THE WENGER THREAD

[DB10GOONER]

The old fraud is way past his sell by date....this bring cycle of failure will just keep recurring until he leaves

He will not go gracefully, think he will need evicting.....fucking hate the man

If he signs another contract thinks lot of fans will just call it a day ....me being one of them

leave it to the tourists, corporates and day trippers

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

[Perryashburtongroves]

I've resigned myself to the fact that he's going to sign this fucking contract extension or that it's already been signed. The *word censored* is money mad, money mad for himself, I should say. I honestly think that he somehow sees himself as entitled to an extension, in his warped mind, I think he sees himself as a martyr who has selflessly fought against the odds for all these years and no it's his time to think about himself. We all know he should have been fucked off years ago and I still hold that the absence of any mass protests or dissent last time he got an extension was due to the belief that we all had that he would be going this summer. He's done fuck all to deserve anything other than the sack but he's a pure narcissist and only does what he wants to do.

[BFG4]

The reason we end up with the media lining up to defend Wenger, is that they judge us on a different level to everyone else. For all the criticism the team got for Saturday, it is already being replaced with criticism of fans, for wanting change. Last season the media went to town on Mourinho, and continuously called for his head, yet he has the same amount of titles as Wenger(despite leaving the league for a few years), and had won a double the previous season. At Man United, the fans protested against Moyes, and no one batted an eyelid, despite this, being less than a year after they had won another title. Contrast this at Arsene FC, Wenger hasn't won a title for 12(nearly 13 years) and has been a failure in Europe, yet once we 'achieve' top 4, then he is perceived as success.

[NickF]

The old fraud is way past his sell by date....this bring cycle of failure will just keep recurring until he leaves

He will not go gracefully, think he will need evicting.....fucking hate the man

If he signs another contract thinks lot of fans will just call it a day ....me being one of them

leave it to the tourists, corporates and day trippers

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

So Craig Burley is right when he call our fans spineless, they should just accept a new contract and say nothing.

[DB10GOONER]

The old fraud is way past his sell by date....this bring cycle of failure will just keep recurring until he leaves

He will not go gracefully, think he will need evicting.....fucking hate the man

If he signs another contract thinks lot of fans will just call it a day ....me being one of them

leave it to the tourists, corporates and day trippers

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

So Craig Burley is right when he call our fans spineless, they should just accept a new contract and say nothing.

Did IQ's just drop...? Where did I say that?

It's up to individuals to decide what they will or won't do. What I'm saying is it will not lead to Wenger going. He has a thick skin and a neck like a jockey's bollocks. He could give half a shit what the media or the fans think of him.

He has real power at the club. The owners are getting what they want from him: the CL money and the tourist money on match days.

And even if he did fall out of the top 4? Oh he has "earned the right" to try and put it right.

So protest away. It might be good to vent the anger and frustration but it won't shorten Wenger's tenure by even one day.

[OneBardGooner]

I dont care if we finish 8th the champions league means nothing anymore.....

Has he gone yet?

That's the thing for me too. I could not give a shit if removing Wenger meant the new manager struggled for a few seasons and we were not qualifying for the shit CL. It would be better than this terminal groundhog season bollocks we are suffering through now.

And who is to say that a new manager would not come in and win the PL in his first season?

Couldnt agree more with these comments and what Rodders said. For me if it took a few seasons going backwards then so be it. At least at the beginning of the season there would be some optimism again. The biggest thing Wenger has done to me personally is suck the enthusiasm out of me as a fan. I still go for a piss up but its depressing knowing what will happen when you get to the game like Saturday. How nice would it be to go again and think anything could happen here.

The bit in red describes to a tee how I feel. It's the boring drudgery of every season knowing we will flatter to deceive for a while but ultimately fail because of the same mistakes by the manager as every season before over the last 13 years. I used to be a football and Arsenal obsessive but he is killing my love for both.

Thats exactly how i am and its gone i dont know if even a new manager will ever bring it back

Yeah, I feel Exactly the same.


They say it's the hope that kills, but even that has gone, because for sure he WILL get that contract extension and regardless of results as long as wiggy keeps getting the ackers rolling in there is every chance Clueless will sign another contract after the one he is about to sign....Maybe a good banner to hold outside The Bowl would be "Abandon All Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"

[xisstential]

If he does sign an extension for another 2 or 3 years by the time he does eventually leave his reputation will be in absolute tatters..... It is with us already and has been for a long time but by then I think EVERYBODY will be sick to death of him. He has the devils own luck at the moment, and has had for years tbh,because we should really be down in 6th or 7th but due to all the shitness around us, somehow we stay in the top 4...hopefully that changes.

If we don't get top 4,Sanchez will definitely go and if you think he's struggling to get players to come to us now, wait until there is no CL at the club. He is absolutely destroying the very little that is left of his reputation. The abuse he eventually gets will all be self inflicted.

