Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[SteveO 35]

Whatever you think of him you have to give Arteta credit for having the balls to get rid of Ozil. I don't think he would have gone if he had registered him and played him in the euro Cup, not many managers would have done that.
I just hope he's as ruthless in the summer , at least 3 of our deadwood have gone this month a promising start.

It was arteta that brought him back into the team in the first place ffs

Every new manager uses the players they have to start with then those not buying into their ideas quickly are dropped.

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

One thing he sure as hell did was restore Xhaka, and actually in certain Europa League games made the c.unt captain as well. When I think of the outrage on here when people thought Emery was going to do that (but didn't), I'm amazed that particular stick isn't used to beat the manager with time and time again

I don't agree with 265 I'm afraid - in this day and age when managers are supposed to have a dossier on every single player, and every minute of every match is available to watch, he should have known how fucking shit Xhaka was. He certainly did that with Sokratis and Ozil quickly enough, and other managers have done it too (Maureen with Dele Alli for example).

[gooner265]

Whatever you think of him you have to give Arteta credit for having the balls to get rid of Ozil. I don't think he would have gone if he had registered him and played him in the euro Cup, not many managers would have done that.
I just hope he's as ruthless in the summer , at least 3 of our deadwood have gone this month a promising start.

It was arteta that brought him back into the team in the first place ffs

Every new manager uses the players they have to start with then those not buying into their ideas quickly are dropped.

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

So you think Arteta was overuled and told to drop him from the squad completely against his will?
I suppose we will never know the truth but I believe it was the fact he was just a lazy disinterested shit the same as he was with Emery and Freddie, unfortunately Emery made himself look when he brought him back in the squad and was no going back from there.
As for Xhaka , totally agree , I cannot for the life see what he sees on him and would have preferred he persevered with Guendozi.

[gooner265]

Bro, you have been the most unselfish player on and off the pitch, I have ever shared the dressing room with. You will be always remembered as the #AssistKing. Unfortunately we as a team haven’t been able to assist you when you needed us the most. All the best #SM20 https://t.co/gEfl6AWzZj

Mustafi needs to fucked off ASAP after this tweet as well.

[augie]

Bro, you have been the most unselfish player on and off the pitch, I have ever shared the dressing room with. You will be always remembered as the #AssistKing. Unfortunately we as a team haven’t been able to assist you when you needed us the most. All the best #SM20 https://t.co/gEfl6AWzZj

Mustafi needs to fucked off ASAP after this tweet as well.

Tbf to mustafi, he was spending so much time helping the opposition attackers that he had no time left to assist ozil

[Redarmy]

Arteta talking about Xaha...

“After the red card and with the history that he had, he was in a difficult place and we had to try and bring him back where we believe he can be and where he should be – which is being one of the leaders of the team and giving us stability and the presence he can provide to the team and to the club," Arteta said.
“I think since he’s been back he’s been phenomenal; he’s playing really, really well.

[gooner265]

Arteta talking about Xaha...

“After the red card and with the history that he had, he was in a difficult place and we had to try and bring him back where we believe he can be and where he should be – which is being one of the leaders of the team and giving us stability and the presence he can provide to the team and to the club," Arteta said.
“I think since he’s been back he’s been phenomenal; he’s playing really, really well.

Jesus wept

[SteveO 35]

Arteta talking about Xaha...

“After the red card and with the history that he had, he was in a difficult place and we had to try and bring him back where we believe he can be and where he should be – which is being one of the leaders of the team and giving us stability and the presence he can provide to the team and to the club," Arteta said.
“I think since he’s been back he’s been phenomenal; he’s playing really, really well.

That sums it up doesn't it - phenomenal. Fuck me - I just curled out a more phenomenal turd today that anything that mong has produced

As for the Mustafi tweet shown above - proves my point again. Why persist with a spaz like that who has had 100 chances to prove himself ahead of a younger player. We're honestly saying he is worthy of a squad spot ahead of Saliba? Or a decent young kid currently being farmed out on loan somewhere?

Before anyone misinterprets this and says I'm advocating playing 11 nippers all at once - I'm not. What I'm saying is that I'd rather give 15-20 subs opportunities, and Europa League and EFL Cup games to players like this, than I would a single minute playing fucktards like Cedric, Mustafi, the Swiss Mong and anyone else who has had 50-150 opportunities to prove themselves and continuously fucked up

[DB10GOONER]

Whatever you think of him you have to give Arteta credit for having the balls to get rid of Ozil. I don't think he would have gone if he had registered him and played him in the euro Cup, not many managers would have done that.
I just hope he's as ruthless in the summer , at least 3 of our deadwood have gone this month a promising start.

