Very well we all know that banning all political flags is very rash.
Firstly, I believe I can speak for most of the Turkish Cypriot community when I say this was never our intention.
Secondly, I would also like to voice our disagreement and frustration with the notion, that an individual produces a Turkish Cypriot flag at any event, place or venue, with the strict intention to be spiteful to Greeks and Greek Cypriots.
One, including myself at times, produces a flag to say hey "WE TOO ARE HUMAN, WE TOO EXIST, YOU'VE CAST US ASIDE FOR OVER 50 YEARS,HELP!!" with no real explaination or comprehension of who or what we are.
A sports forum of an International team like Arsenal, is by no means the place to wage this political battle, so it disheartens me to know people react in this manner to silly non threatening events.
By no means does the Turkish Cypriot flag, fall into the realm or category of a Nazi, or any other oppressive or aggressive regime.
Possibly the contrary is the case!
As our friend Isaac Newton taught us, "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"
So let's not all be completely naiive and think that on one sunny beautiful day in July 1974 Turkey decided, ""hmm very nice day to wage a war on some, nice, quiet, polite , Turkish Cypriot loving Greeks!!""
There was some major provocation, you think!
Not too interested in making this a history lesson, so I won't go into it much further.
Just wanted there to be some sort of rebuttal to all the comments made from our Fellow Cypriot friends.
As you can see the majority of the chatter is from the Greek perspective, propaganda is the name of the game. "The squeeky wheel gets the grease" that's their hopes. We gave them a settlement 2 years ago, there homes, land and possessions! Unanimous here you go , just let us get on with our lives! But nope still was not good enough, what will it take?
A few more deceased ancestors of mine again, perhaps!
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Flag Ban - Turkish Cypriot Point of View.
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Erol
There is only one side to this story.. You’re a confused young man
There is only one CYPRUS ..There is only one Government (which Denktash was a part of before the Turkish invasion in 1974) There is only one flag
Why don’t you call yourself Anglo-Turk , get a saint Georges flag draw half a moon and a star on it, get the Turks to invade Stoke Newington ,Cleanse any other religion or race become President and demand that the rest of the world recognises you as a country and that the flag should be flown at the Emirates
There is only one side to this story.. You’re a confused young man
There is only one CYPRUS ..There is only one Government (which Denktash was a part of before the Turkish invasion in 1974) There is only one flag
Why don’t you call yourself Anglo-Turk , get a saint Georges flag draw half a moon and a star on it, get the Turks to invade Stoke Newington ,Cleanse any other religion or race become President and demand that the rest of the world recognises you as a country and that the flag should be flown at the Emirates
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Kypros, why don't you enlighten everyone as to why the Turks invaded! Why is it words that pertain to your doings; you through out so casually at us!
Cleansing??? Come on just be honest with the world for a change, why not fault the Greek coup as it were, they forced your peoples hand assuming your a Greek Cypriot not a mainlander and if I'm not mistaken they did knock off a few Greek Cypriots that got in their way too!
Or is my history incorrect?
Coup , Enosis , Eoka are these terms all figments of my imagination.
30 years on my friend, give it a rest all ready get over it! You tried to stamp out us "turkomanis" and you failed so live with it.
Cleansing??? Come on just be honest with the world for a change, why not fault the Greek coup as it were, they forced your peoples hand assuming your a Greek Cypriot not a mainlander and if I'm not mistaken they did knock off a few Greek Cypriots that got in their way too!
Or is my history incorrect?
Coup , Enosis , Eoka are these terms all figments of my imagination.
30 years on my friend, give it a rest all ready get over it! You tried to stamp out us "turkomanis" and you failed so live with it.
I am not surprised you didn’t ask to be enlightened .I will anyway
Grivas and Makarios started a campain for independence in 1955 .The Zurich Agreement was signed in London in February 1959. Under the Zurich Agreement Cyprus was to become an independent state with Britain, Greece and Turkey acting as guarantors NOT as invaders. Grivas and his followers did not trust the mainland Turks and were against the Zurich agreement
In 1960 Cyprus gained its independents with Archbishop Makarios as the first President of Cyprus. The government of Cyprus belonged to both Greeks and Turks of Cyprus but the Turks been Muslim had their own Schools and villages where Christians dared not pass through while the turks of Cyprus worked and mingled freely in the rest of Cyprus. Grivas was always against civil war even though some of his followers stood up to the Turks .In August 1964 Turkey launched air strikes against Cyprus and threatened invasion were a line was drawn on the Cyprus map by the Turks separating 25% of the island. Meanwhile in Greece the King was dethroned and a military junta took power. Grivas died and its followers were let loose.A group of those Cypriots, with the backing of the military junta in Greece, launched a coup against Makarios and appointed Nicos Sampson as President.The coup was always destine to failure as no one supported it only a handful of generals backed by the CIA giving Turkey the excuse it was always looking for, five days later Turkey invaded and still illigaly occupies 33% of Cyprus.An estimated 50-70,000 Turkish troops illegally occupy Northern Cyprus. Possibly as many as 150,000 Turkish settlers, many against their will, were moved into Northern Cyprus.Many younger Turkish Cypriots that had the means, emigrated out of desperation .Some blame the world for some reason and not Turkey. That’s what brainwashing in a northern Cyprus school does to you.
