Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[gooner265]

Mikel Arteta has extended his Arsenal contract until the end of the 2024-25 season




https://www.arsenal.com/news/congratula ... -and-jonas

Let the meltdown commence

Good news

Hmm... for me hasn't done enough to warrant a new contract or contract extension. I honestly don't think he will be successful with us but obviously as an Arsenal supporter I hope he is. I think the club should have waited to see how we finished this season and then if he pushes us on in the PL next season. He was under contract until the end of next season. The board have jumped the gun here.

Europa was my minimum requirement hes achieved that . Creates stability for the club and young players who like him , they will sign newong term contracts. Also good for transfers in summer with the project to sell , who would want to come to a club with the manager's future in doubt ?

We could point to any number of "who would want to" scenarios though.

Who would want to come to a club with a novice manager?

Who would want to come to a club with no CL football?

Who would want to come to a club that is so massively inconsistent in the league and out of every competition in January?

Tbh with most modern players the manager or his status will seldom be the reason they join. They are more likely to be motivated by firstly money and secondly guaranteed chance of the big trophies. I know not every player fits neatly into those simplified categories but you get my drift.

We have suffered massively because of this rush we always seem to be in to over reward mediocrity and under achievement both with players and managers.

I would have no problem rewarding him with a new improved contract next summer if we qualified for the CL this season, made a decent fist of it without humiliating defeats next season, had a decent crack at the top three next season and reached the later stages of the cups. That would be genuine improvement.

I get what youre saying but below is what I said earlier as well

Mikel Arteta on his new contract: “They [players] found out this morning. Some of them have been asking me for months because they have questions about their individual futures. That is not something I want to be talking about, I want zero distraction. It’s clear for the future.” https://t.co/RsLi8cjlLR

Arteta: “We can explain to the players when you are discussing the possibility of prolonging their stay, or recruiting someone, you have to explain how you are going to do it & in detail so they know & expect clearly what they are going to believe in if they join our club.” #afc https://t.co/o71rtOWtpF

Also 20 wins in 34 games is not that inconsistent which you'll always have with a young squad.

We may yet have champions league football

Is he really a rookie now after three years, I think he has learnt from some earlier mistakes and hopefully will continue to.

Those championing Vieira , what has he exactly done , hes not far off rookie himself , still learning management , I think that choice is more how much more we love him than Arteta.

Time will tell

[SteveO 35]

Lets face it...the board mistakes when it comes to managers has been going on for 13 years or so going back to keeping Wenger on for 8 years too many at least, appointing Emery and then binning him inside 18 months, then appointing someone with zero managerial experience and seeing us finish 8th in consecutive seasons and missing out on European football for the first time in 26 years

In that time Leicester won the league, Klopp and Guardiola came and turned their sides into the best in Europe, the vermin overtook us for 5 years and we were scrapping around trying to finish above the likes of Sheffield United and West Ham on the final day of the season

So do I trust this owner and board to do the right thing? Absolutely not. Will we be proven wrong and this turn out to be a golden era? Hope so

The thing now is I have such little confidence in the owner and his son, that signing Arteta for 3 more years is provably better than the next appointment they'd end up making anyway

[g88ner]

Putting my reservations to one side, I think offering Arteta a new deal is the right thing to do and I’m pleased for him.

I’ve enjoyed this season. It’s been far from perfect but I care again, I like the players, I respect the effort Arteta and the players are putting in, and I look forward to every game now. That’s all I wanted really after years of apathy.

4th or 5th this season meets my expectations and far exceeds the expectations of many on here so credit where it’s due. Quite frankly, to do that with no strikers is quite something. Imagine this team with a Ronaldo, Son or Kane instead of Laca/Eddie?!

Here’s hoping we finish the season strongly although I still look at our fixtures with dread. Let’s see

[shu]

Giving Arteta a new contract provides stability, if he fucks up there always is PV4 in the wings as long as he doesn't go to City.

So giving Wenger contract after contract post 2008 provided stability did it? It spilt the fan base.

You really believe the Kroenkes will sack their yes man Arteta?

