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nut flush gooner wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 9:48 am
SteveO 35 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 8:32 am
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:05 pm
SteveO 35 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:44 am
Now down to 1,500 people in hospital in the UK, and 22m people live in areas that have reported zero COVID deaths in the month of April (as opposed to only 50,000 people in that category in January). Vaccine now open to all over 40s in England and Wales, over 35s in NI, over 45s in Scotland. 34m first vaccines given, no spike in infections since parts 1 and 2 of the roadmap to reopening.......

Get on with it and open the rest please
Why rush a process that appears to be working?

It's been over a year so a few more weeks shouldn't be a hardship.
Because every week that passes with supporting closed businesses is costing us billions - a burden that will be passed on to the 'squeezed middle' for generations to come, as this is now approaching war like debt levels.
I think we need to get a bit of perspective here Steve. There is a lot of pent-up demand in the UK economy. The Americans have thrown a lot more money at their economy than we have to the tune of $1.9trn and they have also put together a huge stimulus plan to get the economy going by focusing on infrastructure.

That's exactly what we should be doing rather than worrying about Pubs and Restaurants allowing people to sit indoors so they can make a few quid, The whole structure of the UK economy is wrong, it relies far too much on low paid low skilled jobs and that's why people are clamouring for the economy to reopen because there are many people dependent on these industries.

All the people I know that work in the professions ie Accountancy, Financial Services, Law, Technology says their firms have barely been touched by the pandemic. In fact, they are busier than ever.

Just look at the US stock market, it's hit new all-time highs on many occasions this year. There is a reason for that. My point is throwing money at an ailing economy hit by a pandemic doesn't have to prevent opportunities for the next generation if it's allocated in the correct way. The FT article explains my point.

https://www.ft.com/content/20096b0a-8a9 ... b15dc1704c
All very valid points well made, but we don't have a socialist government and won't be injecting the same levels of investment as Biden has. We are a service led economy and still have massive sectors closed down. I was in central London yesterday and most pubs are closed as they're unable to open for 'outside service only' and make it work economically.....so this is still a lockdown in all but name (certainly for the service sector) despite 1,500 in hospital with COVID. It was 'overwhelming the NHS' that was always listed as the main driver behind lockdown measures and COVID isn't even the biggest killer in the country right now. 22m people live in areas that reported zero deaths in April. How risk averse do we have to be to allow the sectors to open up?

Yesterday it was also being widely reported that as these businesses haven't been allowed to open up, that owners are now struggling to get staff recruited by 17 May, with a combination of this and Brexit seeing a lot of people who work in those low paid jobs return to their home country or take up alternative careers, The stuff we all value and cherish won't be there if we allow this to continue. There are also thousands of zombie companies being kept afloat by government subsidies that will collapse when they end - if that is inevitable then why delay that and waste billions on furlough knowing these companies will die anyway? Just seems to delay the inevitable - let them open safely now, and if they can't make the business model work then it will never work

It was heart breaking to see London on a Friday afternoon like a ghost town, with no visitors or tourists and pubs with their doors closed 'until further notice'.

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 10:02 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 9:48 am
SteveO 35 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 8:32 am
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:05 pm
SteveO 35 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:44 am
Now down to 1,500 people in hospital in the UK, and 22m people live in areas that have reported zero COVID deaths in the month of April (as opposed to only 50,000 people in that category in January). Vaccine now open to all over 40s in England and Wales, over 35s in NI, over 45s in Scotland. 34m first vaccines given, no spike in infections since parts 1 and 2 of the roadmap to reopening.......

Get on with it and open the rest please
Why rush a process that appears to be working?

It's been over a year so a few more weeks shouldn't be a hardship.
Because every week that passes with supporting closed businesses is costing us billions - a burden that will be passed on to the 'squeezed middle' for generations to come, as this is now approaching war like debt levels.
I think we need to get a bit of perspective here Steve. There is a lot of pent-up demand in the UK economy. The Americans have thrown a lot more money at their economy than we have to the tune of $1.9trn and they have also put together a huge stimulus plan to get the economy going by focusing on infrastructure.

