Unai Emery

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Well I did mention at the time that Dick had been gushing in his praise of Wenger (and always has been) and that he favoured a similar style but I got hit with "ooh he was only being polite".

I don't know. It may be that he was just being honest.

He may not be the right man for the job. That is a possibility. But obviously we have to give him a fair chance to show us one way or the other how suitable he is.

That's shockingly harsh imo - if we are to believe that he is picking the players, then nobody could call torreira, sokratis, the dozi or lichsteiner as lightweight. Also, telling a manager that he has ZERO money to spend this month, and then expecting him to have a choice of players is unrealistic - it would be damn hard to find players available for loan, are of the required level, and are big physical powerhouses.
If he has no part of picking the players we buy, then he cant be blamed at all

How is that by any stretch of the imagination "shockingly harsh"? Have you gone full snowflake buddy? Are we gonna have to set up a Facebook page and a gofundme thing to help you through your trauma here? Or did you just fuck the quoting pooch and meant to respond to Lefty's post rather than mine?

Leave me out of it littlin, Augie pm'd me after his post and clarified that it was your post he was whinging about and he'd fucked up his post by including my post because your post was shit, how many posts can you get in one post

Wow you Ewoks have gotten aggressive since they left you out of the last couple of Star Wars movies huh?

What's more amazing is that you can still get that belly in the R2D2

[GoonerMuzz]

People need to stop falling back onto Wenger as an excuse, UE has had enough time to imprint his message onto the team now and if he isn't getting his message across properly that is on him. Watching most recent games and the way we have played it really does feel like ground hog day at times.

I hope UE succeeds but i am personally not feeling it, the whole 'give him a chance argument' lost weight for me before Christmas as we kept making the same defensive mistakes week in week out and nothing was done to rectify it. This has continued in too many games for me to credit it to anyone but him. Even before we lost our unbeaten run the results were good but the performances were mediocre.

I have a question to ask, exactly how long should we give him, exactly at what point do we say it is no longer the previous managers responsibility but his and his alone? If he is such a good manager you'd think he'd at least be able to instil discipline and organisation on a regular basis, after all we have shown glimpses of it such as the Spuds and Chelsea so the players are obviously capable of it.

[Leyton Gooner]

Been said many times he needs two full seasons at least (possibly more if Wiggy *word censored* continues to give him fuck all to spend, although he'll probably have had enough by then) The current squad has been infected with the virus instilled on them by the French *word censored* and it is nigh on impossible for any manager to cure them. Sokratis, the only member of the defence that never played under the previous manager, has looked the most solid.

[GoonerMuzz]

Been said many times he needs two full seasons at least (possibly more if Wiggy *word censored* continues to give him fuck all to spend, although he'll probably have had enough by then) The current squad has been infected with the virus instilled on them by the French *word censored* and it is nigh on impossible for any manager to cure them. Sokratis, the only member of the defence that never played under the previous manager, has looked the most solid.

Sorry mate but that is too simplistic for me, if it is a disease left over from Wenger how do you explain the few good/excellent games, the players can do it so using the shit team reasoning is starting to wear thin now. It seems to me we've flipped the old OGL reasoning that when it was bad it was down to him, the few times it went well in recent seasons it was the players responsibility. Now when it goes bad it is the players fault and when it goes well it is all down to UE. It just doesn't hold up to scrutiny or objective reasoning

[augie]

People need to stop falling back onto Wenger as an excuse, UE has had enough time to imprint his message onto the team now and if he isn't getting his message across properly that is on him. Watching most recent games and the way we have played it really does feel like ground hog day at times.

I hope UE succeeds but i am personally not feeling it, the whole 'give him a chance argument' lost weight for me before Christmas as we kept making the same defensive mistakes week in week out and nothing was done to rectify it. This has continued in too many games for me to credit it to anyone but him. Even before we lost our unbeaten run the results were good but the performances were mediocre.

I have a question to ask, exactly how long should we give him, exactly at what point do we say it is no longer the previous managers responsibility but his and his alone? If he is such a good manager you'd think he'd at least be able to instil discipline and organisation on a regular basis, after all we have shown glimpses of it such as the Spuds and Chelsea so the players are obviously capable of it.

[GoonerMuzz]

People need to stop falling back onto Wenger as an excuse, UE has had enough time to imprint his message onto the team now and if he isn't getting his message across properly that is on him. Watching most recent games and the way we have played it really does feel like ground hog day at times.

I hope UE succeeds but i am personally not feeling it, the whole 'give him a chance argument' lost weight for me before Christmas as we kept making the same defensive mistakes week in week out and nothing was done to rectify it. This has continued in too many games for me to credit it to anyone but him. Even before we lost our unbeaten run the results were good but the performances were mediocre.