Grivas and Makarios started a campain for independence in 1955 .The Zurich Agreement was signed in London in February 1959. Under the Zurich Agreement Cyprus was to become an independent state with Britain, Greece and Turkey acting as guarantors NOT as invaders. Grivas and his followers did not trust the mainland Turks and were against the Zurich agreement
In 1960 Cyprus gained its independents with Archbishop Makarios as the first President of Cyprus. The government of Cyprus belonged to both Greeks and Turks of Cyprus but the Turks been Muslim had their own Schools and villages where Christians dared not pass through while the turks of Cyprus worked and mingled freely in the rest of Cyprus. Grivas was always against civil war even though some of his followers stood up to the Turks .In August 1964 Turkey launched air strikes against Cyprus and threatened invasion were a line was drawn on the Cyprus map by the Turks separating 25% of the island. Meanwhile in Greece the King was dethroned and a military junta took power. Grivas died and its followers were let loose.A group of those Cypriots, with the backing of the military junta in Greece, launched a coup against Makarios and appointed Nicos Sampson as President.The coup was always destine to failure as no one supported it only a handful of generals backed by the CIA giving Turkey the excuse it was always looking for, five days later Turkey invaded and still illigaly occupies 33% of Cyprus.An estimated 50-70,000 Turkish troops illegally occupy Northern Cyprus. Possibly as many as 150,000 Turkish settlers, many against their will, were moved into Northern Cyprus.Many younger Turkish Cypriots that had the means, emigrated out of desperation .Some blame the world for some reason and not Turkey. That’s what brainwashing in a northern Cyprus school does to you.
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EROL
You have a big advantage been in England were you have a chance to leave the Turkish brainwashing propaganda behind you and wake up to reality.
There is only one Cyprus . There is only one legal flag.
Now ask me to enlighten you on the history of Cyprus (and it has a history as far back as 8000 BC)or is not in your interest to find out?
You have a big advantage been in England were you have a chance to leave the Turkish brainwashing propaganda behind you and wake up to reality.
There is only one Cyprus . There is only one legal flag.
Now ask me to enlighten you on the history of Cyprus (and it has a history as far back as 8000 BC)or is not in your interest to find out?
i knew you wouldn't ask me..but i will anyway
(cut and paste from historical site)
Early Cypriot 2300 - 1900 BC
The early discovery of copper is now widely exploited. Copper is exported to the countries of the Levant and Aegean. Settlements from this period are found all over Cyprus - Nicosia (Ayia Paraskevi), Sotira, Morphou.
Middle Cypriot 1900 - 1625 BC
Fortresses were erected as protection against raids by Hyksos. Kalopsida developed as an important trading centre. Settlers from surrounding countries arrived.
Late Cypriot 1625 - 1050 BC
A period of cultural innovation. The development of a distinctive script, advances in ceramics, strengthening of ties with the Greek civilisation. The Cypro-Minoan script developed during this period.
1400 - 1300 BC
Arrival of Greek Mycenaeans. Mycenaean pots date from this period.
1300 - 1230 BC
Strengthening of ties with the Greek world - language, customs, religion.
1230 - 1190 BC
Arrival of Achaeans, establishment of new cities which were to later become city states and independent kingdoms - Amathus, Curium, Kition ...
1190 - 1150 BC
The strategic location of Cyprus and its natural resources attracted the attention of many invaders and rulers. Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians raided the island.
1150 - 950 BC
A second wave of Achaeans settled in Cyprus. Earthquakes caused the destruction and abandonment of many cities.
Cypro-Geometric Period 1050 - 750 BC
Some of the destroyed cities were rebuilt and several new ones established during the first 100 years of this period. The Phoenicians arrived and settled, dominating the city of Kition - later to become their most powerful stronghold. Salamis, Paphos, Curium, and Amathus thrived during this period.
