THE WENGER THREAD

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Nos89
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People will disagree with this but...
Wenger is coasting, he's not shit or useless, he's been on autopilot for the last 6 years, does just about enough to deliver what his boss wants. I.e. top 4 finish, Champions League football. However, with Sanchez, Cech and Ozil he's realising he needs to step it up, but after coasting for so long he has forgotten how to step up? He looks in whole world of confusion.
That is another reason why he needs to go this season because another season, another big signing will see him outnumbered and further away from the players than he has ever been.
As Kenny Rogers said, you gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run..." Time to fold and walk away Mr Wenger.

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I'm not sure I'd say he is coasting. I still think the guy lives, dreams and breathes football, I do think that he desperately wants to win big trophies to stick two fingers up at everyone.

But he has completely lost sight of the wood for the trees. He has re-defined 4th place as success of sorts, he has allowed the method of success become more important than success itself, he wants to win but only his way, he's got an "us vs them" mentality when it just doesn't work and his players just don't have the fight for it.

He has a warped sense of just about everything and there is not one *word censored* in the club who will pick him up on it. He has been allowed to turn our club into his pet project and put his own ego and desires ahead of the interests of the club.

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Surely, surely the club cannot go into next season with this nutter in charge?

Hope is the worst thing that you can take away from supporters.
Kroenke and Wenger have failed to grasp this.

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Another thing that the c.unt said in the interview he did with sky during the week was (and I am paraphrasing here) that we don't need a Plan B but actually need to improve the efficiency of our Plan A - now there are thousands of us that have continually said that the c.unt hasn't a clue about tactics, but there are thousands out there who have continually bemoaned the lack of a Plan B when it is obvious that he doesn't even have a Plan A or know how to implement one :roll: :oops: :evil: :evil:

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The arrogance of the c.unt shines through by suggesting that his Plan A wouldn't need a back up if it was being utilised properly cos his is clearly the right way :roll: C.unt is sounding more like a cult leader with every passing day :roll: :censored:

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I am currently constructing a 4th place trophy to hold up proudly in the family enclosure at the Villa game! Simply a big silver 4th with DELUDED across the bottom bar of the 4. What are the chances of the humourless stewards taking it off me before I get in to the ground!!??

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Step wrote:I am currently constructing a 4th place trophy to hold up proudly in the family enclosure at the Villa game! Simply a big silver 4th with DELUDED across the bottom bar of the 4. What are the chances of the humourless stewards taking it off me before I get in to the ground!!??
Tape or strap it to your back mate under you coat - But DO get it in and show it LOUD & PROUD! :barscarf:

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For the first time in, well ever, I didn't bother with the game today. I had planned to, but about a half hour before kick off I saw the team and thought fuck this. Giroud starting again? Fuck off. Ramsey? Pffff I've better things to be doing than wasting my life on Project Mind Fuck orchestrated by Mr. 30 years.

That's his legacy to me, complete and utter indifference. He's made me fall out of love with the most important thing in my life (don't tell her indoors or rodders jnr. that by the way). I hate him for it, I hate that he won't just piss off, I hate that nobody on the board cares enough to get rid of him. I hate that the fan base is split and feel so powerless in this never ending cycle of shit.

Today I did check in on the score quite a few times, kept abreast of things, noted the usual 70th minute substitutions MASSIVE FUCKING YAWN. I plan on giving Norwich the skip on Saturday too and maybe I won't check up on the score as much then. Just leave the games drift by until a time comes where I won't check up on them at all. And I can leave the fucker to it, it's his club after all, he fucking built it and he's fucking welcome to it.

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“There are two leagues at the moment,” Wenger added. “The teams who are taking it easier. You think, ‘I would like to play them now.’ The teams that are safe and do not go for Europe.

What, like Crystal Palace you mean? :roll:

Not to mention the fortune of our fixture list that has seen us get to play bang-out-of-form Watford and Everton, finishing with home games against soon-to-be 19th placed Norwich and 20th placed Aston Villa. Villa are shit and already down, Norwich are probably the next worst team and 6 points (probably not comfortably won) the pair of them will just about get us over the line on 70 points.

Time to go Arséne.

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Top on New Years Day and then 5 wins from 15?
Stop fucking whingeing, that's mental strength and further evidence to show that it was impossible to find better players in the world last Augusr.
Careful what you wish for..

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Walcott and Giroud must surely go. How can Wenger ever rely on these two again after this let down? Last season Sanchez 25 goals in all competitions from the left wing really papered over the cracks, but given he has had a poor year, it really exposed our lack of fire power.

A really ambitious manager would take Sanchez's capability to score 25 goals a season, and buy a striker with the capacity to score 25-30 goals a season. Thus you could rely on two players with the real potential to score 50 goals between them. Yet Wenger sits in idle.

I think he knows if he signs these extra top players, then our team would look really good on paper, and there would be serious expectation. For arguments sake we signed Benzema, then we would have Ozil, Sanchez, Benzema in the attack - why shouldn't that team be expected to win the league? But by keeping the likes of Giroud and Walcott, it gives Wenger an outlet in the case of failure. The critics always say we are 2-3 players short of winning the title. Yet if Wenger bought those players and came up short - what excuses are made for him? But as we are forever 2-3 players short, Wenger always has an escape route when things go tits up. When Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher on Sky assert they 'cant understand' why Wenger doesnt sign these 2-3 players, they fail to see Wenger avoids signing them in an effort to cover himself. Jamie and Gary fail to see what we all see - a scared, and frail manager, clinging on to his job by all means necessary, and terrified the world will discover just how mediocre he really is.