[NickF]

The old fraud is way past his sell by date....this bring cycle of failure will just keep recurring until he leaves

He will not go gracefully, think he will need evicting.....fucking hate the man

If he signs another contract thinks lot of fans will just call it a day ....me being one of them

leave it to the tourists, corporates and day trippers

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

So Craig Burley is right when he call our fans spineless, they should just accept a new contract and say nothing.

Did IQ's just drop...? Where did I say that?

It's up to individuals to decide what they will or won't do. What I'm saying is it will not lead to Wenger going. He has a thick skin and a neck like a jockey's bollocks. He could give half a shit what the media or the fans think of him.

He has real power at the club. The owners are getting what they want from him: the CL money and the tourist money on match days.

And even if he did fall out of the top 4? Oh he has "earned the right" to try and put it right.

So protest away. It might be good to vent the anger and frustration but it won't shorten Wenger's tenure by even one day.

are you not implying that by saying no fan protest will remove him? isn't that basically "you might as well not bother"?

[Redarmy]

The old fraud is way past his sell by date....this bring cycle of failure will just keep recurring until he leaves

He will not go gracefully, think he will need evicting.....fucking hate the man

If he signs another contract thinks lot of fans will just call it a day ....me being one of them

leave it to the tourists, corporates and day trippers

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

So Craig Burley is right when he call our fans spineless, they should just accept a new contract and say nothing.

Did IQ's just drop...? Where did I say that?

It's up to individuals to decide what they will or won't do. What I'm saying is it will not lead to Wenger going. He has a thick skin and a neck like a jockey's bollocks. He could give half a shit what the media or the fans think of him.

He has real power at the club. The owners are getting what they want from him: the CL money and the tourist money on match days.

And even if he did fall out of the top 4? Oh he has "earned the right" to try and put it right.

So protest away. It might be good to vent the anger and frustration but it won't shorten Wenger's tenure by even one day.

are you not implying that by saying no fan protest will remove him? isn't that basically "you might as well not bother"?

you would like to think it would affect him, but he is an ego mad dictator......and sadly deep down think we all know DB10 is right....he is so well entrenched...like Stalin.....even when he died they were afraid to wake him

[Bob Bayliss]

Why should we for one moment accept the machiavellian Manc Gary Neville's view that we should be grateful for what Wenger has done for us since we moved to The Emirates? Not for nothing was he called "Red Nev", and the last thing he wants is a resurgent Arsenal who provide a genuine threat to Mourinho's resurgent United. I might have more respect for his views were he a representative of one of the "financially doped" clubs, but he knows full well that his club would not have indulged Fergie for half as long had he not continued to keep his teams at the top, regularly winning premiership titles as well as a second Champions' League in his last decade at the club.

I do despair at those who are trying to pour cold water on those who are suggesting organised protests, saying they won't make a shred of difference to Wenger's tenure at the club. Firstly, what is the alternative other than to turn our back on the club completely until he goes? Secondly, I am not so sure that they are right anymore. Wenger is looking and sounding tired and weary, there are signs that he is losing the dressing room, and if enough supporters make clear that they want him out I think it might just be the straw that breaks this stubborn old camel's back. But it has to be consistent protest which presupposes that the usual trick of flat-track bullying our way to 3rd place and even another FA Cup won't camouflage the need for change this summer.

[NickF]

He will sign another contract mate. Put your house on it. Anyone that thinks results or the media or fan protests will remove him is living in a fantasy world. He will decide when he leaves. Nothing and no one else will impact that.

So Craig Burley is right when he call our fans spineless, they should just accept a new contract and say nothing.

Did IQ's just drop...? Where did I say that?

It's up to individuals to decide what they will or won't do. What I'm saying is it will not lead to Wenger going. He has a thick skin and a neck like a jockey's bollocks. He could give half a shit what the media or the fans think of him.

He has real power at the club. The owners are getting what they want from him: the CL money and the tourist money on match days.

And even if he did fall out of the top 4? Oh he has "earned the right" to try and put it right.

So protest away. It might be good to vent the anger and frustration but it won't shorten Wenger's tenure by even one day.

are you not implying that by saying no fan protest will remove him? isn't that basically "you might as well not bother"?

you would like to think it would affect him, but he is an ego mad dictator......and sadly deep down think we all know DB10 is right....he is so well entrenched...like Stalin.....even when he died they were afraid to wake him

But that is my point, everyone just accepts the situation and does nothing (other than moaning on a forum). Lets not compare him to Stalin, no one is going to lose their lives because they protest against Wenger....

[DB10GOONER]

Why should we for one moment accept the machiavellian Manc Gary Neville's view that we should be grateful for what Wenger has done for us since we moved to The Emirates? Not for nothing was he called "Red Nev", and the last thing he wants is a resurgent Arsenal who provide a genuine threat to Mourinho's resurgent United. I might have more respect for his views were he a representative of one of the "financially doped" clubs, but he knows full well that his club would not have indulged Fergie for half as long had he not continued to keep his teams at the top, regularly winning premiership titles as well as a second Champions' League in his last decade at the club.