It was arteta that brought him back into the team in the first place ffs

Every new manager uses the players they have to start with then those not buying into their ideas quickly are dropped.

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

One thing he sure as hell did was restore Xhaka, and actually in certain Europa League games made the c.unt captain as well. When I think of the outrage on here when people thought Emery was going to do that (but didn't), I'm amazed that particular stick isn't used to beat the manager with time and time again

I don't agree with 265 I'm afraid - in this day and age when managers are supposed to have a dossier on every single player, and every minute of every match is available to watch, he should have known how fucking shit Xhaka was. He certainly did that with Sokratis and Ozil quickly enough, and other managers have done it too (Maureen with Dele Alli for example).

Emery restored Xhakatard. It's a myth he was getting rid of him. We've been through this myth a million times. Emery brought him back.

Before anyone tries to twist that - yes Arteta is an idiot as well for continuing with the donkey cùnt.... but it was Emery brought him back in.

[Clummo99]

It was arteta that brought him back into the team in the first place ffs

Every new manager uses the players they have to start with then those not buying into their ideas quickly are dropped.

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

One thing he sure as hell did was restore Xhaka, and actually in certain Europa League games made the c.unt captain as well. When I think of the outrage on here when people thought Emery was going to do that (but didn't), I'm amazed that particular stick isn't used to beat the manager with time and time again

I don't agree with 265 I'm afraid - in this day and age when managers are supposed to have a dossier on every single player, and every minute of every match is available to watch, he should have known how fucking shit Xhaka was. He certainly did that with Sokratis and Ozil quickly enough, and other managers have done it too (Maureen with Dele Alli for example).

Emery restored Xhakatard. It's a myth he was getting rid of him. We've been through this myth a million times. Emery brought him back.

Before anyone tries to twist that - yes Arteta is an idiot as well for continuing with the donkey cùnt.... but it was Emery brought him back in.

Yep 100% correct. Emery showed weakness with Xhaka from the start. Should have been much harder on him following the "Fuck Off" to the fans and then eventually restored him to the team.

Some can't see beyond their bias and create their own version of history.

[SteveO 35]

It was arteta that brought him back into the team in the first place ffs

Every new manager uses the players they have to start with then those not buying into their ideas quickly are dropped.

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

One thing he sure as hell did was restore Xhaka, and actually in certain Europa League games made the c.unt captain as well. When I think of the outrage on here when people thought Emery was going to do that (but didn't), I'm amazed that particular stick isn't used to beat the manager with time and time again

I don't agree with 265 I'm afraid - in this day and age when managers are supposed to have a dossier on every single player, and every minute of every match is available to watch, he should have known how fucking shit Xhaka was. He certainly did that with Sokratis and Ozil quickly enough, and other managers have done it too (Maureen with Dele Alli for example).

Emery restored Xhakatard. It's a myth he was getting rid of him. We've been through this myth a million times. Emery brought him back.

Before anyone tries to twist that - yes Arteta is an idiot as well for continuing with the donkey cùnt.... but it was Emery brought him back in.

Emery had six games after the Swiss Mong got subbed against Palace and told us all to fuck off

Xhaka didn't play in any of the first five after that and eventually got a run out in the Thursday Night Cup, and was sacked a day later

If that's your idea of 'restored' i.e. played for one game in the reserve/kids cup having previously been captain, then you're just proving some silly point of being anti-Emery. Bit different to Arteta going on about his phenomenal form and having him as a virtual ever present

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Fuckin hell

Thats all

[Clummo99]

Every new manager uses the players they have to start with then those not buying into their ideas quickly are dropped.

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

One thing he sure as hell did was restore Xhaka, and actually in certain Europa League games made the c.unt captain as well. When I think of the outrage on here when people thought Emery was going to do that (but didn't), I'm amazed that particular stick isn't used to beat the manager with time and time again

I don't agree with 265 I'm afraid - in this day and age when managers are supposed to have a dossier on every single player, and every minute of every match is available to watch, he should have known how fucking shit Xhaka was. He certainly did that with Sokratis and Ozil quickly enough, and other managers have done it too (Maureen with Dele Alli for example).

Emery restored Xhakatard. It's a myth he was getting rid of him. We've been through this myth a million times. Emery brought him back.

Before anyone tries to twist that - yes Arteta is an idiot as well for continuing with the donkey cùnt.... but it was Emery brought him back in.

Emery had six games after the Swiss Mong got subbed against Palace and told us all to fuck off

Xhaka didn't play in any of the first five after that and eventually got a run out in the Thursday Night Cup, and was sacked a day later

If that's your idea of 'restored' i.e. played for one game in the reserve/kids cup having previously been captain, then you're just proving some silly point of being anti-Emery. Bit different to Arteta going on about his phenomenal form and having him as a virtual ever present

Stevo one first team game restored is enough. Xhaka shouldn't have been anywhere near the first team squad after that incident, let alone even being picked for a Thursday night Cup game.