That's exactly what we should be doing rather than worrying about Pubs and Restaurants allowing people to sit indoors so they can make a few quid, The whole structure of the UK economy is wrong, it relies far too much on low paid low skilled jobs and that's why people are clamouring for the economy to reopen because there are many people dependent on these industries.

All the people I know that work in the professions ie Accountancy, Financial Services, Law, Technology says their firms have barely been touched by the pandemic. In fact, they are busier than ever.

Just look at the US stock market, it's hit new all-time highs on many occasions this year. There is a reason for that. My point is throwing money at an ailing economy hit by a pandemic doesn't have to prevent opportunities for the next generation if it's allocated in the correct way. The FT article explains my point.

https://www.ft.com/content/20096b0a-8a9 ... b15dc1704c
All very valid points well made, but we don't have a socialist government and won't be injecting the same levels of investment as Biden has. We are a service led economy and still have massive sectors closed down. I was in central London yesterday and most pubs are closed as they're unable to open for 'outside service only' and make it work economically.....so this is still a lockdown in all but name (certainly for the service sector) despite 1,500 in hospital with COVID. It was 'overwhelming the NHS' that was always listed as the main driver behind lockdown measures and COVID isn't even the biggest killer in the country right now. 22m people live in areas that reported zero deaths in April. How risk averse do we have to be to allow the sectors to open up?

Yesterday it was also being widely reported that as these businesses haven't been allowed to open up, that owners are now struggling to get staff recruited by 17 May, with a combination of this and Brexit seeing a lot of people who work in those low paid jobs return to their home country or take up alternative careers, The stuff we all value and cherish won't be there if we allow this to continue. There are also thousands of zombie companies being kept afloat by government subsidies that will collapse when they end - if that is inevitable then why delay that and waste billions on furlough knowing these companies will die anyway? Just seems to delay the inevitable - let them open safely now, and if they can't make the business model work then it will never work

It was heart breaking to see London on a Friday afternoon like a ghost town, with no visitors or tourists and pubs with their doors closed 'until further notice'.
Interesting reference to Biden being a socialist, by our standards he is quite a centrist tbh. The stock market (the ultimate capitalist gauge) generally doesn't like excessive government spending and yet before the stimulus package was put through every time there was resistance in congress the markets tanked. Biden isn't as left-wing as someone like Bernie Sanders, and that's why the markets have responded well to his presidency so far. Plus the Americans like us in the UK have had a successful vaccine rollout.

Biden also gave every American citizen a stimulus cheque (regardless of whether they are working or not) for the sum of $1,400 which is boosting the economy to levels we could only dream of.

With regards to Central London. It's changed forever I am afraid. There are hundreds of thousands of office workers who after sampling working from home over the last year, have with their employer's permission begun a transition that sees them home-based for more of the week than in the office. This will save companies millions in office rent and give them more contented productive employees. People have also decided that they don't want to live in London anymore and moved out of the capital.

Pubs aren't and shouldn't be seen as the cornerstone of our economy. As I said in another post, I go to the pub before Arsenal games and on special occasions now plus maybe the odd time when I think fuck it, let's take the family out for a roast lunch in a nice pub in the outskirts of London or somewhere like Hertfordshire. It's a liberty to expect anyone to pay £7 a pint and then for the people who pull those pints to be paid £10 ph if that. Someone is getting rich out of it, I suspect it's the people who own the property rather than the pub landlords as we have seen with the problems at the Tollington Arms near the Emirates.

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nut flush gooner wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 10:37 am
SteveO 35 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 10:02 am
nut flush gooner wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 9:48 am
SteveO 35 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 8:32 am
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:05 pm


Why rush a process that appears to be working?

It's been over a year so a few more weeks shouldn't be a hardship.
Because every week that passes with supporting closed businesses is costing us billions - a burden that will be passed on to the 'squeezed middle' for generations to come, as this is now approaching war like debt levels.
I think we need to get a bit of perspective here Steve. There is a lot of pent-up demand in the UK economy. The Americans have thrown a lot more money at their economy than we have to the tune of $1.9trn and they have also put together a huge stimulus plan to get the economy going by focusing on infrastructure.