Cypro-Archaic Period 750 - 475 BC
Assyrians ruled from 709 - 669 BC. Tributes were collected from Cypriot kingdoms. An inscription on a pillar in Kition refers to seven Cypriot Kings who paid tribute to the Assyrian ruler Sargon II circa 709 BC. Another inscription refers to ten Cypriot cities - Salamis, Paphos, Curium, Soloi, Tamassos, Ledra, Kition, Amathus, Idalion, and Chytroi.
Following Assyrian rule Cyprus achieved a rare period of independence. This lasted almost a century until 565 BC when Cyprus was subjugated by the Egyptians. The Cypriot kingdoms remained independent but had to pay tax.
Egyptian rule lasted until 546 BC to be replaced by Persian domination. Although brief, Egyptian rule had considerable influence over the arts.
Persian rule lasted until 332 BC. A revolt in 449 BC was brutally suppressed.
Cypro-Classical Period 475 - 325 BC
[Evagoras] assumed control of the government of [Salamis], which as a result of Phoenician domination was run by barbarians; the city despised the Greeks, showed no interest in the arts and had neither a market place nor a harbour; Evagoras remedied all these deficiencies and increased the city's territory still further, surrounding it with new walls and providing it with triremes ... - Isocrates Evagoras 47 - Isocrates
A period dominated by Evagoras I (411 - 374 BC), King of Salamis, who waged war against the Persians. He was honoured by the Athenians for fighting the Persians, then abandoned when Athens signed a peace treaty with Persia.
Cyprus was caught in the middle between wars between Persia on the one hand, and Athens and Sparta on the other.
Apart from its importance as a source of wood for shipbuilding, Cyprus was an important naval base. The Persian Mediterranean naval fleet was based at Cyprus. The Persian fleet that destroyed Sparta's fleet at Knidos in 394 BC set sail from Cyprus.
Persian domination ended following the intervention of Alexander the Great and his victory at Tyre.
Hellenistic Period 325 - 50 BC
The intervention of Alexander the Great ushered in the Hellenistic period. On his death the empire was fought over by Ptolemy and Antigonos. Eventually Ptolemy prevailed. Cyprus was annexed by Egypt with Alexandria as its capital. A governor-general was appointed to run Cyprus. The Cypriot kingdoms were abolished in 312 BC.
During this period the arts flourished. It was also a time of public works - theatres, gymnasiums were established. Paphos flourished as the capital of Cyprus.
Roman Period 58 BC - 330 AD
By our Aphrodite of the mountains, by our mistress, by our Apollo Hylates, by our Apollo of Kyrenia, by our guardians the Curetes, by all the gods of Cyprus together with the council, the gods and goddesses of our fathers who belong to this island, the birthplace of Aphrodite, by Caesar Augustus who is our god, by eternal Rome and by all other gods and goddesses, we and our children do hereby solemnly swear ... to remain loyal to Tiberius Caesar and to honour him ... to have the same friends and the same enemies ... to accord holy honours to Rome and to Tiberius Caesar Augustus ...and only to the sons of his blood. - oath of allegiance to Rome [14 AD]
Rome annexed Cyprus in 58 BC, first as a province of Syria, then as separate province under a proconsul. A period of large public buildings - the Sanctuary of Apollo Hylates at Kourion, the Temple of Zeus at Salamis. Further impressive remains can be found at Nea Paphos and Soli.
Both Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony offered Cyprus as a gift to Cleopatra.
The Roman period saw the spread of Christianity. The Apostles Paul, Barnabas and Mark landed in Cyprus in the year 45 AD. The first Bishoprics were established on the island. Barnabas died a a Martyrs death in Salamis.
A Jewish revolt in 116 AD led to the death of of an estimated 240,000 people and the destruction of Salamis, later rebuilt with financial help from Emperor Hadrian.
The Roman period came to an end with the division of the Roman Empire. Cyprus become part of the Byzantine Empire.
Byzantine Period 330 - 1191 AD
With the split of the Roman Empire, Cyprus was allocated to the East Roman or Byzantine Empire. In 330 AD Constantine the Great founded a new capital for the empire on the site of ancient Byzantium.
A period of prosperity for the island. Numerous churches were constructed, existing temples became churches. The island suffered numerous Arab raids resulting in an Arab presence on the island dividing the Byzantine Period into two smaller periods.
Early Byzantine 330 - 649 AD
The first two centuries were peaceful and prosperous. Constantine had officially recognised Christianity in 313 AD. In the late 4th century AD Emperor Theodosius ordered the closure of all pagan temples. This put an end to the rituals at the Temple of Aphrodite in Pathos, though worship of Aphrodite continued to the present day.