This decision proves the lack of ambition at the club. Try and scramble for a top 4 finish and maybe win a domestic cup every 5 years but never put in a title challenge and get our arses whipped in the CL. So its just a carry on from the last decade of Wenger

It amazes me how many of our new fan base cant see that Arteta is a fraud.Just remember in 2015 we turned our noses up at Klopp and kept Wenger

And as usual the Kroenkes get away scot free. The fans get what they deserve

I agree with most of that except the Trampy Shipman part. He would never have joined Arsenal and if he did he'd have never had the success he bought at the victims for over £200 million net (but with an actual spend of £500 million). Also he would never have survived losing those cup finals with us.

Also agreed on the Kroenkes. There seems to be this growing acceptance of them as "good owners" because they gave Martinez-Lite money to spend. That (like back in the Wenger days) completely misses the point. Good owners set the tone, they determine the ambition of the club, and insist it is delivered. Good owners do not appoint a novice as manager.

DB , I am no Arteta fan but I get the feeling that unless he won the league that most of us will never take to him. Having said that he is building a better team , this is being funded by the owners , didn’t we have the highest spend last summer ????

Should he manage at least 5th this would have surpassed most expectations, if he gets top 4 well !!!!

So no I don’t like the manager but I wouldn’t swap him for Ten Haag etc .

I think if you spoke to the owners they would point to the general improvement in the team and point out the challenge for top 4 and the money spent . If we spend 100-150 mill this summer then they are correct.

[A11M11]

Arteta is there to do a job and so far he is doing it . Yes I agree that he is inexperienced and that he has made some rookie mistakes but if you go by stats alone , if we finish 4th or 5th then we are improving on the last two seasons.
If you go by the eye , like I tend to do , we as a team on the pitch are a much more cohesive lot and we are now picking up points that we wouldn't have before . So a new contract connot be criticised becaused if it doesn't work out , this is football and as we know contracts mean little anyway.

Furthermore I think that too many are writing off Nketiah too soon . Whilst I don't see him as the second coming of Ian Wright , Jermaine defoe might be a better fit . So far from what I have seen he is lively , mobile and certainly more of a handfull than lacazette is . He is small and lightweight but is still young and really although Wiki shows him as having played 55 games most of them are 5 or 10 minute cameos .
We have to judge him on our attacking in the last few games ,. He cant develop any further in the youth teams he needs to be thrown in at the deep end and see how he fares at least to the end of this season . Maybe not playing him sooner is one of those rookie mistakes I mentioned earlier.
If we bum him out we might live to regret it

[Redarmy]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

No link and might be bullshit anyway but, that aside, how long is left on his contract? Summer 2023? - if so, contract talks should be on hold.

Not bullshit

[OneBardGooner]

FFS!


He hasn't done or achieved anything yet, other than the FA Cup in his first year, but since then there have been too many 'dodgy' games/moments/ decisions, such as 'persuading' CliveElCunto to stay, extending his contract and giving the accident waiting to happen a wage rise.

Wiggy & Jnr do Not have Scooby.

[g88ner]

ARSENAL are set to hand Mikel Arteta a bumper pay rise with a new £8.3million-a-year deal this summer.

No link and might be bullshit anyway but, that aside, how long is left on his contract? Summer 2023? - if so, contract talks should be on hold.

Not bullshit

Haha maybe, maybe not

I’m generally sceptical though when “ITK” sources go to an exact number (£8.3m) instead of giving an approximate value or simply reporting a new contract is being discussed. It just starts to smell a little of click bait but I do appreciate some things do indeed get leaked by agents and clubs.

If indeed the deal is exactly £8.3m a year then fair play to the source, they’ve clearly got great contacts … or it was an amazing guess!

[GoonerMuzz]

It's ironic and a little bit ridiculous that some of us, myself included, admit that he is a rookie inexperienced manager who is far out his depth but on the other hand expect him to be doing better than he is.....

In terms of the Club expectations I would think that immaterial of what us armchair Managers think that to them he has achieved their stated aims and therefore he is worthy of a contract extension.

We are stuck with him for 3 more seasons whether we like it or not so for the sake of the club I support I hope he begins to shed some of his naivety and that the Club continue to back him in the transfer market.

Personally I just can't take to him, but immaterial of my personal feelings I hope he can improve us and genuinely challenge for 3rd next season, have a decent run in Europe and not flop out the Cups...... Unfortunately even with a good amount of spending in the summer we will still be threadbare in the squad and most likely unable to compete in all competitions and definitely not be challenging Shitty or the Victims*

[DB10GOONER]

I like him. I liked him as a player. I think he genuinely is driven to succeed and will give his all.

