OZIL - Merged Thread

[Blade]

and why is UE giving him individual traning?!.No wonder he cried out WH game.

[DB10GOONER]

"replaced him with Bale"

Bale can't even get in the side.

If the 2 Germany CBs were crap what has that got to do with his own game which has been in decline for years [not my observation but his fellow pros].

Some fool says he needs many,many good players around him to excel.So Khaderia,Kroos,Asensio,CR7,Casemiro,MODRIC,Mueller,Reus,Isco et al are not good enough? Wow, so high maintenance!.

Who does he need then? Pele,Maradona,Zidane ?.

I am sorry but you are making a total tool of yourself here. You are either this stupid or you are a troll - there is no other option. you should probably go back to that "much better forum" you did your big "I'm leaving" bit for, huh? Because seriously you are embarrassing yourself and the rest of us with this drivel you are posting.

A couple of facts here for your limited intellect to wrestle with: at Madrid he set the European assist record across ALL leagues. Ronaldo and his team mates and fans screamed blue murder when Madrid sold him. He set the PL 50 assists record. He was German player of the year FIVE years in a row. He was their best player at the recent world cup creating more than any other German player.

Like augie says if you are going to criticise a player at least post informed comments rather than your moronic childlike agenda bullshit.

That ship sailed long ago

[DB10GOONER]

and why is UE giving him individual traning?!.No wonder he cried out WH game.

[Blade]

Seriously can you experts answer these questions:

1.why did Real sell him?.

2.Why Germany drop him for the Sweden match?.

3.why is he getting individual training? .

4.Why is the club trying to sell him?

intelligent ans please.

[northbank123]

Any ideas whether he has gotten over the sniffles for Sunday yet?

[DB10GOONER]

Seriously can you experts answer these questions:

1.why did Real sell him?.

2.Why Germany drop him for the Sweden match?.

3.why is he getting individual training? .

4.Why is the club trying to sell him?

intelligent ans please.

If you want intelligent answers ask intelligent questions ffs

[oaodan]

F**king bullshite theory.Look at the facts:

He was dumped by the best club side in the world.[13 ECL cups].And a whole country.

I recall They have/had very good players [Kroos,Isco,Asensio,CR 7,Casemiro,Modric,Bale] around him.RM were rejoicing when AW paid 42m.Or they all played badly too!

Germany dropped him for the Sweden match -wonder why?.Their midfield was Draxler,Reus,kroos all elite players. According to your shite theory he should do well!.

Or you gonna say they all played badly.

How many elite players you need to support him?.He is that poor?.

Ask yourself this Q -if you dare..if he is that good why would club and country dump him.

Here read this as a bonus: https://talksport.com/football/401048/a ... -cup-2018/

but that is the point at Madrid he was racking up the assists, they got rid of him to pay for bale as they have isco,Asensio and modric to create. Bale added pace and engine. its not like they went out and swapped a failing playmaker for a new improved playmaker they, swapped a playmaker for a pacey striker/winger.


As for club and country, you know that country is political, and that he was no way to blame for the whole side being shit.

Probably for club he is ill or the manager wants to take him out of the firing line with all the bullshit going on.

He is not perfect but he is not the cause of arsenal being outside the top four/chasing titles or Germany crashing out of the world cup, you have to blame 11+ players and the managers there, if the Germany coach thought he was shit/lazy he would not have picked him... simple as that. this german team lacked pace and could not defend for shit. they scape goated him. I think the CBs had some of the worst performances in the tournament.


you have to accept that someone like him will lose the ball, where you allow him to lose the ball / play risky passes etc is a coaching choice, but he is a luxury player, and that is not a problem if he is given a specific role to do, and the team know, he is probably going to try to play a difficult chance, and counter can come from this.. be ready for it.

its not like every pass Bergkamp or Pires made came off, but we had the players to deal with it when we lost the ball, and just as importantly we had players that would punish the oppo when it did come off such as Wright, Henry, Anelka etc.

Do you think if ozil was playing in Henry we would be talking about him like this?

Ozil or Henry? I think there is a good argument that Ozil would have hindered Henry's game. What was great about Arsenal back then was the speed at which we moved the ball and moved from defence to attack. I dunno if Ozil woulda fitted in that well, Henry always wanted the ball early, Ozil tends to slow the game down, twists and turns but doesn't cover the ground very quickly with the ball. Has he ever actually played with a striker like Henry,an out an out striker.With Germany certainly they played without an out an out striker, was it Muller upfront as a kind of converted striker and 5 in midfield.It was always pretty slow build up. Real tended to build it up slowly enough too a lot of time, Higuain was the striker around that time? no pace at all.

Just saw highlights of Arsenal v Spurs in 2004, no way can Ozil do what Pires could. Pires was a luxury player but he had pace, two footed, could finish and shoot from distance. He was a fuckin joy to play with I reckon,always moved the ball quickly.