Helena the mother of Constantine visited the island in 327 AD on her way from Jerusalem. She carried a fragment of the cross. A 36 year drought and famine ended on her arrival. She was prompted in a dream to found the Monastery at Stavrovouni. Within the monastery the fragment of the cross is kept in a gold case.
332 - 333 AD, Cyprus hit by destructive earthquakes.
Led by a vision, Archbishop Amthemios discovered the tomb of St Barnabas. Within he found the gospel according to St Mark hand written by Barnabas. This earned him great fame and privileges (he was allowed to sign papers in Imperial purple ink) and led to Cyprus being granted the status of an independent church in 478 AD.
Large number of Christian Basilica Churches constructed.
Arab Raids 647 - 965 AD
The first of a series of Arab raids took place in 647 AD. Again in 653 and 654. These escalated over a period of about 300 years.
Salamis-Constantia was ransacked in the first raid and never recovered. The harbour towns of Paphos, Kourion and Lambousa were depleted as the inhabitants moved to higher, safer ground further inland.
Late Byzantine 965 - 1191 AD
Arabs were not finally removed from the island until 965 AD.
Many churches were constructed during this period. The Monastery of Kykkos established.
Richard I 1191 AD
Richard the Lion Heart (Richard I, King of England) was forced by bad weather to land at Limassol whilst out crusading. The reception was not good and so Richard conquered the island. Needing money to finance crusades the island was sold to the Knights Templars in 1192. Equally short of cash and finding Cyprus a troublesome investment the Knights Templars sold the island at a loss back to Richard. He in turn sold it on to a Frankish crusading knight - Guy de Lusignan.
Richard married Queen Berengaria of Navarre and crowned her Queen of England in Limassol castle - the only Royal Wedding and Coronation to have taken place outside of England.
Lusignan Rule 1192 - 1489
The Lusigans introduced a Norman feudal model, the Cypriots reduced to the status of serfs. The Latin church was introduced, the Orthodox church persecuted. Through trade the island prospered, Famagusta became one of the richest cities of the East.
Several Gothic buildings were constructed during this period - the cathedrals of Ayia Sophia in Nicosia, Saint Nicolas in Famagusta and Bellapais Abbey.
After the death of Peter I in 1369 the Lusignan influence slowly weakened. There were frequent raids on the island, the Genoese and Mamelukes caused widespread devastation. When the Genoese seized Famagusta the Venetians were called upon to help. The Venetians routed the Genoese, promptly annexing Cyprus for themselves
Thomas Aquinas dedicated De Regimine Principium to the 13th century King Hugh III.
Venetian Rule 1489 - 1571
In 1489 Catherine Kornaro, the last Queen of Cyprus, ceded Cyprus to the Venetians. This brought to an end the Medieval period and ushered in the Venetian Period.
A period noted for its persecution of the Greek Orthodox Church. Massive fortresses were constructed against the threat of an Ottoman invasion. Both Nicosia and Famagusta were encircled by great walls and bastions, the remains of which can still be seen. The Turks stormed Nicosia in 1570 and Famagusta in 1572 bringing to an end the Venetian period.
Turkish Rule 1570 - 1878
Cyprus was annexed by the Ottoman Empire. Many Turks arrived and settled on the island creating the two communities. The Latin Church was evicted, the Orthodox Church allowed to continue. Under Turkish rule the island fell into economic decline.
In 1878 under the terms of an alliance the Sultan ceded Cyprus to the British for the purpose of defence and administration, though it remained the property of the Sultan. In 1914 when Turkey entered the War on the side of Germany, Cyprus was formally annexed by Great Britain. In 1923, under the Treaty of Lausanne, Turkey renounced all claims to the island.
British Rule 1878 - 1960
(cut and paste from historical site)
Early Cypriot 2300 - 1900 BC
The early discovery of copper is now widely exploited. Copper is exported to the countries of the Levant and Aegean. Settlements from this period are found all over Cyprus - Nicosia (Ayia Paraskevi), Sotira, Morphou.
Middle Cypriot 1900 - 1625 BC
Fortresses were erected as protection against raids by Hyksos. Kalopsida developed as an important trading centre. Settlers from surrounding countries arrived.
Late Cypriot 1625 - 1050 BC
A period of cultural innovation. The development of a distinctive script, advances in ceramics, strengthening of ties with the Greek civilisation. The Cypro-Minoan script developed during this period.
1400 - 1300 BC
Arrival of Greek Mycenaeans. Mycenaean pots date from this period.
1300 - 1230 BC
Strengthening of ties with the Greek world - language, customs, religion.
1230 - 1190 BC
Arrival of Achaeans, establishment of new cities which were to later become city states and independent kingdoms - Amathus, Curium, Kition ...
