The 'I told you so' EU referendum - Officially the Worst Thread Ever

[A11M11]

Problem being Rob is that most of the institutions giving these predictions in some form or other are funded by the E.U. and have a vested interest in the project. Anyone that points out a contrary argument is usually shut down and very rarely gets any coverage from the media. Posts on facebook get deleted and watching Marr , Peston and the like are extremely biased in their questioning. Only Andrew Neil seems to be even handed and argues from both sides.
There are no guarantees that things will be better or worse and financial aspects have taken over the whole thing. Most people that voted leave did so for many different reasons money not being top of their list. Many I would think most did so for varied reasons running through their life experience and voted for change .
Dylan once wrote :-" When you ain't got nothing , youve got nothing to lose ." When you look at many of the places outside London , that's the underlying feeling of the leave voters.

[Gunner Rob]

Problem being Rob is that most of the institutions giving these predictions in some form or other are funded by the E.U. and have a vested interest in the project. Anyone that points out a contrary argument is usually shut down and very rarely gets any coverage from the media. Posts on facebook get deleted and watching Marr , Peston and the like are extremely biased in their questioning. Only Andrew Neil seems to be even handed and argues from both sides.
There are no guarantees that things will be better or worse and financial aspects have taken over the whole thing. Most people that voted leave did so for many different reasons money not being top of their list. Many I would think most did so for varied reasons running through their life experience and voted for change .
Dylan once wrote :-" When you ain't got nothing , youve got nothing to lose ." When you look at many of the places outside London , that's the underlying feeling of the leave voters.

It is very easy for people to say that the financial aspect is not important - when reality bites I am sure they won't think this way.
Problem is I don't see any other benefits even if we don't get poorer. The recent spy poisoning case with Russia shows that the EU can come together as a united force of strength. That won't happen post Brexit, we will just be an isolated little island for Russia to do what it wants with us.

as for your last point about having nothing to lose - i have heard this argument a million times, but the trouble is a lot of the poorer working class DO have a lot to lose. half my family is from the working class in the north. Life was a lot tougher up there than it is now, looks like Brexit might take us back there.

[Nos89]

Did I hear May say today that after we leave the EU there would be more money to invest into public services such as the NHS, because we won't be paying huge sums of money to the EU?
Wasn't that the £320m a week on the side of the leave campaign bus?
Strange, I could have sworn that the remainers told us this was a huge lie.
We sold out the fishing boundaries years ago, so no real news there. I still don't think much will change economically. All the big corporations have already set up secondary head offices in Belgium, France and the Netherlands as back up in case a deal is not agreed. It will effect jobs with an estimated 75,000 jobs at risk in the city. Given the tax avoidance schemes in place there isn't a way to estimate the loss in income tax.

Still believing the lies ?
More fool you

How can you call them lies, when no one has told the truth?

Reason, no one knows what's happening, let alone what's going to happen.

More fool you for passing judgement before anything has even happened.

ALL of the studies made about what is likely to happen following Brexit show that the UK will be worse off.
Name one thing that you think will make your life better off because of it.

you see I also know that Arsenal won't be challenging for the title next season, even though it hasn't started yet.
I wonder why that could be?

it really is depressing to see how many people are still so deluded about Brexit.

Well, we are still in the EU now and things aren't good now are they?
Show me facts about the effect of Brexit, not studies.

[A11M11]

And yet it was in the north that the people predominantly voted to leave this political charade based in Brussels. Could it be that they saw something that you didn't.
You don't need to be a soothsayer to predict Arsenal's demise in the near future but you do to accurately say what will happen after Brexit. None of us know but for the people that feel that they have been neglected .They want a fresh start but it seems that those charged with the responsibility of delivering it do not feel the same way .

[Nos89]

Problem being Rob is that most of the institutions giving these predictions in some form or other are funded by the E.U. and have a vested interest in the project. Anyone that points out a contrary argument is usually shut down and very rarely gets any coverage from the media. Posts on facebook get deleted and watching Marr , Peston and the like are extremely biased in their questioning. Only Andrew Neil seems to be even handed and argues from both sides.
There are no guarantees that things will be better or worse and financial aspects have taken over the whole thing. Most people that voted leave did so for many different reasons money not being top of their list. Many I would think most did so for varied reasons running through their life experience and voted for change .
Dylan once wrote :-" When you ain't got nothing , youve got nothing to lose ." When you look at many of the places outside London , that's the underlying feeling of the leave voters.

It is very easy for people to say that the financial aspect is not important - when reality bites I am sure they won't think this way.
Problem is I don't see any other benefits even if we don't get poorer. The recent spy poisoning case with Russia shows that the EU can come together as a united force of strength. That won't happen post Brexit, we will just be an isolated little island for Russia to do what it wants with us.

as for your last point about having nothing to lose - i have heard this argument a million times, but the trouble is a lot of the poorer working class DO have a lot to lose. half my family is from the working class in the north. Life was a lot tougher up there than it is now, looks like Brexit might take us back there.

