CoronaVirus / Adolf Putin / The Apocalypse etc

[DB10GOONER]

Alright lads. Let's not turn this into another Brexit thread. Please can you all just respect each others opinions? No matter how fucking stupid they are.

[Clummo99]

It's not me sir, it's him.

[DB10GOONER]

It's not me sir, it's him.

[OneBardGooner]

The last few comments on here really does show what a bunch of ignorant fucking morons there are in this country.

Ok so you get to choose - so what?
No one knows right now exactly which is best so I will have whatever is given to me.
However that is not the point. Clinical trials of ALL vaccines must show that they are safe and effective before any vaccine can be authorised or approved for use. This is the case with both vaccines available here in the UK.

Not only are you protecting yourself by having the vaccine it is highly likely that the more people that take it the less transmissible the virus becomes. You are therefore protecting others by having the vaccine.

Vaccinations have a greater effect on a population if the majority of people have undergone it.
The more people don’t have the vaccine the more likely it is to flare up again in the future.

So stop fuckng around, shut up and just take it.
The more you argue the stupider you look. No one on here has come up with any reason why if offered the vaccine tomorrow you should not take it.

Embarrassing yourself now. Stop digging mate.

"No one on here has come up with any reason why if offered the vaccine tomorrow you should not take it"

I think you'll find that did exactly this when I said my GP and Consultant both advised the Oxford vaccine over Pfizer for me.

Do you expect me to have the Pfizer as a preference even though there's an outside risk of it doing me harm and all I have to do is wait until my surgery has the Oxford in stock. What fool would do that?

There will be people out there that Pfizer is the safer option for them.

There will also be people out there that neither options available atm are suitable.

What do you expect them to do? Have the jab anyway and fuck it if it makes them ill or even kills them!

You had the same stubborn and blinkered attitude when we discussed that people are the main problem. You insisted that the fault was with the Government, that laws aren't tough enough or enforced.

Check the weekend news from Manchester. Fines issued to people holding parties, weddings, birthday gatherings. Even an office party for someone's retirement!!!!

And one final point. Clinical trials tend to last a couple of years before any medication is approved. Not a couple of months as is the case with these vaccines.

You are the only one embarrassing yourself.
You are lucky to have the choice of a vaccine.
If there was only the Pfizer one available he would advise you to take it.

In a global pandemic you don’t sit back and wait for one tailored to your specific requirements.
In any case anyone with health problems will likely need an Autumn booster anyway.

You are a conspiracy theorist nut job hiding behind a computer who does not have a clue what they are taking about.

Steady On GR it's only a tiny feckin' virus...

[OneBardGooner]

Oh piss off mate. Who's acting like a spoilt toddler?

My decision is WHICH vaccination to have. And I'd very happily swap my medical conditions for a longer wait for a jab.

Another clueless cùnt on here. FFS!

You don’t get to make a decision
You just get to take it.

What I can’t stand is you anti vacs nut jobs who think they know better than the scientists.

Ohh yes you do. Have you been through this process Rob?

Basically theres a NHS Online portal and there will also be a local hub set up by GP surgeries, you can ring up your GP and find out which jabs they are administering, When I looked at online bookings, the local pharmacies administer AstraZenaca. Its not hard to figure that out. I mean how many chemists will have fridges that can store the Pfizer vaccine at -70c. This theory was backed up by making a few phone calls.

So in my case as soon as I knew my GP was administering Pfizer, I waited for a text message and took up my appointment.

What interests me is what Clummo’s preference is and why, I took Pfizer because its efficacy 3 weeks after the first jab is 90%. It starts to wane after that, but its much higher than AZN.

Without getting technical (cos I barely understood it myself ) there's a component in the Pfizer vaccine that could cause me problems. I've had bad reactions in the past to a few jabs. The major one was a penicillin injection when I was 3yo that I almost died from. Needless to say I now err on the side of being overly cautious.

Fuck off, I'm not having that, you said you were Albert Einstein earlier in this thread.

