Shower of dirty cheating Manc filth who ended our record unbeaten run by being dirty cheats A Sun 4th Sept KO 430PM

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DB10GOONER wrote:
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mcdowell42 wrote:
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On a side note did anyone hear or see anything about Ramsdale and Paul Merson(he was pundit for the match with Sky) having words with each other after the game, and I don't mean nice words.

There's pics on the link below if you go in as far as 4.18 mins ,

https://youtu.be/dzzxZNVJFqY
Very strange. :shock:

I am conflicted with Merse. Always have been. An Arsenal legend. A fantastic footballer and a big part of the GG thing for me. But Paul Merson the bloke is thick as shit, is a selfish horrible person that treated his family like shit, and is a lifelong chav fan. Is it possible to be equal parts legend and cùnt? :lol:


Seems a bit harsh DB, the poor bloke has serious demons that he struggles with to this day and no doubt always will. To be fair, I don't know the details of how he treated his family, but I've seen quite a few things with him in on TV and he comes across as a nice bloke, who clearly has massive issues. But for the grace of God and all that.

Maybe I'm biased, because I loved him as a player, a real talent...God knows how good he would have been without the booze and drugs...and I was gutted when Wenger got rid of him so soon. If ever a player didn't fit Arsene's clean living ideals, it was Merse. :lol:

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goonersid wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:33 pm
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I think teams go through evolutionary processes of development, and there are different stages and hurdles within that development process that need to be cleared

GG's young guns of the late 80s, started it by getting us back winning a cup in 1987 - our first trophy in 8 years. They fluffed it against the best side in the country in Liverpool in his early days (and also against the likes of Everton who were the other top team of the era) before going to those grounds and getting statement victories.....en route to winning the league.

With this team, they needed to get back into European football first - done.

They now have 2 significant hurdles as far as I can see - one is to get back into the CL (be that in the top 4 or winning the EL). The second I'm afraid is that they have to win at either Old Trafford (and with actual fans there), Anfield, the Etihad or the New Swamp. Those places are becoming a mill stone round the club's neck and weighing just as heavily on these young shoulders as it was back in the 80s going to Anfield. Every time a result like yesterday's comes around, the questions continue to be asked. If we lose at all four of those grounds again this season and don't qualify for the CL, I'd have to ask whether it will ever happen under this management team. The Mickeys are going through transition, City don't look like the 100+ point version anymore, the Spuds are scraping by and United are bog awful. If the likes of Palace and Brighton can go to those places and take points, then we have too as well. We need to win at least one of those 3 for me to think we've taken that same step that GG's team did when they went to Anfield and Goodison and took 3 points and won massively pressurised games
We have a squad capable of winning these games, when fully fit.
We don't have a manager capable of managing these big games, when this season concludes and assuming this lightweight is still there, we will have our usual accumulation of points from these games, maybe beat sperz at home and a win or a point against utd.
That's the thing Stevo and we are stuck with it.
Don't disagree Sid - he's got to show after 3 years that this squad is taking those steps. If we still get pumped again at those 4 grounds and miss out on the CL.....with all Wenger's and Emery's cast offs gone.....and with £300m+ spent, then there is only one answer isn't there

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Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:08 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:13 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:49 pm
On a side note did anyone hear or see anything about Ramsdale and Paul Merson(he was pundit for the match with Sky) having words with each other after the game, and I don't mean nice words.

There's pics on the link below if you go in as far as 4.18 mins ,

https://youtu.be/dzzxZNVJFqY
Very strange. :shock:

I am conflicted with Merse. Always have been. An Arsenal legend. A fantastic footballer and a big part of the GG thing for me. But Paul Merson the bloke is thick as shit, is a selfish horrible person that treated his family like shit, and is a lifelong chav fan. Is it possible to be equal parts legend and cùnt? :lol:


Seems a bit harsh DB, the poor bloke has serious demons that he struggles with to this day and no doubt always will. To be fair, I don't know the details of how he treated his family, but I've seen quite a few things with him in on TV and he comes across as a nice bloke, who clearly has massive issues. But for the grace of God and all that.

Maybe I'm biased, because I loved him as a player, a real talent...God knows how good he would have been without the booze and drugs...and I was gutted when Wenger got rid of him so soon. If ever a player didn't fit Arsene's clean living ideals, it was Merse. :lol:
Don't agree. Read his autobiography. He comes across as a selfish man child that gave less than half a fuck about anyone but himself. The excuse of addictions can only carry a person so far. I had a good friend that fought the same addictions for years until they killed him. He above all else tried so hard to minimise the impact of his problems on his family. It wasn't always possible of course, but he tried. Merson gives the impression in his story that he didn't really care either way.

As I say I'm torn on him because I loved him as a player.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:50 am
Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:08 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:13 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:49 pm
On a side note did anyone hear or see anything about Ramsdale and Paul Merson(he was pundit for the match with Sky) having words with each other after the game, and I don't mean nice words.

