Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[SteveO 35]

Dychey spotted in a taxi heading to the Emirates........

Defeat at Southampton tomorrow......

Never say never fellas

I know DB10 is already salivating at the prospect of big Sean taking over

[DB10GOONER]

Sean Dyche is now also available for Steve

Haha I literally just logged in to post that!

Great minds

[OneBardGooner]

Consider for a moment that currently Arteta is the fifth best manager in the Premier League behind Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel, and Antonio Conte. He is only into his third season as a manager. Looking at that list, he ain't doing too bad a job given the task he has to do, to turn this club around. As a coach he will get better, as a manager he will get better, as will the players he is working with. I think we should stick with him because I cannot think of a manager who will actually want to come to us with a proven track record. Under Arteta, with the progress we've made, we are heading upwards and will win the PL in two years. It took GG 3 seasons but he didnt have to deal with billionaires owning clubs. It took Ferguson 7 season's and he had good pedigree as a manager. Arteta, it seems has a growing respect around Europe. We will only lose him to a club like City, Liverpool, PSG, Juve, etc...if he gets us in the top 4. He hasn't reached his highest level yet.

If this isnt trolling then I dont know what is

Btw he took over a team that finished 5th just one point outside the top 4 in previous season - granted emery fcuked up in that run in, but the point remains that he didnt take over a team in free fall, and has dragged us down to 8th and led us to have our first season without european competition in over 20 years

Not trolling at all, I genuinely believe this team, if kept together will be good enough to win the league in two seasons. Obviously, we have to make 2-3 acquisitions in key areas.

Wow I like to think of myself as one of the positive ones on here but that is either dillusional or I'll have what you're smoking.

5th this year will be decent then its challenging for top 4 , no way we are breaking top 2.

Where the fuck is Hlebby when we need him???

[DB10GOONER]

Dychey spotted in a taxi heading to the Emirates........

Defeat at Southampton tomorrow......

Never say never fellas

I know DB10 is already salivating at the prospect of big Sean taking over

I am fully engorged.

[SteveO 35]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FUCK OFF NOW !!

[DB10GOONER]

He has to go. We have a midfield of fucking Clivetard and Lakonga because Martinez-Lite didn't like Torreira and Guendouzi who are both a million times the player Clive will ever be ffs.

We have a bare bones squad and no striker worth the name.

The Process can suck my fucking cock and fuck off.

[Nos89]

My optimism is being severely tested. Arteta has to get 4th to stay in his job. Initially, I anticipated Arteta getting the sack by October, for Arsenal to appoint Conte and we finish 4th. Arteta surprised us by getting us back into contention and to the semi-final of the league cup. However, since being in control of 4th place we've fallen apart.
For me to stay in the job he has to finish in the top 4.
I still believe this team is going places and heading for the top. Who gets us there is anyone's guess.

[Gunner Rob]

My optimism is being severely tested. Arteta has to get 4th to stay in his job. Initially, I anticipated Arteta getting the sack by October, for Arsenal to appoint Conte and we finish 4th. Arteta surprised us by getting us back into contention and to the semi-final of the league cup. However, since being in control of 4th place we've fallen apart.
For me to stay in the job he has to finish in the top 4.
I still believe this team is going places and heading for the top. Who gets us there is anyone's guess.

Going places????

We haven’t even got a striker to score us any goals.
I’m not sure that this club has been in a worse place since World War 1.

[Almunia is a clown]

Does he deserve a contract extension? No end of debate, even his most staunch supporters can't be seriously demanding that decision.

Does he deserve to serve his last season of his contract? No but he'll probably get that chance,

He should be paid up for the last year & let go, preferably as soon as possible.

[SteveO 35]

For years I have consistently slated both the owner and those that have been in charge of the Academy - both terrible track records over the past decade.

The owner is still a c.unt but in fairness has backed this manager like nobody else - the highest spenders in Europe last Summer. And finally the academy has produced some gems in Saka, ESR, and also nurtured Martinelli. There are other decent prospects like Patino and Azeez underneath too.