I have a question to ask, exactly how long should we give him, exactly at what point do we say it is no longer the previous managers responsibility but his and his alone? If he is such a good manager you'd think he'd at least be able to instil discipline and organisation on a regular basis, after all we have shown glimpses of it such as the Spuds and Chelsea so the players are obviously capable of it.

So 30 games and all the training sessions in between isn't enough for them to get the message from him then Augie? Its funny how OGL used to Wengerise players within a few weeks

[augie]

How long is mustafi a pro footballer ? Has anyone been able to teach him to be a proper defender in all those years ?
How many years has xhaka been a pro ? Has he learned discipline yet ?
What about bellends positional discipline ? Or ramsey's inability to retain possession and cutting out flicks and tricks ?

These are just a few players that I have selected that are professional footballers for a long time now, and these faults/weaknesses have been ingrained into them over a number of years of poor coaching - you expect dick to come in and turnaround years of bad habits in 6 months ? Man you gotta be realistic in what dick can be expected to do when you recognise what he has to work with - without doubt there are things that dick too needs to improve on as a manager, but I for one am willing to give the man a decent amount of time before I judge him to be a success or failure

[TeeCee]

Agreed Augie, also there’s the mentality of the squad to consider.
- Accountability is an alien word to most of them
- tactics and planning - for years they didn’t have to follow a plan or tactics, there wasn’t any!! Discipline and learning take time, old habits DO die hard!
- mental toughness, our captain cries at anything and it’s symptomatic of how they were treated and how they were allowed to behave by Wenger, this sort of thing is not sorted in 5 minutes. Lots of players need teaching, coaching, psychological support, fuck me they got nothing under Wenger other than being told they were all world class!!
- discipline, ok maybe part of other things but most of these players are failures at Arsenal. They need to change so many issues with their game, built over years. Dick cannot wave a magic wand and get Bellend to position himself better, he can’t get Ozil to give a fuck all of the time, he can’t make Mustafi stay on his feet. He also can’t just drop these players as we don’t have decent replacements (also the fault of the previous manager)!

So yes, stick behind UE and give him a chance, let him bring a few more players of his choice in and see what happens. If after 2 years it doesn’t look much better then fine, hound him out. What’s 2 years when Wenger fucked us over for close to 15 years!!??

[StuartL]

Agreed Augie, also there’s the mentality of the squad to consider.
- Accountability is an alien word to most of them
- tactics and planning - for years they didn’t have to follow a plan or tactics, there wasn’t any!! Discipline and learning take time, old habits DO die hard!
- mental toughness, our captain cries at anything and it’s symptomatic of how they were treated and how they were allowed to behave by Wenger, this sort of thing is not sorted in 5 minutes. Lots of players need teaching, coaching, psychological support, fuck me they got nothing under Wenger other than being told they were all world class!!
- discipline, ok maybe part of other things but most of these players are failures at Arsenal. They need to change so many issues with their game, built over years. Dick cannot wave a magic wand and get Bellend to position himself better, he can’t get Ozil to give a fuck all of the time, he can’t make Mustafi stay on his feet. He also can’t just drop these players as we don’t have decent replacements (also the fault of the previous manager)!

So yes, stick behind UE and give him a chance, let him bring a few more players of his choice in and see what happens. If after 2 years it doesn’t look much better then fine, hound him out. What’s 2 years when Wenger fucked us over for close to 15 years!!??

Agree TeeCee

Who is our best choice keeper - Leno (not much competition, I know)
Best defender - Sokratis
Best midfielder - Torreira

We are moving in the right direction, but frustratingly slowly, most games you would be hard pressed to notice much, if any difference between the current team and the last few years under Wenker.
It will take time to create a different way of playing and mentality that was ingrained in the whole squad / club.

If Dick gets 4th place, it would be his greatest ever achievement
Realistically 5th or 6th was our expected return this season.

A proper summer clear out and transfer window will tell us a lot.

[OneBardGooner]

Agreed Augie, also there’s the mentality of the squad to consider.
- Accountability is an alien word to most of them
- tactics and planning - for years they didn’t have to follow a plan or tactics, there wasn’t any!! Discipline and learning take time, old habits DO die hard!
- mental toughness, our captain cries at anything and it’s symptomatic of how they were treated and how they were allowed to behave by Wenger, this sort of thing is not sorted in 5 minutes. Lots of players need teaching, coaching, psychological support, fuck me they got nothing under Wenger other than being told they were all world class!!
- discipline, ok maybe part of other things but most of these players are failures at Arsenal. They need to change so many issues with their game, built over years. Dick cannot wave a magic wand and get Bellend to position himself better, he can’t get Ozil to give a fuck all of the time, he can’t make Mustafi stay on his feet. He also can’t just drop these players as we don’t have decent replacements (also the fault of the previous manager)!

