As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
BTW I see football as social occasions, as much as going to the games these days. Fancy saying to your mates, I don't fancy a beer with you because I am boycotting the club. Unless you are a Norman no mates of course .
Sadly a couple of my mates have boycotted in the last couple of years and now there are just 2 of us who go to Arsenal regularly
One of them often meets me for a pre-match beer and goes home!
For the contract extension to be signed now confirms everything that I feared - that the ambition of the club is not to get into the top 4 and meaningfully compete even higher. No it is merely to compete for a top 4 place and if we miss out on it then so what, it is not as if there will be any investment in the team should we get there.
It is why I can no longer go to the Emirates because whilst Kroenke owns this club there is ZERO ambition to get any better.
That’s the brutal reality of where we are at.
I don't have a problem with competing for the top 4 as a short term ambition. Catching up with Victims* and Manchester City next season is unlikely. However like the Victims* did when Klopp came in, it has to lead somewhere and not be a repeat of 2006-2016 with consecutive top 4 finishes and a couple of half ars3d attempts at actually winning the league.
If Arsenal make Champions League they have to strengthen squad. Otherwise, it could be the last time they are there for a few more years.
For the contract extension to be signed now confirms everything that I feared - that the ambition of the club is not to get into the top 4 and meaningfully compete even higher. No it is merely to compete for a top 4 place and if we miss out on it then so what, it is not as if there will be any investment in the team should we get there.
It is why I can no longer go to the Emirates because whilst Kroenke owns this club there is ZERO ambition to get any better.
That’s the brutal reality of where we are at.
Can you not see how him signing now if anything provides a psychological fillip to the team with every game now being a cup final for us?
And with regards to ambition, Kroenke has allowed net spending to the tune of £330m over the last five years. You can criticise him all you like, but as billionaires go he has the dosh and is starting to open the clip.
Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.
BTW I see football as social occasions, as much as going to the games these days. Fancy saying to your mates, I don't fancy a beer with you because I am boycotting the club. Unless you are a Norman no mates of course .
I go to non league football now with my mates for the social side of things/not bothering about result etc.
For the prices that Arsenal charge these days there needs to be more ambition for me.
Overall we are no better now than we have been for the past 15 years or so.
Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.
So giving Wenger contract after contract post 2008 provided stability did it? It spilt the fan base.
You really believe the Kroenkes will sack their yes man Arteta?
This decision proves the lack of ambition at the club. Try and scramble for a top 4 finish and maybe win a domestic cup every 5 years but never put in a title challenge and get our arses whipped in the CL. So its just a carry on from the last decade of Wenger
It amazes me how many of our new fan base cant see that Arteta is a fraud.Just remember in 2015 we turned our noses up at Klopp and kept Wenger
And as usual the Kroenkes get away scot free. The fans get what they deserve
For the contract extension to be signed now confirms everything that I feared - that the ambition of the club is not to get into the top 4 and meaningfully compete even higher. No it is merely to compete for a top 4 place and if we miss out on it then so what, it is not as if there will be any investment in the team should we get there.
It is why I can no longer go to the Emirates because whilst Kroenke owns this club there is ZERO ambition to get any better.
That’s the brutal reality of where we are at.
Can you not see how him signing now if anything provides a psychological fillip to the team with every game now being a cup final for us?
And with regards to ambition, Kroenke has allowed net spending to the tune of £330m over the last five years. You can criticise him all you like, but as billionaires go he has the dosh and is starting to open the clip.
Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.
BTW I see football as social occasions, as much as going to the games these days. Fancy saying to your mates, I don't fancy a beer with you because I am boycotting the club. Unless you are a Norman no mates of course .
I go to non league football now with my mates for the social side of things/not bothering about result etc.
For the prices that Arsenal charge these days there needs to be more ambition for me.
Overall we are no better now than we have been for the past 15 years or so.
I gave up going to the Concrete bowl when Wenger came out and said 4th is a trophy. Arsenal will always be my club but the Kroenkes aint getting my money
Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.
So giving Wenger contract after contract post 2008 provided stability did it? It spilt the fan base.
You really believe the Kroenkes will sack their yes man Arteta?
This decision proves the lack of ambition at the club. Try and scramble for a top 4 finish and maybe win a domestic cup every 5 years but never put in a title challenge and get our arses whipped in the CL. So its just a carry on from the last decade of Wenger
It amazes me how many of our new fan base cant see that Arteta is a fraud.Just remember in 2015 we turned our noses up at Klopp and kept Wenger
And as usual the Kroenkes get away scot free. The fans get what they deserve
I agree with most of that except the Trampy Shipman part. He would never have joined Arsenal and if he did he'd have never had the success he bought at the victims for over £200 million net (but with an actual spend of £500 million). Also he would never have survived losing those cup finals with us.
Also agreed on the Kroenkes. There seems to be this growing acceptance of them as "good owners" because they gave Martinez-Lite money to spend. That (like back in the Wenger days) completely misses the point. Good owners set the tone, they determine the ambition of the club, and insist it is delivered. Good owners do not appoint a novice as manager.
Hmm... for me hasn't done enough to warrant a new contract or contract extension. I honestly don't think he will be successful with us but obviously as an Arsenal supporter I hope he is. I think the club should have waited to see how we finished this season and then if he pushes us on in the PL next season. He was under contract until the end of next season. The board have jumped the gun here.
Europa was my minimum requirement hes achieved that . Creates stability for the club and young players who like him , they will sign newong term contracts. Also good for transfers in summer with the project to sell , who would want to come to a club with the manager's future in doubt ?