So are you Albert Einstein or not

Yup! This is Clummo....

[nut flush gooner]

Alright lads. Let's not turn this into another Brexit thread. Please can you all just respect each others opinions? No matter how fucking stupid they are.

Ignoramus is quite a polite word compared with some of the dark days on the Brexit thread.

[Clummo99]

You don’t get to make a decision
You just get to take it.

What I can’t stand is you anti vacs nut jobs who think they know better than the scientists.

Ohh yes you do. Have you been through this process Rob?

Basically theres a NHS Online portal and there will also be a local hub set up by GP surgeries, you can ring up your GP and find out which jabs they are administering, When I looked at online bookings, the local pharmacies administer AstraZenaca. Its not hard to figure that out. I mean how many chemists will have fridges that can store the Pfizer vaccine at -70c. This theory was backed up by making a few phone calls.

So in my case as soon as I knew my GP was administering Pfizer, I waited for a text message and took up my appointment.

What interests me is what Clummo’s preference is and why, I took Pfizer because its efficacy 3 weeks after the first jab is 90%. It starts to wane after that, but its much higher than AZN.

Without getting technical (cos I barely understood it myself ) there's a component in the Pfizer vaccine that could cause me problems. I've had bad reactions in the past to a few jabs. The major one was a penicillin injection when I was 3yo that I almost died from. Needless to say I now err on the side of being overly cautious.

Fuck off, I'm not having that, you said you were Albert Einstein earlier in this thread.

So are you Albert Einstein or not

Yup! This is Clummo....

I can only dream of having hair like that anymore!

[Gunner Rob]

The last few comments on here really does show what a bunch of ignorant fucking morons there are in this country.

Ok so you get to choose - so what?
No one knows right now exactly which is best so I will have whatever is given to me.
However that is not the point. Clinical trials of ALL vaccines must show that they are safe and effective before any vaccine can be authorised or approved for use. This is the case with both vaccines available here in the UK.

Not only are you protecting yourself by having the vaccine it is highly likely that the more people that take it the less transmissible the virus becomes. You are therefore protecting others by having the vaccine.

Vaccinations have a greater effect on a population if the majority of people have undergone it.
The more people don’t have the vaccine the more likely it is to flare up again in the future.

So stop fuckng around, shut up and just take it.
The more you argue the stupider you look. No one on here has come up with any reason why if offered the vaccine tomorrow you should not take it.

Why is it every time you comment on something that isn't Arsenal related you come across as a bit of an ignoramus, Rob?

You make a sweeping comment about how people can't have the jab of their choice and are proven wrong not only once but twice in the same thread.

And then without knowing what the underlying medical conditions people have, again make another sweeping statement over which vaccine is most suitable for each individual. I cannot speak for Clummo, but I spoke to a Nurse specialist before I was vaccinated and based on her knowledge and research I had done we both came to the conclusion that Pfizer's mRNA technology and efficacy would give my compromised immunity the best chance of creating antibodies/T Cells if I ever contracted COVID.

The whole concept of protecting others is a bit of a sideshow tbh, because at this stage the scientists are only over the last few days discovering if it prevents transmission. Early indications are they do which is great news.

I am stating clear facts about vaccinations.
As I said before which vaccine you have is irrelevant.

It doesn’t matter what underlying medical conditions people have - if they are offered the vaccine it means they can and should take it.
Protecting others is not a sideshow - it is a key part of the strategy here in the UK. It is why so many people are being given the first jab and then having to wait 12 weeks for round 2.

Another potentially dangerous new variant of COVID was found here today.
New strains will keep arising and the only way to slow them is through immunisation (restricted travel would also help but the government is reluctant to do much on this)

[Clummo99]

Of course underlying medical conditions matter, how can you say otherwise and expect to be taken seriously?

I'm assuming, though obviously I may be wrong, that you are in general good health?