1190 - 1150 BC
The strategic location of Cyprus and its natural resources attracted the attention of many invaders and rulers. Assyrians, Egyptians and Persians raided the island.
1150 - 950 BC
A second wave of Achaeans settled in Cyprus. Earthquakes caused the destruction and abandonment of many cities.
Cypro-Geometric Period 1050 - 750 BC
Some of the destroyed cities were rebuilt and several new ones established during the first 100 years of this period. The Phoenicians arrived and settled, dominating the city of Kition - later to become their most powerful stronghold. Salamis, Paphos, Curium, and Amathus thrived during this period.
Cypro-Archaic Period 750 - 475 BC
Assyrians ruled from 709 - 669 BC. Tributes were collected from Cypriot kingdoms. An inscription on a pillar in Kition refers to seven Cypriot Kings who paid tribute to the Assyrian ruler Sargon II circa 709 BC. Another inscription refers to ten Cypriot cities - Salamis, Paphos, Curium, Soloi, Tamassos, Ledra, Kition, Amathus, Idalion, and Chytroi.
Following Assyrian rule Cyprus achieved a rare period of independence. This lasted almost a century until 565 BC when Cyprus was subjugated by the Egyptians. The Cypriot kingdoms remained independent but had to pay tax.
Egyptian rule lasted until 546 BC to be replaced by Persian domination. Although brief, Egyptian rule had considerable influence over the arts.
Persian rule lasted until 332 BC. A revolt in 449 BC was brutally suppressed.
Cypro-Classical Period 475 - 325 BC
[Evagoras] assumed control of the government of [Salamis], which as a result of Phoenician domination was run by barbarians; the city despised the Greeks, showed no interest in the arts and had neither a market place nor a harbour; Evagoras remedied all these deficiencies and increased the city's territory still further, surrounding it with new walls and providing it with triremes ... - Isocrates Evagoras 47 - Isocrates
A period dominated by Evagoras I (411 - 374 BC), King of Salamis, who waged war against the Persians. He was honoured by the Athenians for fighting the Persians, then abandoned when Athens signed a peace treaty with Persia.
Cyprus was caught in the middle between wars between Persia on the one hand, and Athens and Sparta on the other.
Apart from its importance as a source of wood for shipbuilding, Cyprus was an important naval base. The Persian Mediterranean naval fleet was based at Cyprus. The Persian fleet that destroyed Sparta's fleet at Knidos in 394 BC set sail from Cyprus.
Persian domination ended following the intervention of Alexander the Great and his victory at Tyre.
Hellenistic Period 325 - 50 BC
The intervention of Alexander the Great ushered in the Hellenistic period. On his death the empire was fought over by Ptolemy and Antigonos. Eventually Ptolemy prevailed. Cyprus was annexed by Egypt with Alexandria as its capital. A governor-general was appointed to run Cyprus. The Cypriot kingdoms were abolished in 312 BC.
During this period the arts flourished. It was also a time of public works - theatres, gymnasiums were established. Paphos flourished as the capital of Cyprus.
Roman Period 58 BC - 330 AD
By our Aphrodite of the mountains, by our mistress, by our Apollo Hylates, by our Apollo of Kyrenia, by our guardians the Curetes, by all the gods of Cyprus together with the council, the gods and goddesses of our fathers who belong to this island, the birthplace of Aphrodite, by Caesar Augustus who is our god, by eternal Rome and by all other gods and goddesses, we and our children do hereby solemnly swear ... to remain loyal to Tiberius Caesar and to honour him ... to have the same friends and the same enemies ... to accord holy honours to Rome and to Tiberius Caesar Augustus ...and only to the sons of his blood. - oath of allegiance to Rome [14 AD]
Rome annexed Cyprus in 58 BC, first as a province of Syria, then as separate province under a proconsul. A period of large public buildings - the Sanctuary of Apollo Hylates at Kourion, the Temple of Zeus at Salamis. Further impressive remains can be found at Nea Paphos and Soli.
Both Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony offered Cyprus as a gift to Cleopatra.
The Roman period saw the spread of Christianity. The Apostles Paul, Barnabas and Mark landed in Cyprus in the year 45 AD. The first Bishoprics were established on the island. Barnabas died a a Martyrs death in Salamis.
A Jewish revolt in 116 AD led to the death of of an estimated 240,000 people and the destruction of Salamis, later rebuilt with financial help from Emperor Hadrian.
The Roman period came to an end with the division of the Roman Empire. Cyprus become part of the Byzantine Empire.