Arteta reveals that he was offered his new contract after losing three games on the spin. Said he was "emotional" after seeing that level of commitment.
Hmm... for me hasn't done enough to warrant a new contract or contract extension. I honestly don't think he will be successful with us but obviously as an Arsenal supporter I hope he is. I think the club should have waited to see how we finished this season and then if he pushes us on in the PL next season. He was under contract until the end of next season. The board have jumped the gun here.
Europa was my minimum requirement hes achieved that . Creates stability for the club and young players who like him , they will sign newong term contracts. Also good for transfers in summer with the project to sell , who would want to come to a club with the manager's future in doubt ?
We could point to any number of "who would want to" scenarios though.
Who would want to come to a club with a novice manager?
Who would want to come to a club with no CL football?
Who would want to come to a club that is so massively inconsistent in the league and out of every competition in January?
Tbh with most modern players the manager or his status will seldom be the reason they join. They are more likely to be motivated by firstly money and secondly guaranteed chance of the big trophies. I know not every player fits neatly into those simplified categories but you get my drift.
We have suffered massively because of this rush we always seem to be in to over reward mediocrity and under achievement both with players and managers.
I would have no problem rewarding him with a new improved contract next summer if we qualified for the CL this season, made a decent fist of it without humiliating defeats next season, had a decent crack at the top three next season and reached the later stages of the cups. That would be genuine improvement.
For the contract extension to be signed now confirms everything that I feared - that the ambition of the club is not to get into the top 4 and meaningfully compete even higher. No it is merely to compete for a top 4 place and if we miss out on it then so what, it is not as if there will be any investment in the team should we get there.
It is why I can no longer go to the Emirates because whilst Kroenke owns this club there is ZERO ambition to get any better.
That’s the brutal reality of where we are at.
I don't have a problem with competing for the top 4 as a short term ambition. Catching up with Victims* and Manchester City next season is unlikely. However like the Victims* did when Klopp came in, it has to lead somewhere and not be a repeat of 2006-2016 with consecutive top 4 finishes and a couple of half ars3d attempts at actually winning the league.
If Arsenal make Champions League they have to strengthen squad. Otherwise, it could be the last time they are there for a few more years.
Short term ? This has been going on for 15 years!
As I wrote, but given at the start of the season few even thought Arsenal were competing for top 4, I see no harm building towards a proper title challenge and being in contention in May not February as in 2008 and 2016. I wouldn't expect it next season.
Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.
So giving Wenger contract after contract post 2008 provided stability did it? It spilt the fan base.
You really believe the Kroenkes will sack their yes man Arteta?
This decision proves the lack of ambition at the club. Try and scramble for a top 4 finish and maybe win a domestic cup every 5 years but never put in a title challenge and get our arses whipped in the CL. So its just a carry on from the last decade of Wenger
It amazes me how many of our new fan base cant see that Arteta is a fraud.Just remember in 2015 we turned our noses up at Klopp and kept Wenger
And as usual the Kroenkes get away scot free. The fans get what they deserve
Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.
So giving Wenger contract after contract post 2008 provided stability did it? It spilt the fan base.
You really believe the Kroenkes will sack their yes man Arteta?
This decision proves the lack of ambition at the club. Try and scramble for a top 4 finish and maybe win a domestic cup every 5 years but never put in a title challenge and get our arses whipped in the CL. So its just a carry on from the last decade of Wenger
It amazes me how many of our new fan base cant see that Arteta is a fraud.Just remember in 2015 we turned our noses up at Klopp and kept Wenger
And as usual the Kroenkes get away scot free. The fans get what they deserve
I agree with most of that except the Trampy Shipman part. He would never have joined Arsenal and if he did he'd have never had the success he bought at the victims for over £200 million net (but with an actual spend of £500 million). Also he would never have survived losing those cup finals with us.
Also agreed on the Kroenkes. There seems to be this growing acceptance of them as "good owners" because they gave Martinez-Lite money to spend. That (like back in the Wenger days) completely misses the point. Good owners set the tone, they determine the ambition of the club, and insist it is delivered. Good owners do not appoint a novice as manager.
Hmm... for me hasn't done enough to warrant a new contract or contract extension. I honestly don't think he will be successful with us but obviously as an Arsenal supporter I hope he is. I think the club should have waited to see how we finished this season and then if he pushes us on in the PL next season. He was under contract until the end of next season. The board have jumped the gun here.
Europa was my minimum requirement hes achieved that . Creates stability for the club and young players who like him , they will sign newong term contracts. Also good for transfers in summer with the project to sell , who would want to come to a club with the manager's future in doubt ?
We could point to any number of "who would want to" scenarios though.
Who would want to come to a club with a novice manager?
Who would want to come to a club with no CL football?
Who would want to come to a club that is so massively inconsistent in the league and out of every competition in January?
Tbh with most modern players the manager or his status will seldom be the reason they join. They are more likely to be motivated by firstly money and secondly guaranteed chance of the big trophies. I know not every player fits neatly into those simplified categories but you get my drift.
We have suffered massively because of this rush we always seem to be in to over reward mediocrity and under achievement both with players and managers.
I would have no problem rewarding him with a new improved contract next summer if we qualified for the CL this season, made a decent fist of it without humiliating defeats next season, had a decent crack at the top three next season and reached the later stages of the cups. That would be genuine improvement.
Blimey DB's on a roll. ^^^ This too !!
I'd also add that keeping the Spanish novice in place, also guarantees we'll be seeing plenty more of Clubfoot Xhaka and the continued benching of ESR.
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and the continued benching of ESR.