The idea of Wenger leaving his cover, and exposing himself in a stretch to win the league, is not going to happen. He is far too weak minded and weak willed. If you were to rate managers on bravery, Wenger wouldnt score highly.

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Wilson wrote:Walcott and Giroud must surely go. How can Wenger ever rely on these two again after this let down? Last season Sanchez 25 goals in all competitions from the left wing really papered over the cracks, but given he has had a poor year, it really exposed our lack of fire power.

A really ambitious manager would take Sanchez's capability to score 25 goals a season, and buy a striker with the capacity to score 25-30 goals a season. Thus you could rely on two players with the real potential to score 50 goals between them. Yet Wenger sits in idle.

I think he knows if he signs these extra top players, then our team would look really good on paper, and there would be serious expectation. For arguments sake we signed Benzema, then we would have Ozil, Sanchez, Benzema in the attack - why shouldn't that team be expected to win the league? But by keeping the likes of Giroud and Walcott, it gives Wenger an outlet in the case of failure. The critics always say we are 2-3 players short of winning the title. Yet if Wenger bought those players and came up short - what excuses are made for him? But as we are forever 2-3 players short, Wenger always has an escape route when things go tits up. When Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher on Sky assert they 'cant understand' why Wenger doesnt sign these 2-3 players, they fail to see Wenger avoids signing them in an effort to cover himself. Jamie and Gary fail to see what we all see - a scared, and frail manager, clinging on to his job by all means necessary, and terrified the world will discover just how mediocre he really is.

The idea of Wenger leaving his cover, and exposing himself in a stretch to win the league, is not going to happen. He is far too weak minded and weak willed. If you were to rate managers on bravery, Wenger wouldnt score highly.
Been saying the same thing for a while now. Somebody mentioned in an article the other day that Wenger is "treading water".... basically he is too scared to go out and spend 100m and still fail.

I think in his heart he knows he no longer has what it takes, he is just extremely fortunate to have the perfect boss for the position he is in, one that cares about profits and not success. And he has a club that Kroenke has virtually given to him to do with as he pleases.Wenger is being found out now though, he has spun & spun & spun and is contradicting himself virtually every time he opens his mouth. If our craven journalists call him on it he would be brutally exposed. In fact I think he would lose his temper thereby exposing his shortcomings even more.

I think he will stay for another season and will probably be forced out by Christmas. The momentum, slow as it is, will not get reversed.

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You need to organise a mass walk out. Probably after 20 minutes as a sign that him being there 20 years and it's time to go. Or with 20 minutes left if you want to get value for money. Not that arsenal are giving you that anymore.


Or just watch the full 90 minutes and complain on a forum that Wenger won't see...

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Wilson wrote: I think he knows if he signs these extra top players, then our team would look really good on paper, and there would be serious expectation. For arguments sake we signed Benzema, then we would have Ozil, Sanchez, Benzema in the attack - why shouldn't that team be expected to win the league? But by keeping the likes of Giroud and Walcott, it gives Wenger an outlet in the case of failure. The critics always say we are 2-3 players short of winning the title. Yet if Wenger bought those players and came up short - what excuses are made for him? But as we are forever 2-3 players short,
That is just a really bizarre argument - he doesn't buy the couple of players we need for fear of failure but we fail anyway.

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rodders999 wrote:For the first time in, well ever, I didn't bother with the game today. I had planned to, but about a half hour before kick off I saw the team and thought fuck this. Giroud starting again? Fuck off. Ramsey? Pffff I've better things to be doing than wasting my life on Project Mind Fuck orchestrated by Mr. 30 years.

That's his legacy to me, complete and utter indifference. He's made me fall out of love with the most important thing in my life (don't tell her indoors or rodders jnr. that by the way). I hate him for it, I hate that he won't just piss off, I hate that nobody on the board cares enough to get rid of him. I hate that the fan base is split and feel so powerless in this never ending cycle of shit.

Today I did check in on the score quite a few times, kept abreast of things, noted the usual 70th minute substitutions MASSIVE FUCKING YAWN. I plan on giving Norwich the skip on Saturday too and maybe I won't check up on the score as much then. Just leave the games drift by until a time comes where I won't check up on them at all. And I can leave the fucker to it, it's his club after all, he fucking built it and he's fucking welcome to it.
Likewise. Even until a few months ago I would watch shit frustrating streams if that was all that was available. I probably haven't watched half of the games over the last 2 months because I just derive no enjoyment from it. Frankly I couldn't give a shit if we beat west brom and I'm not bothered whether we beat Norwich.

We play easily the worst football we have in over two decades and watching Ramsey drift around losing the ball and Giroud slime about up front in slow-Motion is torturous. It's depressing to watch one of the best players in the league Sanchez keep being given the ball 25 yards out and expected to fashion a chance or a goal despite there being 8 or 9 men between him and the goal, because that is about the sum of our creativity.

Ozil and Sanchez aren't going to waste another year of their careers under Wenger and they won't pussyfoot around their reasons for leaving either. Any time we are near the top at the turn of the year we duly manage to win well under half of our games for the last few months of the season - 2008, 2010, 2011, 2014 and 2016.
5 times in 9 seasons. Whereas the other 4 years where we have played shit all year we can suddenly win games in March and April to scrape 4th. If there is a bigger group of bottlers in sport I'm yet to see them.

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