Reckon Dick will move Ozil on if he can, not least because I reckon transfer to attack has to return to being quicker to suit Aubameyang especially, and Lacazette. I am just not convinced you can have a striker who wants the ball as early as possible and a playmaker who slows the game down while he clears his cartarrh.

[AkneyGooner]

oaodan,

Benzema is the definition of an out and out striker, and this is where he got some of his best stats.

I am not sure you are watching the same player as the rest of us, one of the things ozil does well is a one touch through ball.

I not saying he is legend like Pires or Bergkamp (i would swap either for him at the same age), I am saying he is not the problem, there are 3 or 4 things that would do with being fixed / upgraded before we look to him. he is getting scape goated a lot, he does have good quality it is up to the manager to get our most skilled players effecting the match.

[oaodan]

oaodan,

Benzema is the definition of an out and out striker, and this is where he got some of his best stats.

I am not sure you are watching the same player as the rest of us, one of the things ozil does well is a one touch through ball.

I not saying he is legend like Pires or Bergkamp (i would swap either for him at the same age), I am saying he is not the problem, there are 3 or 4 things that would do with being fixed / upgraded before we look to him. he is getting scape goated a lot, he does have good quality it is up to the manager to get our most skilled players effecting the match.

Ok, maybe.I am biased because I have given up on the fucker.But I would argue there is never a through ball from 30/40 yards or from his own half.And that is why he would kill an Henry and, not fit it with the brilliant back to front football we used to play.

You say there are 3 or 4 things we should fix before we look at him,but 7 sickies since Jan 2017 was the stat today.That's brutal stuff around a training ground,and one of the first thing that needs fixing.No wonder he goes missing in matches if he thinks its ok to miss matches completely. I think the problems are never all that difficult to spot, Arsene just turned a blind eye. Most now know that the Ozil situation aint gonna end well, it's a bloddy mess.

[Blade]

'First time through ball' ? I think he only ever played that type of ball once [against Chelsea last season] And that was with Alexis up top.

Usually he takes 4/5 touches and does a pirouette,and gets dispossessed at which point he throws his arms up in the air.

How many times we have seen this scene play out?

[northbank123]

Basically he will make a class team even better. That’s what he did at Madrid and Germany when they were quality, unless you are rewriting history.

But he will always hide in a shit team. It’s just the nature of his abilities and his demeanour.

This is summed up by his Arsenal career, which involves going missing in nearly every big game but equally racking up some absolutely frightening stats around assists and chances created, which reflects us being easily one of the better sides in the league over that time.

Sanchez is the complete opposite. His selfish game is pretty much the same level whichever team you stick him in. So he looks absolutely brilliant in poor sides who rely on his brilliance and goals but frustrating in class sides where his greed and wastefulness stand out more. Up until the last 12 months anyway where he has been poor whichever shirt he has pulled on.

[Blade]

never said he is lazy intact his running stats are very high.He just doesn't have the game for the EPL.Its never about size and power.Look at Silva and Hazard small No.10s but with enough skill and ability to survive the physicality.And win most of their 'take-ons' can thread a pass play in teamates,take free kicks and also track back to cover fullback !. look at their stats versus the top 6.Very enviable.

[Blade]

why are article's like this appearing ?http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/arsenal ... do-without

[DB10GOONER]

why are article's like this appearing ?http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/arsenal ... do-without

Mark Ogden? One of the worst bandwagon jumping "reporters" to suck a living from the game ffs. Forget "articles" by idiots. Bergkamp was written off by these moron reporters in his first few months with us.

Ozil is hot news now because he told Germany to fuck off. So what's a shit reporter going to write? "Yep everything is kind of ok now he's getting on with his day job"? How many clicks will that get or how many papers will that sell? Ffs if you take as gospel anything written by these morons you are even less intelligent than you've demonstrated on this forum.

[DB10GOONER]

Basically he will make a class team even better. That’s what he did at Madrid and Germany when they were quality, unless you are rewriting history.

But he will always hide in a shit team. It’s just the nature of his abilities and his demeanour.

This is summed up by his Arsenal career, which involves going missing in nearly every big game but equally racking up some absolutely frightening stats around assists and chances created, which reflects us being easily one of the better sides in the league over that time.

Sanchez is the complete opposite. His selfish game is pretty much the same level whichever team you stick him in. So he looks absolutely brilliant in poor sides who rely on his brilliance and goals but frustrating in class sides where his greed and wastefulness stand out more. Up until the last 12 months anyway where he has been poor whichever shirt he has pulled on.

Bit in red I agree 100%. He is world class but only in a fairly limited set of circumstances and in a team of other top quality players.

Bit in blue ignores the fact that the entire team does not show up for nearly every big game. Also ignores the situation where in those big games he is still often of of our best players in comparison with the rest of our team as he still creates at least a couple of chances - that are often squandered by our poor strikers.

The Sanchez thing is interesting. My outstanding memory of Sanchez is the fact that 90% of the time he ignored most of our strikers and midfielders and looked for Ozil. There were games where the two of them just passed to each other and moaned at their team mates non stop.