Your point about Europe joining forces against Russia is very miss guided. The EU have done nothing to support the UK, and they will continue to do nothing. Russia isn't the problem, Turkey is. Expelling diplomats is just a power play, which Russia has trumped every time. Half of the EU would starve to death if Russia turned off the energy and agricultural supply to EU's poorer member states if the EU flexed it's muscle against them. Then who would rescue them? The French? The Germans? No chance, they'd send any asylum seekers to the UK.
Russia isn't the problem. Turkey who have been ass fucking the EU for years have waltzed through Syria without anyone blinking, except Russia. If, Turkey turned their attention to the west who would stop them? The Germans? No high population of Turkish immigrants. The French? No high population of Muslim from north Africa.
Russia was our ally is both world wars, we don't want to make them our enemy now.
No doubt you'll take my stance as anti-muslim. Again, you'd be wrong.

[Gunner Rob]

Problem being Rob is that most of the institutions giving these predictions in some form or other are funded by the E.U. and have a vested interest in the project. Anyone that points out a contrary argument is usually shut down and very rarely gets any coverage from the media. Posts on facebook get deleted and watching Marr , Peston and the like are extremely biased in their questioning. Only Andrew Neil seems to be even handed and argues from both sides.
There are no guarantees that things will be better or worse and financial aspects have taken over the whole thing. Most people that voted leave did so for many different reasons money not being top of their list. Many I would think most did so for varied reasons running through their life experience and voted for change .
Dylan once wrote :-" When you ain't got nothing , youve got nothing to lose ." When you look at many of the places outside London , that's the underlying feeling of the leave voters.

It is very easy for people to say that the financial aspect is not important - when reality bites I am sure they won't think this way.
Problem is I don't see any other benefits even if we don't get poorer. The recent spy poisoning case with Russia shows that the EU can come together as a united force of strength. That won't happen post Brexit, we will just be an isolated little island for Russia to do what it wants with us.

as for your last point about having nothing to lose - i have heard this argument a million times, but the trouble is a lot of the poorer working class DO have a lot to lose. half my family is from the working class in the north. Life was a lot tougher up there than it is now, looks like Brexit might take us back there.

Your point about Europe joining forces against Russia is very miss guided. The EU have done nothing to support the UK, and they will continue to do nothing. Russia isn't the problem, Turkey is. Expelling diplomats is just a power play, which Russia has trumped every time. Half of the EU would starve to death if Russia turned off the energy and agricultural supply to EU's poorer member states if the EU flexed it's muscle against them. Then who would rescue them? The French? The Germans? No chance, they'd send any asylum seekers to the UK.
Russia isn't the problem. Turkey who have been ass fucking the EU for years have waltzed through Syria without anyone blinking, except Russia. If, Turkey turned their attention to the west who would stop them? The Germans? No high population of Turkish immigrants. The French? No high population of Muslim from north Africa.
Russia was our ally is both world wars, we don't want to make them our enemy now.
No doubt you'll take my stance as anti-muslim. Again, you'd be wrong.

not quite sure what you are on about here.
I take it you don't ever watch the news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43518536

"The European Council said it stood in "unqualified solidarity" with the UK"

I am not anti Russian by the way and I agree that we should not be looking to make them our enemy.
I also really don't see Turkey as much of a threat though.

[Herd]

The current circus act with Russia is amazing to any that can see !
We have no proof that Russia poisoned these people whatsoever it's more likely been done by us or one of our allies to stir up anti Russian sentiment and escalate it to an all out war in Syria on behalf of Israel !
Before you go off and say that would never happen remember that the west has tried and failed to pin the missile attack on the Malaysian Air flight in the Ukraine just as it failed to pin the gas attack in Syria on Assad .
The West baiting of Russia is relentless and very scaring .
The Eu has rallied to the UK not because it wants to fuck with Russia but because it wants to keep us in ,but its all cosmetic ,expelling a few spies

[A11M11]

Putin and Erdogan are in talks at the moment and Erdogan is demanding further hand out from the EU to stem the tide of Syrian migrants heading for Europe.
Quite who is pulliing whose strings is a problem.An alliance of Russia and Turkey as the EU is trying to create a military presence on the Russian border to protect it's new member states would be unwelcome and the reason that they want security and armed forces to be high on the Brexit agenda.
Erdogan is undoing a lot of the Westernisation that Atarturk introduced and is far more totalitarian,rather like Putin himself.

[Nos89]

Problem being Rob is that most of the institutions giving these predictions in some form or other are funded by the E.U. and have a vested interest in the project. Anyone that points out a contrary argument is usually shut down and very rarely gets any coverage from the media. Posts on facebook get deleted and watching Marr , Peston and the like are extremely biased in their questioning. Only Andrew Neil seems to be even handed and argues from both sides.
There are no guarantees that things will be better or worse and financial aspects have taken over the whole thing. Most people that voted leave did so for many different reasons money not being top of their list. Many I would think most did so for varied reasons running through their life experience and voted for change .
Dylan once wrote :-" When you ain't got nothing , youve got nothing to lose ." When you look at many of the places outside London , that's the underlying feeling of the leave voters.