I do despair at those who are trying to pour cold water on those who are suggesting organised protests, saying they won't make a shred of difference to Wenger's tenure at the club. Firstly, what is the alternative other than to turn our back on the club completely until he goes? Secondly, I am not so sure that they are right anymore. Wenger is looking and sounding tired and weary, there are signs that he is losing the dressing room, and if enough supporters make clear that they want him out I think it might just be the straw that breaks this stubborn old camel's back. But it has to be consistent protest which presupposes that the usual trick of flat-track bullying our way to 3rd place and even another FA Cup won't camouflage the need for change this summer.

Again who said that? Who said we should accept Neville's childish rantings?

Can you show me these signs he is losing the dressing room please? Every one of his molly coddled players speaks highly of him in every interview. So who exactly has he lost? Possibly Ozil and Sanchez? Maybe only Sanchez? That's not the dressing room. That's one player.

Wanting something is fine. But also being realistic is a good thing too. I want to bang the living fuck out of Mila Kunis in a helicopter full of cocaine but I'm realistic enough to know it's unlikely to happen. I'm realistic enough to know Wenger will ride out any storm as he has the only thing he needs: the support of the purely money motivated owner.

I will take €20 of anyone's money right now that Wenger will sign a new contract and that fan protests will not drive him out. Anyone?

[DB10GOONER]

I should clarify I'm not naysaying here for the sake of it. I'd love if our fans could drive Wenger out.

Once I'd have wanted him to walk away with dignity because of that first ten years the 2 doubles the Invincibles.

But now I don't care how he goes. Just that he goes. But I am a very pragmatic person and I can see he has he support of the board the owner and enough of our fans and (so called) "respected" media pundits that any protest will ultimately fail.

[NickF]

Why should we for one moment accept the machiavellian Manc Gary Neville's view that we should be grateful for what Wenger has done for us since we moved to The Emirates? Not for nothing was he called "Red Nev", and the last thing he wants is a resurgent Arsenal who provide a genuine threat to Mourinho's resurgent United. I might have more respect for his views were he a representative of one of the "financially doped" clubs, but he knows full well that his club would not have indulged Fergie for half as long had he not continued to keep his teams at the top, regularly winning premiership titles as well as a second Champions' League in his last decade at the club.

I do despair at those who are trying to pour cold water on those who are suggesting organised protests, saying they won't make a shred of difference to Wenger's tenure at the club. Firstly, what is the alternative other than to turn our back on the club completely until he goes? Secondly, I am not so sure that they are right anymore. Wenger is looking and sounding tired and weary, there are signs that he is losing the dressing room, and if enough supporters make clear that they want him out I think it might just be the straw that breaks this stubborn old camel's back. But it has to be consistent protest which presupposes that the usual trick of flat-track bullying our way to 3rd place and even another FA Cup won't camouflage the need for change this summer.

Again who said that? Who said we should accept Neville's childish rantings?

Can you show me these signs he is losing the dressing room please? Every one of his molly coddled players speaks highly of him in every interview. So who exactly has he lost? Possibly Ozil and Sanchez? Maybe only Sanchez? That's not the dressing room. That's one player.

Wanting something is fine. But also being realistic is a good thing too. I want to bang the living fuck out of Mila Kunis in a helicopter full of cocaine but I'm realistic enough to know it's unlikely to happen. I'm realistic enough to know Wenger will ride out any storm as he has the only thing he needs: the support of the purely money motivated owner.

I will take €20 of anyone's money right now that Wenger will sign a new contract and that fan protests will not drive him out. Anyone?

IMO the reason fan protest will not drive him out is simply the fact that you cannot get enough people interested. They might want Wenger out but they won't do anything about it.

Even with a few hundred hardcore protesters it could/would make a difference but sadly that will not happen.

[Bob Bayliss]

I won't reiterate my arguments that at this stage in the game supporter unrest (even if it is not universal) could have make more impact than has previously proved to be the case, suffice to say it is a more optimistic and less helpless premise than the alternative one suggested by DB10 and others that we might as well do nothing for all the good it will do....

I do believe there is evidence that he is losing the current dressing room. I don't know about Ozil, but Sanchez doesn't give the appearance of a man who is in any way, shape or form in thrall to Wenger. I would have thought it more likely he would be persuaded to stay under a new manager who had the vision to invest in better, more committed players. Our best (and arguably only top-drawer) defender, Koscielny, was quoted yesterday as questioning the team selection at Chelsea
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... at-chelsea

And whether or not you believe the Ox meant to "like" the Arsenal Fan TV tweet calling explicitly for Wenger to go or not, the fact he was tuned in to such hostile views so soon after the Chelsea debacle speaks volumes....