As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
GranadaJoe wrote:I thinks fans should hold up banners saying, "I apologise for my part in preventing us winning home games".
I think our strategy should be to ridicule him. For too long the media and ex-players have fawned over AW's 'pioneering approach to the game', his 'super-intellect' etc and that particular bubble needs to be pricked (insert joke here). He needs to be shown up as the bumbling, hypocritical, 'specialist in failure' that he has become.
Maybe, "Arsene Wenger! It's never his fault".
Without a shadow of doubt, that chant and the "specialists in failure, we know what we are" chant, are by far the best idea's to come out of here in a long long time - we all know that tomorrow the gestapo (sorry I mean the club stewards ) will be trying to confiscate anything resembling a banner or placard but they cannot stop the fans singing/chanting, and I would like to think that if a group of like minded Gooners got together then they could get the chant going and it would soon travel around the stadium
GranadaJoe wrote:I thinks fans should hold up banners saying, "I apologise for my part in preventing us winning home games".
I think our strategy should be to ridicule him. For too long the media and ex-players have fawned over AW's 'pioneering approach to the game', his 'super-intellect' etc and that particular bubble needs to be pricked (insert joke here). He needs to be shown up as the bumbling, hypocritical, 'specialist in failure' that he has become.
Maybe, "Arsene Wenger! It's never his fault".
Without a shadow of doubt, that chant and the "specialists in failure, we know what we are" chant, are by far the best idea's to come out of here in a long long time - we all know that tomorrow the gestapo (sorry I mean the club stewards ) will be trying to confiscate anything resembling a banner or placard but they cannot stop the fans singing/chanting, and I would like to think that if a group of like minded Gooners got together then they could get the chant going and it would soon travel around the stadium
The beauty of the new Gooner cover ( new issue on sale at the game) is that it's gone for "time for a change " with a pic of Wenger and the 4th official's board showing "AW?" So anyone who buys that, can hold that up even if the placards get confiscated.
Btw I will be hanging around the turnstiles pre match looking for signs of stewards confiscating placards and will film evidence if I see it. Likewise I've tweeted a few journalists to warn them and to pass onto colleagues that this might happen.
Apparently the reason 'we' lost the championship is because of the 'difficult climate at home' - ie: Us the fans cost us the championship - not his inability to move with the times, adopt new methods, tactics and buy the much needed players to address the obvious flaws in the team, or to play the players we do have in their best and correct positions, why? because that would be something call "Good Management"
What a word twisting - excuse making motherfuckercunt.
The club under this manager and owner are going nowhere this season like so many others has reflected our management poor and without any direction.No one putting there hand up either on or off the pitch all happy with the current low ball ambition and underachievement.
Apparently the reason 'we' lost the championship is because of the 'difficult climate at home' - ie: Us the fans cost us the championship - not his inability to move with the times, adopt new methods, tactics and buy the much needed players to address the obvious flaws in the team, or to play the players we do have in their best and correct positions, why? because that would be something call "Good Management"
What a word twisting - excuse making motherfuckercunt.
He seems to be getting the chicken or the egg sandwich question a bit mixed up.
The players didn't play badly because the fans were less than euphoric in their support.
The team was playing boring, half-hearted, tippy-tappy useless shit first. That's what made the fans upset, not the other way round.
I know it's a rag but The Sun has a write up about the protest and are very much reporting it as an anti wenger demo (although they still have a "careful what you wish for" piece).
I know a lot of people aren't happy with the wording ln the placards but it's certainly having the desired effect.
Reading some of his comments from yesterday it seems like he thinks it's only a few people against him. If there's a 60,000 crowd and 29,999 hold up banners he'd still spin it as a minority.
It does seem as though the press are fully after him, and him coming out and having a go at ex players and pundits is surely another nail in his coffin.
Anyway, good luck to everyone today, The Sun says that officials aren't planning on confiscating the placards...but we shall see.
This interview is a real insight into his chracter. The guy has a massive ego and can't take criticism, see his sneering "I hope we win the Cl and PL every season once I'm gone" remark. No, Arsene, we dont want to win the CL and PL every season. But occasionally being in the hunt for one or the other - you know, like Leicester, Spurs, City, Utd, Chelsea, (even Liverpool contested a final a mere seven/eight years back) would be nice.
His bullshit facts "best away record in the league" smack of desperation.
What's also interesting is that when you take away the defensive sneering, he seems to actualky see his reign basically the same way as his critics/most fans do: Glorious first part 97-05. Very Commendable second part 06-10 (with most fans accepting the relative constraints of the move) followed by the disappointing final part from 11-present.
The difference is that Wenger believes that the first great decade or so gives him license to a decade of stagnation afterwards, when the financial restraints have long since been removed, whereas we judge things on the merits of a season - three, four, five, six - and find him seriously lacking as a manager of a big modern football club.
Thing is, from a personal point of view, I actually admire Wenger's risk taking in terms of doing things his way. After the Invincibles he didn't just want to win, he wanted to win "in style", with bargain basement midgets playing tippy-tappy Barcelonesque football. As a successful manager, it was his right to go for that, even though most big clubs would question putting personal aesthetics above practicality (Real Madrid, thanks but no thanks). But, as loyal fans, we stood by and let him experiment for a whole decade. Wrongly, perhaps. Because his experiment failed. It failed so badly that this season Leicester will probably beat us by 12 points or more. And thats because he hasnt been trying to build the best Arsenal team for the best part of the decade. He's been trying to build a team that embodies his philosophy about what football should be. The kind of team that "should" win games, rather than the team that actually does win games.
Now our patience has finally gone and he must take responsibiltiy for his failed experiment - which is what the last seven eight years has all been really. Either by announcing his retirement with immediate effect or, at the least, handing in his notice for the end of next season.
Jeff Stelling calling us out on Sky, telling us all that we're above Chelsea, Liverpool and level with Man City so why aren't their fans protesting?
Perhaps you clueless monkey its because Chavski have a new manager lined up already, as do City and Liverpool are optimistic having appointed one of the best in Europe.
I don't remember Chavski having much patience with AVB or Scolari, and look at the reception they gave Benitez when he joined. As for Liverpool, they booed their team off a few years ago when they were top of the league having drawn 0-0 under Rafa, because apparently he was too negative. Hodgson got the bird after about 3 months of poor results, and they all turned on Rodgers despite the fact he got them closer to a title than TO1AW has managed in 10 years.
Phil Thompson and Gonzo Le Tissier agreeing that the timing of the protest is poor
they wanted us to protest against villa because it's the last game of the season, instead of during it now. basically, they want to do it when no fucker gives a shit, and where it gets no attention. yeah ok geniuses, that's going to work. why don't we hold the protest on a fucking boat in the middle of the south pacific at 3 in the morning where no-one will see it, just so it doesn't affect the team.
still missing the point after all these years, as steveo said jeff stelling seems incredibly thick sometimes. a shame, because i really enjoy watching soccer saturday but their pundits don't have a fucking brain cell to rub between them.
I did tell you.
These spineless c unts of fangroups who said "we only deal with improving the atmosphere in the ground" 5 years ago when we wanted them to get involved.
Now they have taken my TimeForChange message, weakened and diluted it and destroyed all the good work weve been doing for years.
Never in a million years should they have done anything until 90mins when all the tourists have left and all the publicity is on us.
Thats why I refused to get involved. Fukin stupid, stupid c unts
) will be trying to confiscate anything resembling a banner or placard but they cannot stop the fans singing/chanting, and I would like to think that if a group of like minded Gooners got together then they could get the chant going and it would soon travel around the stadium 