Byzantine Period 330 - 1191 AD
With the split of the Roman Empire, Cyprus was allocated to the East Roman or Byzantine Empire. In 330 AD Constantine the Great founded a new capital for the empire on the site of ancient Byzantium.
A period of prosperity for the island. Numerous churches were constructed, existing temples became churches. The island suffered numerous Arab raids resulting in an Arab presence on the island dividing the Byzantine Period into two smaller periods.
Early Byzantine 330 - 649 AD
The first two centuries were peaceful and prosperous. Constantine had officially recognised Christianity in 313 AD. In the late 4th century AD Emperor Theodosius ordered the closure of all pagan temples. This put an end to the rituals at the Temple of Aphrodite in Pathos, though worship of Aphrodite continued to the present day.
Helena the mother of Constantine visited the island in 327 AD on her way from Jerusalem. She carried a fragment of the cross. A 36 year drought and famine ended on her arrival. She was prompted in a dream to found the Monastery at Stavrovouni. Within the monastery the fragment of the cross is kept in a gold case.
332 - 333 AD, Cyprus hit by destructive earthquakes.
Led by a vision, Archbishop Amthemios discovered the tomb of St Barnabas. Within he found the gospel according to St Mark hand written by Barnabas. This earned him great fame and privileges (he was allowed to sign papers in Imperial purple ink) and led to Cyprus being granted the status of an independent church in 478 AD.
Large number of Christian Basilica Churches constructed.
Arab Raids 647 - 965 AD
The first of a series of Arab raids took place in 647 AD. Again in 653 and 654. These escalated over a period of about 300 years.
Salamis-Constantia was ransacked in the first raid and never recovered. The harbour towns of Paphos, Kourion and Lambousa were depleted as the inhabitants moved to higher, safer ground further inland.
Late Byzantine 965 - 1191 AD
Arabs were not finally removed from the island until 965 AD.
Many churches were constructed during this period. The Monastery of Kykkos established.
Richard I 1191 AD
Richard the Lion Heart (Richard I, King of England) was forced by bad weather to land at Limassol whilst out crusading. The reception was not good and so Richard conquered the island. Needing money to finance crusades the island was sold to the Knights Templars in 1192. Equally short of cash and finding Cyprus a troublesome investment the Knights Templars sold the island at a loss back to Richard. He in turn sold it on to a Frankish crusading knight - Guy de Lusignan.
Richard married Queen Berengaria of Navarre and crowned her Queen of England in Limassol castle - the only Royal Wedding and Coronation to have taken place outside of England.
Lusignan Rule 1192 - 1489
The Lusigans introduced a Norman feudal model, the Cypriots reduced to the status of serfs. The Latin church was introduced, the Orthodox church persecuted. Through trade the island prospered, Famagusta became one of the richest cities of the East.
Several Gothic buildings were constructed during this period - the cathedrals of Ayia Sophia in Nicosia, Saint Nicolas in Famagusta and Bellapais Abbey.
After the death of Peter I in 1369 the Lusignan influence slowly weakened. There were frequent raids on the island, the Genoese and Mamelukes caused widespread devastation. When the Genoese seized Famagusta the Venetians were called upon to help. The Venetians routed the Genoese, promptly annexing Cyprus for themselves
Thomas Aquinas dedicated De Regimine Principium to the 13th century King Hugh III.
Venetian Rule 1489 - 1571
In 1489 Catherine Kornaro, the last Queen of Cyprus, ceded Cyprus to the Venetians. This brought to an end the Medieval period and ushered in the Venetian Period.
A period noted for its persecution of the Greek Orthodox Church. Massive fortresses were constructed against the threat of an Ottoman invasion. Both Nicosia and Famagusta were encircled by great walls and bastions, the remains of which can still be seen. The Turks stormed Nicosia in 1570 and Famagusta in 1572 bringing to an end the Venetian period.
Turkish Rule 1570 - 1878
Cyprus was annexed by the Ottoman Empire. Many Turks arrived and settled on the island creating the two communities. The Latin Church was evicted, the Orthodox Church allowed to continue. Under Turkish rule the island fell into economic decline.
In 1878 under the terms of an alliance the Sultan ceded Cyprus to the British for the purpose of defence and administration, though it remained the property of the Sultan. In 1914 when Turkey entered the War on the side of Germany, Cyprus was formally annexed by Great Britain. In 1923, under the Treaty of Lausanne, Turkey renounced all claims to the island.
British Rule 1878 - 1960
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gooner Erol
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Kypros,
Live for the future my friend not for the past! God man 8000 years ago! Are you for real.