[SteveO 35]

Let's be honest here and call it as it was ......... ozil was ousted after he refused to take a pay cut and everyone knows it. Arteta came in full in the knowledge that there was a crew of older players that undermined emery (rightly or wrongly) and he decided to kiss their arses early to get them back onside. I dont give arteta credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, and anyway I suspect that it was the people above him who had enough of him with the pay cut refusal coming not long after the china fiasco

One thing he sure as hell did was restore Xhaka, and actually in certain Europa League games made the c.unt captain as well. When I think of the outrage on here when people thought Emery was going to do that (but didn't), I'm amazed that particular stick isn't used to beat the manager with time and time again

I don't agree with 265 I'm afraid - in this day and age when managers are supposed to have a dossier on every single player, and every minute of every match is available to watch, he should have known how fucking shit Xhaka was. He certainly did that with Sokratis and Ozil quickly enough, and other managers have done it too (Maureen with Dele Alli for example).

Emery restored Xhakatard. It's a myth he was getting rid of him. We've been through this myth a million times. Emery brought him back.

Before anyone tries to twist that - yes Arteta is an idiot as well for continuing with the donkey cùnt.... but it was Emery brought him back in.

Emery had six games after the Swiss Mong got subbed against Palace and told us all to fuck off

Xhaka didn't play in any of the first five after that and eventually got a run out in the Thursday Night Cup, and was sacked a day later

If that's your idea of 'restored' i.e. played for one game in the reserve/kids cup having previously been captain, then you're just proving some silly point of being anti-Emery. Bit different to Arteta going on about his phenomenal form and having him as a virtual ever present

Stevo one first team game restored is enough. Xhaka shouldn't have been anywhere near the first team squad after that incident, let alone even being picked for a Thursday night Cup game.

Believe me, I was as fucked off as anyone to see that cock wear the shirt again - but surely you'd say that having him as a regular starter (and occasional captain) is a worse situation than having had him play one EL game and lined up for a loan move in January?

[Clummo99]

I'm not adding any more to that quote tower.

The thing is, as you say, Emery was sacked shortly after the Turd's first game back so we will never know if he would have been fully welcomed back if Dick had stayed. And judging by how all the other loan out deals have gone recently we can't say with any certainty that the Turd would have moved either.

The most salient point imo is that Emery brought him back in.

[DB10GOONER]

Emery restored Xhakatard. It's a myth he was getting rid of him. We've been through this myth a million times. Emery brought him back.

Before anyone tries to twist that - yes Arteta is an idiot as well for continuing with the donkey cùnt.... but it was Emery brought him back in.

Emery had six games after the Swiss Mong got subbed against Palace and told us all to fuck off

Xhaka didn't play in any of the first five after that and eventually got a run out in the Thursday Night Cup, and was sacked a day later

If that's your idea of 'restored' i.e. played for one game in the reserve/kids cup having previously been captain, then you're just proving some silly point of being anti-Emery. Bit different to Arteta going on about his phenomenal form and having him as a virtual ever present

It is my idea of restored. Absolutely. I can't see how anyone can claim different.

Xhakatard didn't play in those first five games because Emery claimed poor little Granit was "upset".

Here's the crux of the question: did Xhakatard get selected to play by Emery and then play under Emery at a time after the "fuck off" debacle when any right thinking Arsenal fan wanted the prick gone from the club? Yes he did.

My point was you said Emery didn't bring Xhakatard back. You said Arteta did. The truth however is that Emery brought him back. There is no way round that. The truth is always the truth.

I also don't think we can dismiss Emerys decision to bring Xhakatard back for that game as a one off. To play that one game means that Emery "restored" Xhakatard or "brought him back" effectively maybe a week before that game. He would have trained with the first team, he would have attended meetings on formation and tactics etc.

It wasn't a case of Emery just told him on the day "you are playing tonight because I'm stuck". Emery said himself he had numerous conversations with Xhakatard about what happened after the night he told us all to fuck off.

That showed weakness by Emery. We are not talking about a manager reconciling a player after a dodgy night out at a night club or something. We are talking about a manager bringing back a player who told the clubs fans to fuck off.

I really don't know what your obsession with Emery is mate. It's getting like your previous obsession on here with Diaby.

And to say I'm trying to make some "silly" point of being anti-Emery is insulting tbh. Why would I do that? I liked the man from the minute he walked in wearing the club tie. I've never stated anything against the man apart from my strong belief he wasn't up to the job. He wasn't. It's a pity, absolutely, but it is the truth. I'm not sure why you seem to take that so personally.