It is very easy for people to say that the financial aspect is not important - when reality bites I am sure they won't think this way.
Problem is I don't see any other benefits even if we don't get poorer. The recent spy poisoning case with Russia shows that the EU can come together as a united force of strength. That won't happen post Brexit, we will just be an isolated little island for Russia to do what it wants with us.

as for your last point about having nothing to lose - i have heard this argument a million times, but the trouble is a lot of the poorer working class DO have a lot to lose. half my family is from the working class in the north. Life was a lot tougher up there than it is now, looks like Brexit might take us back there.

Your point about Europe joining forces against Russia is very miss guided. The EU have done nothing to support the UK, and they will continue to do nothing. Russia isn't the problem, Turkey is. Expelling diplomats is just a power play, which Russia has trumped every time. Half of the EU would starve to death if Russia turned off the energy and agricultural supply to EU's poorer member states if the EU flexed it's muscle against them. Then who would rescue them? The French? The Germans? No chance, they'd send any asylum seekers to the UK.
Russia isn't the problem. Turkey who have been ass fucking the EU for years have waltzed through Syria without anyone blinking, except Russia. If, Turkey turned their attention to the west who would stop them? The Germans? No high population of Turkish immigrants. The French? No high population of Muslim from north Africa.
Russia was our ally is both world wars, we don't want to make them our enemy now.
No doubt you'll take my stance as anti-muslim. Again, you'd be wrong.

not quite sure what you are on about here.
I take it you don't ever watch the news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43518536

"The European Council said it stood in "unqualified solidarity" with the UK"

I am not anti Russian by the way and I agree that we should not be looking to make them our enemy.
I also really don't see Turkey as much of a threat though.

Oh wow, they said they stand by UK. Brilliant. I feel much safer now. What have they actually done? Sanctions? Expelled diplomats?
No, done nothing.

[Gunner Rob]

18 EU countries have now expelled Russian diplomats

[A11M11]

19 have and 9 have not. Of those 7 have expelled 1 only . A token gesture to say the least which doesn't scream solidarity with the U.K more like half heartedly falling in line with the E.U council.

[flash gunner]

Rob youre talking utter rubbish regarding Russia and Brexit. An all powerful Russia bullying 'little' U.K. serves no one in Europe or the world whether we are in the EU or not. This is why France, Germany and USA are standing with us because it suits them not because they are blindly backing an EU 'friend'

BREXIT will not change anything to do with this

[Gunner Rob]

Rob youre talking utter rubbish regarding Russia and Brexit. An all powerful Russia bullying 'little' U.K. serves no one in Europe or the world whether we are in the EU or not. This is why France, Germany and USA are standing with us because it suits them not because they are blindly backing an EU 'friend'

BREXIT will not change anything to do with this

yeah right.
I wonder why Russia chose the UK to poison a Russian spy then ?
They chose the UK to see how vulnerable we now were, and to see how much support we still had in the EU.

It is a Russian strategy to "divide and conquer" - they have already successfully divided the country by spreading lies before the referendum. Without these then there is a very good chance that Brexit would not have happened.

by creating conflicts in other countries Putin is able to distract people from his own failings.

[Herd]

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yeah right.
I wonder why Russia chose the UK to poison a Russian spy then ?
They chose the UK to see how vulnerable we now were, and to see how much support we still had in the EU.

It is a Russian strategy to "divide and conquer" - they have already successfully divided the country by spreading lies before the referendum. Without these then there is a very good chance that Brexit would not have happened.

by creating conflicts in other countries Putin is able to distract people from his own failings.
[/quote]

I knew you were stupid but until that last post I didn't realise just how stupid you are !
Russians ONLY do things that benefit Russia ,What did Russia have to gain by this poisoning .....NOTHING
The only people to gain are the US and it's client Israel which is slowly annexing more and more of Syria every day and wants the west to to into an all out war with Assad so it can keep the land it steals !

As for the Russians interfering in elections and Brexit ........Oh please !

[Gunner Rob]

yeah right.
I wonder why Russia chose the UK to poison a Russian spy then ?
They chose the UK to see how vulnerable we now were, and to see how much support we still had in the EU.

It is a Russian strategy to "divide and conquer" - they have already successfully divided the country by spreading lies before the referendum. Without these then there is a very good chance that Brexit would not have happened.

by creating conflicts in other countries Putin is able to distract people from his own failings.
[/quote]

I knew you were stupid but until that last post I didn't realise just how stupid you are !
Russians ONLY do things that benefit Russia ,What did Russia have to gain by this poisoning .....NOTHING
The only people to gain are the US and it's client Israel which is slowly annexing more and more of Syria every day and wants the west to to into an all out war with Assad so it can keep the land it steals !

As for the Russians interfering in elections and Brexit ........Oh please !
[/quote]

exactly - Russia is aiming to dismantle the EU and Brexit is fantastic news for them. They can't believe their luck how stupid this country has been.
it is very much in the interests of Russia to have a weakened EU next to it.