But that's not the problem for me.

He is just too early in his career to be at Arsenal. His inexperience has stripped the squad to the bare minimum to the extent we have major issues in key areas like up front, central midfield, and at both backs. His in-game management is too often amateurish. His ego won't let him be practical and pragmatic and that is something you see in inexperienced managers promoted too early in all walks of life.

[xisstential]

We will tread water for the next 3 years, it will be like the ending of Wenger's reign, desperately scrapping for 4th and our fan base being absolutely over the moon when we get it.....in order to play in a competition that we are not nearly good enough to be in, let alone win it.

And the reason we have no striker atm.....because Arteta fell out with Auba, then made the "brave" decision to plough on with no striker (Laca doesn't count) We are going to have 3 more years of this. Our fan base will never understand that the Kroenke's sole goal is to get into CL, not win it, play in it....with all the finances that come with it.

[OneBardGooner]

We will tread water for the next 3 years, it will be like the ending of Wenger's reign, desperately scrapping for 4th and our fan base being absolutely over the moon when we get it.....in order to play in a competition that we are not nearly good enough to be in, let alone win it.

And the reason we have no striker atm.....because Arteta fell out with Auba, then made the "brave" decision to plough on with no striker (Laca doesn't count) We are going to have 3 more years of this. Our fan base will never understand that the Kroenke's sole goal is to get into CL, not win it, play in it....with all the finances that come with it.

1,000% Bang on the nail.

[begeegs]

I don't mind the signing. I didn't expect higher than 6th/7th this year (which could still happen), so if he gets 4th or even 5th, he deserves a contract. I would have preferred it at the end of the season, but it is plausible that there was a requirement for contract renewals/new signings to have management stability before anyone commits.

My biggest criticism would be the wastefulness of his reign and the constant falling out with players, but it would hardly be the first time something like that happened with managers. He strikes me as more of a disciplinarian, so playing loose with players like Wenger and Emery did, probably wouldn't fly.

The defence has improved by a long shot which makes us tough to beat (unless the opponent is Liverpool). We score and do not concede many from set-pieces. Wenger and Emery more or less ignored set-pieces. Going forward is not as fluid as I would like, but these kids will get better.

I think that the zero striker argument is a false one as well. He has 2 strikers, but one isn't good enough for our system and one is unproven. I don't know why Auba was paid off, but the results have been better without him in the lineup. If he cracks the top 4 after jettisoning Auba, that would be an achievement - self-inflicted or not.

I think that overall, he just about deserves the renewal. If other players now commit to Arsenal, you will see that was probably the reason for the managerial renewal.

[skipper]

I'm really getting sick of all this relentless Arteta PR crap that club's been ramming down our throats. Contact offered after three loses? Pathetic bullshit. We all know that deal was sealed in January when Arteta went to States. You've all seen that photo in last few days of Arteta sitting the same way as Wenger. Think of Arsene what you want, but to compare Arteta to him is a great insult to AW. I'm also sick to the core of reading how Arsenal photographer, or Amazon cameraman, or fckng Darren Bent think he's some kind of genius, when the only thing that will convince supporters of his worth are the actual RESULTS, and so far we've had crumbles. (This is where the club lowering expectations seems to work with majority of younger fans)

It can of course all end well and our fears and doubts might be proven wrong, but atm, at least to me, everything stinks of mediocrity.

I'm also beginning to think that anyone under age of 35 is mad about Arteta, while those older fans still have many reasonable doubts.

Either way, the Arsenal PR machine has been relentless this season, and it's probably to do with Amazon documentary, titled "All or Nothing". Perhaps that's the main reason why our target for this season was Top6, as Kroenkes didn't want Arteta to fail the documentary.

I still believe that reason we are in this position is not because of Arteta, but because of Saka and ESR mainly. Take Saka away from this team and we're mid table team. Just my opinion, of course.

[DB10GOONER]

If that Leeds game has shown us anything its that Martinez-Lite is a novice and has practically zero in-game management knowledge.

We will get humiliated in the CL -

- should we get in. (Trying not to jinx us here).