That's exactly what we should be doing rather than worrying about Pubs and Restaurants allowing people to sit indoors so they can make a few quid, The whole structure of the UK economy is wrong, it relies far too much on low paid low skilled jobs and that's why people are clamouring for the economy to reopen because there are many people dependent on these industries.

All the people I know that work in the professions ie Accountancy, Financial Services, Law, Technology says their firms have barely been touched by the pandemic. In fact, they are busier than ever.

Just look at the US stock market, it's hit new all-time highs on many occasions this year. There is a reason for that. My point is throwing money at an ailing economy hit by a pandemic doesn't have to prevent opportunities for the next generation if it's allocated in the correct way. The FT article explains my point.

https://www.ft.com/content/20096b0a-8a9 ... b15dc1704c
All very valid points well made, but we don't have a socialist government and won't be injecting the same levels of investment as Biden has. We are a service led economy and still have massive sectors closed down. I was in central London yesterday and most pubs are closed as they're unable to open for 'outside service only' and make it work economically.....so this is still a lockdown in all but name (certainly for the service sector) despite 1,500 in hospital with COVID. It was 'overwhelming the NHS' that was always listed as the main driver behind lockdown measures and COVID isn't even the biggest killer in the country right now. 22m people live in areas that reported zero deaths in April. How risk averse do we have to be to allow the sectors to open up?

Yesterday it was also being widely reported that as these businesses haven't been allowed to open up, that owners are now struggling to get staff recruited by 17 May, with a combination of this and Brexit seeing a lot of people who work in those low paid jobs return to their home country or take up alternative careers, The stuff we all value and cherish won't be there if we allow this to continue. There are also thousands of zombie companies being kept afloat by government subsidies that will collapse when they end - if that is inevitable then why delay that and waste billions on furlough knowing these companies will die anyway? Just seems to delay the inevitable - let them open safely now, and if they can't make the business model work then it will never work

It was heart breaking to see London on a Friday afternoon like a ghost town, with no visitors or tourists and pubs with their doors closed 'until further notice'.
Interesting reference to Biden being a socialist, by our standards he is quite a centrist tbh. The stock market (the ultimate capitalist gauge) generally doesn't like excessive government spending and yet before the stimulus package was put through every time there was resistance in congress the markets tanked. Biden isn't as left-wing as someone like Bernie Sanders, and that's why the markets have responded well to his presidency so far. Plus the Americans like us in the UK have had a successful vaccine rollout.

Biden also gave every American citizen a stimulus cheque (regardless of whether they are working or not) for the sum of $1,400 which is boosting the economy to levels we could only dream of.

With regards to Central London. It's changed forever I am afraid. There are hundreds of thousands of office workers who after sampling working from home over the last year, have with their employer's permission begun a transition that sees them home-based for more of the week than in the office. This will save companies millions in office rent and give them more contented productive employees. People have also decided that they don't want to live in London anymore and moved out of the capital.

Pubs aren't and shouldn't be seen as the cornerstone of our economy. As I said in another post, I go to the pub before Arsenal games and on special occasions now plus maybe the odd time when I think fuck it, let's take the family out for a roast lunch in a nice pub in the outskirts of London or somewhere like Hertfordshire. It's a liberty to expect anyone to pay £7 a pint and then for the people who pull those pints to be paid £10 ph if that. Someone is getting rich out of it, I suspect it's the people who own the property rather than the pub landlords as we have seen with the problems at the Tollington Arms near the Emirates.
I'm with you on pubs from a personal perspective - I rarely go. Its not just about pubs though, its the whole hospitality sector. Its people taking city breaks in London (either from overseas or elsewhere in this country) - theatres, restaurants, hotels etc. Such a massive source of income and withering away on the vine with every week that passes where they are closed. In my madness I went shopping with the missus two weeks ago and people are happy to dive bomb on each other in crapholes like Primark with absolutely zero social distancing being observed, but its not ok to sit on a table and be served by someone who comes to the table. I know which of those I'd feel safer with.

Flexible working will be a feature going forward, albeit less than 15% of companies have said they will have permanent home working, so whilst footfall will be down in offices in the city, when people are there they will expect places to eat, drink and entertain.

