Who the fuck ?RossieGooner wrote:Me.
For not posting anything for over 3 years.....
Who the fuck ?
Who the fucking hell are you ?
All we need now is Eboue to return.............hang on a minute
Who the fuck ?RossieGooner wrote:Me.
For not posting anything for over 3 years.....
arseofacrow wrote:Yep, welcome back mate.DB10GOONER wrote:WTF??!! I thought you'd died or something!!RossieGooner wrote:Me.
For not posting anything for over 3 years.....
Welcome back RG.
Nothing's changed.
Yup! whatever you do don't mention the Clique.RossieGooner wrote:arseofacrow wrote:Yep, welcome back mate.DB10GOONER wrote:WTF??!! I thought you'd died or something!!RossieGooner wrote:Me.
For not posting anything for over 3 years.....
Welcome back RG.
Nothing's changed.
Thanks much guys.
I see the same old shite is being trotted out 3 years on.......
And things haven't changed much on the forum either
The BMA are more interested in spreading bile, scare-mongering and causing hysteria than anything constructive.Theoperator wrote:Jeremy Hunt.
A contract imposed is not a contract
northbank123 wrote:T
northbank123 wrote:The BMA are more interested in spreading bile, scare-mongering and causing hysteria than anything constructive.Theoperator wrote:Jeremy Hunt.
A contract imposed is not a contract
Doctors here work hard under a lot of pressure, their work is obviously tremendously important and they are not particular well-paid compared to their colleagues in comparable countries. That said there is a lot of mis-information about their pay packet as it is - for example every F1 (first year) junior goes around claiming that they "only" earn £23k a year, whereas in fact the majority of their posts are 40% banded and they are therefore earning well over £30k a year, plus £84 every time they fill out a crematorium form (which none of them declare as income) before you even consider the fantastic ancillary benefits (not least a wonderful pension scheme). Plus the fact that unlike for example a partner at a law or accountancy firm, they are not dependant on profitability of the business and do not carry any economic risk.
If they are convinced they are not paid enough, it is because they are subsiding the rest of the NHS where the money wasted is eye-wateringly depressing. Yet any talk of any cuts anywhere in the NHS and who are the first to start mouthing off about "Tories trying to sell the NHS" - that's right, doctors. Unfortunately they want no NHS cuts, for the NHS to continue spiralling out of control financially and administratively, for its budget to be forever increased and still the Treasury (i.e. the taxpayers) would need to bail it out.
And it is about pay. All this "better service for patients" etc, is just a smokescreen, the working hours for most will not change much if at all, it is about pay. Which is fine, but just admit that that is the dispute. Every junior doctor I know makes out as though they could have been earning £80k doing a stress-free 9-5 straight out of university, but they made a huge sacrifice to work in conditions akin to a Japanese prisoner of war camp purely out of the goodness of hteir heart.
Theoperator wrote:
Was half expecting you to bite mate, will answer in PM, you are honestly so so wrong, you cant even get the cremation fee right, and would any Doctor risk being suspended for not paying tax on it? Are you Ken Clarke in disguise
northbank123 wrote:Tnorthbank123 wrote:The BMA are more interested in spreading bile, scare-mongering and causing hysteria than anything constructive.Theoperator wrote:Jeremy Hunt.
A contract imposed is not a contract
Doctors here work hard under a lot of pressure, their work is obviously tremendously important and they are not particular well-paid compared to their colleagues in comparable countries. That said there is a lot of mis-information about their pay packet as it is - for example every F1 (first year) junior goes around claiming that they "only" earn £23k a year, whereas in fact the majority of their posts are 40% banded and they are therefore earning well over £30k a year, plus £84 every time they fill out a crematorium form (which none of them declare as income) before you even consider the fantastic ancillary benefits (not least a wonderful pension scheme). Plus the fact that unlike for example a partner at a law or accountancy firm, they are not dependant on profitability of the business and do not carry any economic risk.
If they are convinced they are not paid enough, it is because they are subsiding the rest of the NHS where the money wasted is eye-wateringly depressing. Yet any talk of any cuts anywhere in the NHS and who are the first to start mouthing off about "Tories trying to sell the NHS" - that's right, doctors. Unfortunately they want no NHS cuts, for the NHS to continue spiralling out of control financially and administratively, for its budget to be forever increased and still the Treasury (i.e. the taxpayers) would need to bail it out.
And it is about pay. All this "better service for patients" etc, is just a smokescreen, the working hours for most will not change much if at all, it is about pay. Which is fine, but just admit that that is the dispute. Every junior doctor I know makes out as though they could have been earning £80k doing a stress-free 9-5 straight out of university, but they made a huge sacrifice to work in conditions akin to a Japanese prisoner of war camp purely out of the goodness of hteir heart.