Your people have lived on a cosy island, had all the niceties of the outside and western world, access to international moneys, and investments, all the benefits of living under a flag which is recognised and away from the fear of not knowing if one day the home you've had no choice but to move into, because you were chased out of yours which was left behind some stupid line, will be taken away from you once more! and still you want more!
30 years of embargoes , no access to any financial support, soley being self suficient 30 years? and you still have the nerve to ask for more!
Because someone stepped forward beit selfishly or unselfishly, to guarantee some sort of life for unwanted Cypriots.
Tell me how is what the U.S did for the Iraqi's any different then what Turkey did for us!! Do tell me ENLIGHTEN me.
Live for the future my friend not for the past! God man 8000 years ago! Are you for real.
Your people have lived on a cosy island, had all the niceties of the outside and western world, access to international moneys, and investments, all the benefits of living under a flag which is recognised and away from the fear of not knowing if one day the home you've had no choice but to move into, because you were chased out of yours which was left behind some stupid line, will be taken away from you once more! and still you want more!
30 years of embargoes , no access to any financial support, soley being self suficient 30 years? and you still have the nerve to ask for more!
Because someone stepped forward beit selfishly or unselfishly, to guarantee some sort of life for unwanted Cypriots.
Tell me how is what the U.S did for the Iraqi's any different then what Turkey did for us!! Do tell me ENLIGHTEN me.
"Tell me how is what the U.S did for the Iraqi's any different then what Turkey did for us!! Do tell me ENLIGHTEN me."
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what does the iraqo-american flag look like .And which part of Iraq have the Americans cleansed of muslims to bring american settlers in
If Turkey did what the US did for the Iraqi's no one would have a problem
with it. After all Turkey was one of the guarantors.
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what does the iraqo-american flag look like .And which part of Iraq have the Americans cleansed of muslims to bring american settlers in
If Turkey did what the US did for the Iraqi's no one would have a problem
with it. After all Turkey was one of the guarantors.
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Ok lets try this one last time hopefully!
You have yet to address why Turkey showed up in '74?
You have yet to address why Turkey, if it's intention was cleansing did not proceed to do so, swiftly and totally at that time which we both know they were more then aptly capable of.
I'll give you the real answers and then you feed the gooner faithful, having a laugh at us by now, the phantom Greek scenario.
Why did they arrive in '74 , because Denktas had to beg them and plead to them that enough Turkish Cypriots had been killed and driven from many of the southern villages. That if someone did not act soon, there would be no Turkish Cypriots left to save.
Why they did not proceed to cleanse the island of it's Greek inhabitants, this was not their intention.As history shows. Yes the rest of the world i.e Britain and the U.S pressured them to cease. But they had also given them ultimatums prior to acting in the first place.
You have yet to address why Turkey showed up in '74?
You have yet to address why Turkey, if it's intention was cleansing did not proceed to do so, swiftly and totally at that time which we both know they were more then aptly capable of.
I'll give you the real answers and then you feed the gooner faithful, having a laugh at us by now, the phantom Greek scenario.
Why did they arrive in '74 , because Denktas had to beg them and plead to them that enough Turkish Cypriots had been killed and driven from many of the southern villages. That if someone did not act soon, there would be no Turkish Cypriots left to save.
Why they did not proceed to cleanse the island of it's Greek inhabitants, this was not their intention.As history shows. Yes the rest of the world i.e Britain and the U.S pressured them to cease. But they had also given them ultimatums prior to acting in the first place.
1. Turkish Cypriot flag does not represent an aggressive regime? hahaha...so the Greek Cypriots just decided to abandon their houses and homes and give them to the Turkish army because they were being generous??
Has the Turkish Cypriot regime brought to justice the politician who shot a Greek Cypriot demonstrator - who had no weapons on him - in the head?? Even though it was record on TV??
What about the Turkish facist group the grey wolves, who along with Turkish Cypriot policemen, beat another unarmed Greek Cypriot demonstrator to death...which was also recorded on TV??? and this was only 10 years ago lol.
2.May I also add that the UN figures show that not one Turkish Cypriot was killed by a Greek Cypriot IN THE YEAR before Turkey invaded - the was only a Greek Cypriot problem within their own community and the military group who wanted Cyprus to join with Greece had no support whatsoever by the Greek Cypriot community. They also show that between 1960 and 1974 (before the invasion) the death tally through intercommunal violance between the two communities showed that about 100 or so more Turkish Cypriots (some who were killed by fellow pro-separatist Turkish Cypriot extremists) had died compared to Greek Cypriots. During the summer of the Turkish invasion, the Turkish army along with Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries killed more Greek Cypriots than the total number of Greek and Turkish Cypriot deaths in the previous decade.