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Think that speaks more for the type of people that frequent Primark than anything else. :lol:

Apparently there was an hour long queue to get in at my nearest store the day they reopened.

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Clummo99 wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 1:12 pm
Think that speaks more for the type of people that frequent Primark than anything else. :lol:

Apparently there was an hour long queue to get in at my nearest store the day they reopened.
We went to Westfield Stratford, and it was the longest queue by far. Just can't see the appeal myself !

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Chavs love shopping at places such as Primark because not only is it cheap but ...... well yeah! It's Cheap ... I mean what better excuse do they need than It's cheap and by buying this shyte they can say they are helping support a family of 12 in Asia - where the 9yr old daughter and her 6yr old brother get to stitch on the labels and sleeves in a Sweat Shop for 20 hours a day and get to sleep under the work bench and drink free water.

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On a slightly different note, I'm enjoying, slime ball, opportunist, Starmer and Labour get their arses kicked!
Starmer played a political game with Covid all through the pandemic!
It's not worked!!! :barscarf:

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Got my 1st jab today, Pfizer,2nd jab due 4th June

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mcdowell42 wrote:
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Got my 1st jab today, Pfizer,2nd jab due 4th June
That's a very quick 2nd jab mate.

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Clummo99 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:01 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:56 pm
Got my 1st jab today, Pfizer,2nd jab due 4th June
That's a very quick 2nd jab mate.
Will be exactly 4 weeks ,I know with some of the other vaccines there's a longer gap between jabs other than that I'm clueless,and I'm only talking about vaccines

:wink: :lol:

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mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:11 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:01 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:56 pm
Got my 1st jab today, Pfizer,2nd jab due 4th June
That's a very quick 2nd jab mate.
Will be exactly 4 weeks ,I know with some of the other vaccines there's a longer gap between jabs other than that I'm clueless,and I'm only talking about vaccines

:wink: :lol:
I had my first Pfizer at the start of February. My second was yesterday, 12 weeks later! :lol:

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Clummo99 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:05 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:11 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:01 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:56 pm
Got my 1st jab today, Pfizer,2nd jab due 4th June
That's a very quick 2nd jab mate.
Will be exactly 4 weeks ,I know with some of the other vaccines there's a longer gap between jabs other than that I'm clueless,and I'm only talking about vaccines

:wink: :lol:
I had my first Pfizer at the start of February. My second was yesterday, 12 weeks later! :lol:
I had both doses in January... are we competing? :)

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Thynker wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 10:25 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:05 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:11 pm
Clummo99 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 7:01 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 4:56 pm
Got my 1st jab today, Pfizer,2nd jab due 4th June
That's a very quick 2nd jab mate.
Will be exactly 4 weeks ,I know with some of the other vaccines there's a longer gap between jabs other than that I'm clueless,and I'm only talking about vaccines

:wink: :lol:
I had my first Pfizer at the start of February. My second was yesterday, 12 weeks later! :lol:
I had both doses in January... are we competing? :)
No, was just noting the different timescales in different areas.

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goonersid wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 3:46 pm
On a slightly different note, I'm enjoying, slime ball, opportunist, Starmer and Labour get their arses kicked!
Starmer played a political game with Covid all through the pandemic!
It's not worked!!! :barscarf:
I’m not the biggest fan of Starner but I really don’t get the hate.
It is totally bizarre how thick northerners somehow think that old Etonian Boris Johnson will look after their interests rather than working class boy done good Keir Starner.

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Gunner Rob wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 6:23 am
goonersid wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 3:46 pm
On a slightly different note, I'm enjoying, slime ball, opportunist, Starmer and Labour get their arses kicked!
Starmer played a political game with Covid all through the pandemic!
It's not worked!!! :barscarf:
I’m not the biggest fan of Starner but I really don’t get the hate.
It is totally bizarre how thick northerners somehow think that old Etonian Boris Johnson will look after their interests rather than working class boy done good Keir Starner.
Absolutely spot on Rob. Do they not see the out and out corruption, lies, and bent contracts going to their mates? Not to mention Johnson’s payment to his prostitute, redecoration of his flat and the links to Putin’s cabal? Unbelievable in this day and age that we’re still governed by inbred, public school arseholes! Sad times.

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