This c.unt is now the biggest problem at the club by far because he is going to destroy the careers of these kids if he's allowed to continue with this under 23 project of his

People were asking on the match thread which top managers were available. It depends what you mean by 'top' - but what I would say is that there are a number who are infinitely better than cock features that would walk over burning coals to join the Arsenal. Moyes and Potter are two that spring to mind. PV4 has a lot to prove but has still transformed the way Palace play in far less time than cock features has wasted trying to work out what's what. The Danish fella who got Brentford up and currently mid table in the PL. All of these are not perfect options - perfect doesn't exist - but I'd trust any of them more than Arteta. For a start they all value leadership - Brighton today, whilst having great kids were indebted to another fantastic CB display from Dunk, and towards the end brought on Lallana and Welbeck for some know how.

The lack of leadership under this fool is damning and he's had 4 transfer windows to address it and failed miserably

Where does it end?

[Nos89]

My optimism is being severely tested. Arteta has to get 4th to stay in his job. Initially, I anticipated Arteta getting the sack by October, for Arsenal to appoint Conte and we finish 4th. Arteta surprised us by getting us back into contention and to the semi-final of the league cup. However, since being in control of 4th place we've fallen apart.
For me to stay in the job he has to finish in the top 4.
I still believe this team is going places and heading for the top. Who gets us there is anyone's guess.

Going places????

We haven’t even got a striker to score us any goals.
I’m not sure that this club has been in a worse place since World War 1.

The core of the team will keep on improving. This happened under Emery when we had a striker. Don't suppose you're old enough to have seen The Arsenal between 1974-1987. Mid '90's wasn't great for a couple of years. It's been much much worse.

[SteveO 35]

My optimism is being severely tested. Arteta has to get 4th to stay in his job. Initially, I anticipated Arteta getting the sack by October, for Arsenal to appoint Conte and we finish 4th. Arteta surprised us by getting us back into contention and to the semi-final of the league cup. However, since being in control of 4th place we've fallen apart.
For me to stay in the job he has to finish in the top 4.
I still believe this team is going places and heading for the top. Who gets us there is anyone's guess.

Going places????

We haven’t even got a striker to score us any goals.
I’m not sure that this club has been in a worse place since World War 1.

The core of the team will keep on improving. This happened under Emery when we had a striker. Don't suppose you're old enough to have seen The Arsenal between 1974-1987. Mid '90's wasn't great for a couple of years. It's been much much worse.

I started watching Arsenal in the late 70s, so can't really remember back as far as '74, but I do remember the majority of those periods you're referring to. I think what depresses me more about this period is that we should be much better than this with the talent we have at the club and the resources at its disposal. In the 70s Liverpool were the dominant force but we were still picking up cups and qualifying for the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup. We also tried out a few managers right? Terry Neill was shot of, Don Howe came in, then George was appointed. The mid 90s was dire as you say but even then we reached the 95 CWC final, then fired GG in the one season we didn't have European football. This tool by comparison has some of the best kids we've produced in a generation, 160m invested, and we're still going to trust him to take us forward?? Its not even certain that we'll get 7th at this rate and could miss out on European football entirely again.

75-76 was the last season where we'd finished outside the top 7 in consecutive seasons before Carpet Head was appointed.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we end up 8th again, which would be three consecutive season. Yes, it really is that bad.

When we lose to Chavski on Weds, Wolves will be 5 points behind with the same games played. We've got Man U, they've got Burnley. Imagine the shame......and all this with a team that contains England's best keeper, Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard, Smith Rowe.......truly truly shameful

West Ham have got about 18 players and playing twice a week and actually look fresher and in better form than us. That's down to one thing - the manager

[Natural Born Gooner]

In the worst battle for 4th place in living memory, and he's managed to fuck it up to monumental levels.

We sit by whilst top quality managers come and go at other clubs (something we have already suffered from) in the padt, while we'll lurch from this dud to another once he's found out even further.

[rodders999]

If it was basketball we’d have won, he’s gone full blown batshit Wenger

[SteveO 35]

In the worst battle for 4th place in living memory, and he's managed to fuck it up to monumental levels.

We sit by whilst top quality managers come and go at other clubs (something we have already suffered from) in the padt, while we'll lurch from this dud to another once he's found out even further.

2016 - the best chance to win the league since 2004, but we'd stuck with Wenger whilst Klopp and Pep started their new jobs, and Podgie started making Spurs half decent

2022 - we've got Peps Cone Boy whilst Spurs went with Conte, and the Man Ure side in 30 years will still finish above us but consider it not good enough and likely get Ten Haag

Fuck off Kroenke. Fuck off Carpet Head