I do not get information from propaganda like the Turkish government who make it illegal in Turkey to publicly speak out against their invasion, I get it from reputable unbiased sources such as the UN (who were there at the time) or the European Courts of Human Rights.
Nobody said Turkish Cypriots didnt exist Erol but your ridiculous claim of being embargoed is your own problem because this isnt the middle ages or the Ottoman Empire and you cannot force people from their homes and claim your own country within another sovereign country...and expect the world to be alright with it. Greek Cypriots dont have their own state even though we make up 82% of the Cypriot population. What you prevented from Greek Cypriots from democratically choosing, their own destiny, is what you are trying to take by force and ethnically cleansing people in the process.
Anyway, talking about this on an Arsenal website is stupid.
AS FAR AS I KNOW THE FLAG ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED. ALL NATIONAL FLAGS ARE ALLOWED...(AS WELL AS ONE REPRESENTING ILLEGAL PSEUDO-STATES UNFORTUNATLY)...EXCEPT THEY CANNOT BE HUNG FROM THE EDGE OF THE STANDS...ONLY WAVED FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
...bet that put a spanner in the works for Turkish nationalist group 'Embargoed' who used one of their members to do their dirty work at Arsenal. What are the odds of the television catching the 'TRNC' flag from the top tier, being waved for like 5-10 seconds???
Has the Turkish Cypriot regime brought to justice the politician who shot a Greek Cypriot demonstrator - who had no weapons on him - in the head?? Even though it was record on TV??
What about the Turkish facist group the grey wolves, who along with Turkish Cypriot policemen, beat another unarmed Greek Cypriot demonstrator to death...which was also recorded on TV??? and this was only 10 years ago lol.
2.May I also add that the UN figures show that not one Turkish Cypriot was killed by a Greek Cypriot IN THE YEAR before Turkey invaded - the was only a Greek Cypriot problem within their own community and the military group who wanted Cyprus to join with Greece had no support whatsoever by the Greek Cypriot community. They also show that between 1960 and 1974 (before the invasion) the death tally through intercommunal violance between the two communities showed that about 100 or so more Turkish Cypriots (some who were killed by fellow pro-separatist Turkish Cypriot extremists) had died compared to Greek Cypriots. During the summer of the Turkish invasion, the Turkish army along with Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries killed more Greek Cypriots than the total number of Greek and Turkish Cypriot deaths in the previous decade.
I do not get information from propaganda like the Turkish government who make it illegal in Turkey to publicly speak out against their invasion, I get it from reputable unbiased sources such as the UN (who were there at the time) or the European Courts of Human Rights.
Nobody said Turkish Cypriots didnt exist Erol but your ridiculous claim of being embargoed is your own problem because this isnt the middle ages or the Ottoman Empire and you cannot force people from their homes and claim your own country within another sovereign country...and expect the world to be alright with it. Greek Cypriots dont have their own state even though we make up 82% of the Cypriot population. What you prevented from Greek Cypriots from democratically choosing, their own destiny, is what you are trying to take by force and ethnically cleansing people in the process.
Anyway, talking about this on an Arsenal website is stupid.
AS FAR AS I KNOW THE FLAG ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED. ALL NATIONAL FLAGS ARE ALLOWED...(AS WELL AS ONE REPRESENTING ILLEGAL PSEUDO-STATES UNFORTUNATLY)...EXCEPT THEY CANNOT BE HUNG FROM THE EDGE OF THE STANDS...ONLY WAVED FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
...bet that put a spanner in the works for Turkish nationalist group 'Embargoed' who used one of their members to do their dirty work at Arsenal. What are the odds of the television catching the 'TRNC' flag from the top tier, being waved for like 5-10 seconds???
by someone who spoke to a steward at the last game.
Think the rule is no national flag can be permanently hung but only waved for a short period of time.
The way I see it that it defeats some of the purpose of political groups like 'Embargoed' who used one of their members to display this flag in order to catch attention. All though the flag will still be there and still be provocotive when waved.
Have you seen the 'Embargoed page were this guy admits he is one of their members and says he is waving the flag so Turkish Cypriots can hopefully have their own football team and stuff. Its so blatently political!
Think the rule is no national flag can be permanently hung but only waved for a short period of time.
The way I see it that it defeats some of the purpose of political groups like 'Embargoed' who used one of their members to display this flag in order to catch attention. All though the flag will still be there and still be provocotive when waved.
Have you seen the 'Embargoed page were this guy admits he is one of their members and says he is waving the flag so Turkish Cypriots can hopefully have their own football team and stuff. Its so blatently political!
