If you are referring to the key metrics hospitalisations/deaths then I am afraid you are mistaken. In particular, for deaths per million population, our death rate is over double that of France, Italy and Germany.SteveO 35 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:01 amThere's a perception that they are doing better but the testing numbers in most of the EU are way below test figures here........when you look at the deaths per headcount there isn't much difference between us and the EU. In any event I agree about the masks and the passports -even the hospitality sector are saying they are happy for those measures to avoid much stricter lockdowns which threaten their very existencenut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:59 pmTheres a lot less people being hospitalised. But waning vaccine protection and a huge backlog of elective care threatens the NHS in a different way this winter.SteveO 35 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:11 pmI must admit that although I hated some of the over cautious stuff from months ago, I can't understand not rolling out vaccine passports or carrying on with mask wearing in indoor public settings. The first one causes no inconvenience whatsoever once you have the NHS App or the actual vaccine card, and the second one whilst not particularly pleasant (especially when you wear glasses!) is a minor inconvenience in the scheme of things. I could do both indefinitely if it meant no more lockdowns.nut flush gooner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:46 amWell this is what happens when you allow people to do what they want. They do exactly that and to hell with the correct protocols. Every other major European nation has covid under control because in addition to the vaccines they are doing two basic things. Scrapping the COVID passport was a huge mistake in England.
Are we honestly surprised this is happening again, this time COVID wont be the only problem that hospitals face this winter. If we do lockdown again, the people are as much part of the problem as the govt.
Lets be clear though - although infections per day are similar to levels at the start of the year there are less than 8k people in hospital as opposed to 40k (and less than 1k on ventilators). Getting everyone vaccinated and boosting once available still remains the key
I have the covid passport on my phone and masks really aren’t any bother. A lot of countries just have these measures and are doing much better than us. These deaths are needless.
I would post a graph from ourworldindata to prove this, but it's a bloody nightmare posting graphics on this site. You will have to take my word for it.