[A11M11]

A lot of the long term development of these vaccines was done with the development of the sars and mers vaccines.
Just as they can be tweaked to adapt to new variants they were adapted to Covid 19.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

You don’t get to make a decision
You just get to take it.

What I can’t stand is you anti vacs nut jobs who think they know better than the scientists.

Ohh yes you do. Have you been through this process Rob?

Basically theres a NHS Online portal and there will also be a local hub set up by GP surgeries, you can ring up your GP and find out which jabs they are administering, When I looked at online bookings, the local pharmacies administer AstraZenaca. Its not hard to figure that out. I mean how many chemists will have fridges that can store the Pfizer vaccine at -70c. This theory was backed up by making a few phone calls.

So in my case as soon as I knew my GP was administering Pfizer, I waited for a text message and took up my appointment.

What interests me is what Clummo’s preference is and why, I took Pfizer because its efficacy 3 weeks after the first jab is 90%. It starts to wane after that, but its much higher than AZN.

Without getting technical (cos I barely understood it myself ) there's a component in the Pfizer vaccine that could cause me problems. I've had bad reactions in the past to a few jabs. The major one was a penicillin injection when I was 3yo that I almost died from. Needless to say I now err on the side of being overly cautious.

Fuck off, I'm not having that, you said you were Albert Einstein earlier in this thread.

So are you Albert Einstein or not

Almost Lefty, I said almost.

[Gunner Rob]

Of course underlying medical conditions matter, how can you say otherwise and expect to be taken seriously?

I'm assuming, though obviously I may be wrong, that you are in general good health?

You never take in what I am saying.
Yes of course underlying medical conditions matter but what I was saying is if you are told that you are ok to take the jab you should take it.

[nut flush gooner]

The last few comments on here really does show what a bunch of ignorant fucking morons there are in this country.

Ok so you get to choose - so what?
No one knows right now exactly which is best so I will have whatever is given to me.
However that is not the point. Clinical trials of ALL vaccines must show that they are safe and effective before any vaccine can be authorised or approved for use. This is the case with both vaccines available here in the UK.

Not only are you protecting yourself by having the vaccine it is highly likely that the more people that take it the less transmissible the virus becomes. You are therefore protecting others by having the vaccine.

Vaccinations have a greater effect on a population if the majority of people have undergone it.
The more people don’t have the vaccine the more likely it is to flare up again in the future.

So stop fuckng around, shut up and just take it.
The more you argue the stupider you look. No one on here has come up with any reason why if offered the vaccine tomorrow you should not take it.

Why is it every time you comment on something that isn't Arsenal related you come across as a bit of an ignoramus, Rob?

You make a sweeping comment about how people can't have the jab of their choice and are proven wrong not only once but twice in the same thread.

And then without knowing what the underlying medical conditions people have, again make another sweeping statement over which vaccine is most suitable for each individual. I cannot speak for Clummo, but I spoke to a Nurse specialist before I was vaccinated and based on her knowledge and research I had done we both came to the conclusion that Pfizer's mRNA technology and efficacy would give my compromised immunity the best chance of creating antibodies/T Cells if I ever contracted COVID.

The whole concept of protecting others is a bit of a sideshow tbh, because at this stage the scientists are only over the last few days discovering if it prevents transmission. Early indications are they do which is great news.

I am stating clear facts about vaccinations.
As I said before which vaccine you have is irrelevant.

It doesn’t matter what underlying medical conditions people have - if they are offered the vaccine it means they can and should take it.
Protecting others is not a sideshow - it is a key part of the strategy here in the UK. It is why so many people are being given the first jab and then having to wait 12 weeks for round 2.

Another potentially dangerous new variant of COVID was found here today.
New strains will keep arising and the only way to slow them is through immunisation (restricted travel would also help but the government is reluctant to do much on this)

And you are wrong again. Public Health guidance is broad-brush it's not specific to individual circumstances.

If I took you to a Casino and said here's two roulette tables. One of them offers you a 70% chance of making a profit the other one offers 94% which would you play on?

