't played as Southgate set out from the start, that if you don't concede, you don't lose. Which other teams have done in the past when they are trying to build a decent international team. Germany, Italy, Spain and France have all adapted this way until they won something. Look at Greece in 2004, Spain 2008 and 2010. England will win a trophy in the next three tournaments. This was another stepping stone.
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If this is a poor quality Euros based on the fact England reached the final, how shit are Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Brazil.

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If this is a poor quality Euros based on the fact England reached the final, how shit are Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Brazil.
Jesus Christ mate pull your knickers up ffs! :lol: :roll:

No one said that. What a few of us pointed out is that Borat is not a great manager and this England team are not the best in the world or even Europe. Your media (and you) have blown this England team out of all proportion. They did well to get to the final but that has to be balanced by the fact many of the so called bigger nations were quite poor. It's not an insult ffs.

Oireland? Completely shit team managed by an amateur. Being honest and pragmatic about that doesn't hurt us the way it seems to hurt you!

And er cough cough Brazil don't qualify to play in Europe.... :lol: :wink:

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If this is a poor quality Euros based on the fact England reached the final, how shit are Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal and Brazil.



I would agree with your assessment on all those teams bar france - they still have quality players but are gone back to the 1980's and early 90s france where if there is a way to implode and shoot themselves in the foot, then you can be sure that they will do it :roll:

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Nos89 wrote:
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Gutted England lost. Yes there is the usual ramblings of what Southgate could've done differently, however, Italy did outplay England and are worthy European champions. Saka is an incredible kid that stood up to be counted. Looked as nervous as hell but he still took it.
Southgate is a top manager. He's got to a World Cup semi final and Euros final. He has been educating himself as an international manager starting with england u-21's. He will lead England to a trophy or two because that is the strategy adopted by the FA. We have undoubted talent in all areas its just we don't see it because of the blinkered premier league.
This Euros is a stepping stone towards the World Cup in 2022. That was the plan of the FA in 2012, when St George's park was given the go ahead.
All this crap about "if England had a decent manager they would have won" is bollocks. England have had two very successful club managers the last 20 years, with "the golden generation" and never got further than a qtr-final.
If you're English you need to trust the process.


Stop - you are killing me :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit: :coffeespit:

Btw does the undoubted talent in all area's, include the keeper's and centre back positions ? Pickford is a decent keeper no more, and maguire is bog average and his passes found touch more times last night than johnny wilkinson ever did at his peak in twickernam (sp :oops: ) :roll: :roll:
I would argue that despite his good performances in this tournament, shaw is an average player who will be torn a new one by saka and others in the coming season.
The lack of a creative midfielder in that team borders on a disgrace, and could well have been the difference between winning and losing last night
Are you talking about England or Arsenal??

I think there are better English keepers then Pickford but you cannot deny he had an excellent tournament. Maguire wouldn't be my first choice I thought Stones and Mings were a better balance. Mings needs to move to a club to gain top level experience.
Creative midfield? The players were in the squad but weren't played as Southgate set out from the start, that if you don't concede, you don't lose. Which other teams have done in the past when they are trying to build a decent international team. Germany, Italy, Spain and France have all adapted this way until they won something. Look at Greece in 2004, Spain 2008 and 2010. England will win a trophy in the next three tournaments. This was another stepping stone.



My comment about the lack of creative midfielder specified THE TEAM - I know that there is creative midfielders in the squad, and I know full well that southgate is the reason why there is no creativity in your midfield

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Augie you really hate England don’t you ??? Or am I wrong , yet you support a English football team , one in another country , that is just so Irish . Don’t you have Sligo Rovers or Coleraine etc ?

So out of interest which England players wouldn’t get in the Arsenal team ?

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augie wrote:
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Redarmy wrote:
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Saka has been horrifically racially abused online. No surprise there I suppose. :roll:

I just hope the authorities actually do something about these neanderthal cùnt keyboard warriors. Give a couple of these racist sub-human vermin 5 years in prison and watch this shit dry up in the blink of an eye.

Was nice to see though one Gooner posted "we still love you". 8)
Disgusting the way he and the other young players that missed have been treated on Social Media.

It is about time, these accounts are verified with proof of ID and the people responsible are made an example of.

Arsenal meanwhile will have to pick up the pieces, I have no doubt Gooners will give Saka a rousing reception first home game next season.

Why oh why did Southgate make so many tactical mistakes this game, when he almost got it spot on for the rest of the tournament. Grealish and Sterling for sure should have stepped up and said they wanted to take one before Saka. At least give Southgate the option.