So yes, stick behind UE and give him a chance, let him bring a few more players of his choice in and see what happens. If after 2 years it doesn’t look much better then fine, hound him out. What’s 2 years when Wenger fucked us over for close to 15 years!!??

Agree TeeCee

Who is our best choice keeper - Leno (not much competition, I know)
Best defender - Sokratis
Best midfielder - Torreira

We are moving in the right direction, but frustratingly slowly, most games you would be hard pressed to notice much, if any difference between the current team and the last few years under Wenker.
It will take time to create a different way of playing and mentality that was ingrained in the whole squad / club.

If Dick gets 4th place, it would be his greatest ever achievement
Realistically 5th or 6th was our expected return this season.

A proper summer clear out and transfer window will tell us a lot.

Agreed, also there must be at least 3 - 4 young players coming through the ranks that are ready to be part of the first team squad?

[northbank123]

Fuck me any danger of a tiny bit of perspective here?

We got 63 points last year and let’s be honest things were only going to get worse under him. That was with Wenger spending well north of 100m last season and selling Sanchez whilst looking worse as the season went on. This year would have been even worse if he’d stayed.

We had 70m to spend, which in money day terms literally buys you a Lukaku or an unproven keeper if you’re Chelsea. We had 70m to rebuild the entire squad which had at a generous estimate 5 or 6 players capable of being in a squad challenging for top 4 (squad, not team).

We are currently on for 74/75 points this year. We were before today in 4th for fucks sake, ahead of the Chelsea team that won the league the season before last and a United team that has the best keeper in the world and last week brought Rashford and Martial off the bench against us. Our first choice defence is mid-table, never mind the fact that they’ve been dropping like flies all season including having to bring subs on every game due to injuries.

Not saying that Emery is faultless and the failure to improve the defence is really disappointing (if understandable), but fuck me what did people actually expect?

[northbank123]

Quick question - if we are on for 75 points this year and supposedly Emery has been a massive disappointment, who out there would have had us closer to the 85 point mark?

We haven’t got 80 points in the last decade by the way. Even when we had good players and not Iwobi, Cech, Mustafi, Xhaka and Mkhitaryan all being regular starters.

[Bradywasking]

I believe Emery should be given every chance and what he inherited must be factored in to the equation. But..but but he cannot get a free pass on his selections..Iwobi continuing to get game time.Cech a "cup goalkeeper " are two prime examples..There are better alternatives than both.

[augie]

I believe Emery should be given every chance and what he inherited must be factored in to the equation. But..but but he cannot get a free pass on his selections..Iwobi continuing to get game time.Cech a "cup goalkeeper " are two prime examples..There are better alternatives than both.

100% agree on cech point, and there is no-one (and I mean no-one) more critical of iwobi than I am, but I will say that some of emery's team selections are forced by injuries/player availability etc. Yesterday for example, most Gooners were calling for a defensive set-up and that is what dick went with - now when you look at the options available on the bench yesterday, can we say that there is any stand out option that would be better to play on the wing ? I said yesterday that I would have gone with ramsey if I was picking the team, but that was if we were playing him in the 10 behind a front 2 and not on the wing

The part where I would criticise dick slightly for yesterday is that I always believe that the formation and system a manager goes with should suit the players and not the other way round

[DB10GOONER]

That's shockingly harsh imo - if we are to believe that he is picking the players, then nobody could call torreira, sokratis, the dozi or lichsteiner as lightweight. Also, telling a manager that he has ZERO money to spend this month, and then expecting him to have a choice of players is unrealistic - it would be damn hard to find players available for loan, are of the required level, and are big physical powerhouses.
If he has no part of picking the players we buy, then he cant be blamed at all

How is that by any stretch of the imagination "shockingly harsh"? Have you gone full snowflake buddy? Are we gonna have to set up a Facebook page and a gofundme thing to help you through your trauma here? Or did you just fuck the quoting pooch and meant to respond to Lefty's post rather than mine?

Leave me out of it littlin, Augie pm'd me after his post and clarified that it was your post he was whinging about and he'd fucked up his post by including my post because your post was shit, how many posts can you get in one post

Wow you Ewoks have gotten aggressive since they left you out of the last couple of Star Wars movies huh?

What's more amazing is that you can still get that belly in the R2D2

Wait there ankle biter. Belly? No no no not on your tiny tubby little legs are you going with that one! I'm proper built. Not an ounce of body fat mate. Football training twice a week (and playing) plus two sessions of Cross HIIT training and a KB class each week see to that. Straight up wee man I'm fighting fit and its seriously hard work staying this fit in your late 40s but I fucking love it.