There is a reason why other countries have not recommended AZNs use in older people, it's all down to the efficacy. So what do we do, go by statistical facts and take the advice of our clinicians.

Fortunately, Rob, you are not the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, because if that was possible we may well have found a worse candidate than our pal Mr Hancock.

[augie]

The last few comments on here really does show what a bunch of ignorant fucking morons there are in this country.

Ok so you get to choose - so what?
No one knows right now exactly which is best so I will have whatever is given to me.
However that is not the point. Clinical trials of ALL vaccines must show that they are safe and effective before any vaccine can be authorised or approved for use. This is the case with both vaccines available here in the UK.

Not only are you protecting yourself by having the vaccine it is highly likely that the more people that take it the less transmissible the virus becomes. You are therefore protecting others by having the vaccine.

Vaccinations have a greater effect on a population if the majority of people have undergone it.
The more people don’t have the vaccine the more likely it is to flare up again in the future.

So stop fuckng around, shut up and just take it.
The more you argue the stupider you look. No one on here has come up with any reason why if offered the vaccine tomorrow you should not take it.

Over here we have been saying that about ye for years

[augie]

The last few comments on here really does show what a bunch of ignorant fucking morons there are in this country.

Ok so you get to choose - so what?
No one knows right now exactly which is best so I will have whatever is given to me.
However that is not the point. Clinical trials of ALL vaccines must show that they are safe and effective before any vaccine can be authorised or approved for use. This is the case with both vaccines available here in the UK.

Not only are you protecting yourself by having the vaccine it is highly likely that the more people that take it the less transmissible the virus becomes. You are therefore protecting others by having the vaccine.

Vaccinations have a greater effect on a population if the majority of people have undergone it.
The more people don’t have the vaccine the more likely it is to flare up again in the future.

So stop fuckng around, shut up and just take it.
The more you argue the stupider you look. No one on here has come up with any reason why if offered the vaccine tomorrow you should not take it.

Why is it every time you comment on something that isn't Arsenal related you come across as a bit of an ignoramus, Rob?

You make a sweeping comment about how people can't have the jab of their choice and are proven wrong not only once but twice in the same thread.

And then without knowing what the underlying medical conditions people have, again make another sweeping statement over which vaccine is most suitable for each individual. I cannot speak for Clummo, but I spoke to a Nurse specialist before I was vaccinated and based on her knowledge and research I had done we both came to the conclusion that Pfizer's mRNA technology and efficacy would give my compromised immunity the best chance of creating antibodies/T Cells if I ever contracted COVID.

The whole concept of protecting others is a bit of a sideshow tbh, because at this stage the scientists are only over the last few days discovering if it prevents transmission. Early indications are they do which is great news.

I am stating clear facts about vaccinations.
As I said before which vaccine you have is irrelevant.

It doesn’t matter what underlying medical conditions people have - if they are offered the vaccine it means they can and should take it.
Protecting others is not a sideshow - it is a key part of the strategy here in the UK. It is why so many people are being given the first jab and then having to wait 12 weeks for round 2.

Another potentially dangerous new variant of COVID was found here today.
New strains will keep arising and the only way to slow them is through immunisation (restricted travel would also help but the government is reluctant to do much on this)

And you are wrong again. Public Health guidance is broad-brush it's not specific to individual circumstances.

If I took you to a Casino and said here's two roulette tables. One of them offers you a 70% chance of making a profit the other one offers 94% which would you play on?

There is a reason why other countries have not recommended AZNs use in older people, it's all down to the efficacy. So what do we do, go by statistical facts and take the advice of our clinicians.

Fortunately, Rob, you are not the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, because if that was possible we may well have found a worse candidate than our pal Mr Hancock.

Neither cos both are set up to take my money from me. Ah I see the point you are making now - you are suggesting that the pharmaceutical companies are like the casino's - playing russian roulette with people just for their own profits

Make sense now alright