But did he though ? What are you basing that on ? Like it or not you have to accept that england had a piss easy run to the final (and even at that they were played off the park by a poor scotland team), so where was he challenged ? Have people not complained all tournament about his continued practice of playing 2 defensive midfielders and their subsequent inability as a team to retain possession ? Last night that was shown up as the weakness it was. Before the game I wondered if southgate was trying to do a pep when he changed the formation (and dropped saka) and tried to come across as a smarter tactician than he actually is - you go from 3 attackers to 2, and you play a number 10 (mount) who again showed that he isnt the level that many talk him up to be, and you play 2 midfielders who cannot retain possession, and automatically you are inviting the italians onto you

Am I the only one who thinks that all this bullshit in the build up to the game about an extra bank holiday and a knighthood for southgate, has to be a distraction to the players ?
Will add my take for what its worth...

Southgate done well generally with his set ups as the resuts prove

Dont like the midfield...too much bite and not enough creativity

The changes he made did help Italy get in more spaces around the defence, can see what he was trying to do push forward a bit more and take a few chances

That said it was a good game, as i said previously just think Italy have a little more

Enjoyed the game and the tournament

also ridiculous to abuse players who missed pens...thats the modern world i guess...just like the moron who invaded the pitch for his 5 mins of you tube fame....fucking mug



Yesday afternoon I watched the first 10 minutes (again) of the BT documentary "no hunger in paradise" which looked at the pressures on young players trying to come through the academies (excellent documentary actually) - anyway in those first 10 minutes it should clips of england winning 3 european championships at underage level in the past 5 years or so, and it reminded me that southgate has had some fine talent coming through the fa set up in recent years, and he is no miracle worker to get them that far. I dont think that it is an ott statement to say that england have probably the most promising crop of young players in europe right now, and yes that includes the french.
I also think the results point is misleading cos it fails to recognise the lack of quality in the opponents they faced
I have reserved critiscim of Southgate ( no fanof his) ...but a manager is judged by his results....and generally he did well...

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I cant believe how quickly the knifes are out for Southgate. Im hearing he needs to be sacked and replaced with a 'proper' manager as this England team is so talented that Southgate's limitations as a manager are fault for England not winning the World Cup and Euro's. Ive heard this before when England were stocked with Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Roo, Terry Cole ect. The 'golden generation' shouldn't be wasted and a top tier continental manager was brought in which was Capello & England were still shit.

Who the fuck would want this job where an entire nation think you should be winning World Cups and Euro's & not doing so is considered a failure. As if this England team has Dino Zoff in goal, Beckenbauer at centre half Zidane in midfield and front three of Maradona, Messi and Ronaldo, Pele on the bench.

Southgate did everything he can to give this team a shot at winning. The penalty line up was a spectacular failure but I get the feeling three senior players (Grealish, Shaw and Sterling) shit themselves at the thought of taking a penalty & Southgate had no option. He says the penalty line up was his choice, but does anyone really think Harry McGuire was a 'choice'? McGuire took a penalty because he put his hand up, not because he was one of five chosen. Grealish, Shaw and Sterling all ducked.

This was the closest England have been to success since 66, and its official, Southgate is England's most successful England manager after Alf Ramsey. He has gotten England deep into two consecutive international tournaments when so many other managers have failed to be competitive, in even one tournament.

Perhaps he is to 'nice', but he seems to have good rapport with the players and puts them at ease. They also seem to want to play for him. Southgate is now the 'England Manager' with authority over the role. If people think sacking Southgate is the answer, your wrong. Although he should be a bit more ruthless. I think Sterling should be phased out given Saka, Foden, Sancho are coming through and Sterling proved himself a fairy boy.


Apart from the brainless social media mong's, I dont think anyone actually believes that sacking southgate is the answer now. That being said, southgate DID NOT do everything he could to give england success - his best players are all attacking players, but throughout the tournament he played defensive football and deprived them of service, so why would you basically nullify your own best players ??
He was a defender he has that mentality...he is cautious and over safe on his selections....but give the guy some credit...he lost just the one game against a good Italian side...on penaltys

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Augie you really hate England don’t you ??? Or am I wrong , yet you support a English football team , one in another country , that is just so Irish . Don’t you have Sligo Rovers or Coleraine etc ?

So out of interest which England players wouldn’t get in the Arsenal team ?
Sorry but that's a nonsense post. Because he doesn't think England are as good as your media and a few delusional fans think England are, he "hates England"?

You might also want to explain "that is just so Irish" buddy.

The last time I saw gash like "Don’t you have Sligo Rovers or Coleraine etc ?" on here it was posted by a little arsehole that lived closer to tottnumb than he did to Arsenal..... :oops: :lol:

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I don’t think Augie hates England. He’s just jealous.

Ireland internationally are a joke. The most successful period was under an Englishman, with a decent portion of the squad made up of… Englishmen. Even now Ireland are sniffing around Bamford. Obafemi up front… went to school in Romford. :lol:

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Saka statement. The guy just oozes class at all levels.

https://twitter.com/BukayoSaka87/status ... 2708680717

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