There's pics on the link below if you go in as far as 4.18 mins ,

https://youtu.be/dzzxZNVJFqY
Very strange. :shock:

I am conflicted with Merse. Always have been. An Arsenal legend. A fantastic footballer and a big part of the GG thing for me. But Paul Merson the bloke is thick as shit, is a selfish horrible person that treated his family like shit, and is a lifelong chav fan. Is it possible to be equal parts legend and cùnt? :lol:


Seems a bit harsh DB, the poor bloke has serious demons that he struggles with to this day and no doubt always will. To be fair, I don't know the details of how he treated his family, but I've seen quite a few things with him in on TV and he comes across as a nice bloke, who clearly has massive issues. But for the grace of God and all that.

Maybe I'm biased, because I loved him as a player, a real talent...God knows how good he would have been without the booze and drugs...and I was gutted when Wenger got rid of him so soon. If ever a player didn't fit Arsene's clean living ideals, it was Merse. :lol:
Don't agree. Read his autobiography. He comes across as a selfish man child that gave less than half a fuck about anyone but himself. The excuse of addictions can only carry a person so far. I had a good friend that fought the same addictions for years until they killed him. He above all else tried so hard to minimise the impact of his problems on his family. It wasn't always possible of course, but he tried. Merson gives the impression in his story that he didn't really care either way.

As I say I'm torn on him because I loved him as a player.

Fair enough, I haven't read his book, although I'd imagine that selfishness and not caring about anyone else is a frequent by product of those awful addictions. I suppose it's something if at least he sees it now and acknowledges it...not that it's much help to those affected at the time.

As you say, cracking player.


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Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:08 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:13 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:49 pm
On a side note did anyone hear or see anything about Ramsdale and Paul Merson(he was pundit for the match with Sky) having words with each other after the game, and I don't mean nice words.

There's pics on the link below if you go in as far as 4.18 mins ,

https://youtu.be/dzzxZNVJFqY
Very strange. :shock:

I am conflicted with Merse. Always have been. An Arsenal legend. A fantastic footballer and a big part of the GG thing for me. But Paul Merson the bloke is thick as shit, is a selfish horrible person that treated his family like shit, and is a lifelong chav fan. Is it possible to be equal parts legend and cùnt? :lol:


Seems a bit harsh DB, the poor bloke has serious demons that he struggles with to this day and no doubt always will. To be fair, I don't know the details of how he treated his family, but I've seen quite a few things with him in on TV and he comes across as a nice bloke, who clearly has massive issues. But for the grace of God and all that.

Maybe I'm biased, because I loved him as a player, a real talent...God knows how good he would have been without the booze and drugs...and I was gutted when Wenger got rid of him so soon. If ever a player didn't fit Arsene's clean living ideals, it was Merse. :lol:
He kept Adams though , I think it was more he didnt fit in the system with Dennis as a number 10.

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Naivety is the word, naive defence and naive manager. No need to throw the kitch sink in and lose our shape , shocking defending for 2nd and 3rd goals. Saliba worse game for us but also lots of positives to take from this game.

Couple of positives for me apart from the domination was Sambi looked good just needs to cut out some silly passes but will come especially playing with a better partner. Only a couple of glimpses but I liked the look of Vieira when he came on , one stunning cross and always looked positive. He seems to be the forgotten man , hoping Europa will bring enough good performances alon with Sambi to make Arteta rethink playing Clive. Still believe he wont be a regular by the end of the season.

Odegaard was involved in both goals so to say he went missing is harsh.

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gooner265 wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:13 am
Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:08 pm
DB10GOONER wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:13 pm
mcdowell42 wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:49 pm
On a side note did anyone hear or see anything about Ramsdale and Paul Merson(he was pundit for the match with Sky) having words with each other after the game, and I don't mean nice words.

There's pics on the link below if you go in as far as 4.18 mins ,

https://youtu.be/dzzxZNVJFqY
Very strange. :shock:

I am conflicted with Merse. Always have been. An Arsenal legend. A fantastic footballer and a big part of the GG thing for me. But Paul Merson the bloke is thick as shit, is a selfish horrible person that treated his family like shit, and is a lifelong chav fan. Is it possible to be equal parts legend and cùnt? :lol:


Seems a bit harsh DB, the poor bloke has serious demons that he struggles with to this day and no doubt always will. To be fair, I don't know the details of how he treated his family, but I've seen quite a few things with him in on TV and he comes across as a nice bloke, who clearly has massive issues. But for the grace of God and all that.

Maybe I'm biased, because I loved him as a player, a real talent...God knows how good he would have been without the booze and drugs...and I was gutted when Wenger got rid of him so soon. If ever a player didn't fit Arsene's clean living ideals, it was Merse. :lol:
He kept Adams though , I think it was more he didnt fit in the system with Dennis as a number 10.
Possibly, but he frequently played wide and he’d been playing with Dennis the previous season or two. Could have kept him in the squad regardless.

We’ll never know I suppose, but Merse was clearly still a mess and no way did that fit with Wenger’s philosophy. Adams had sorted himself out by Wenger’s arrival. He was on the wagon by that time.

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Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:57 pm
Nos89 wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:53 pm
Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:53 pm
augie wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:45 pm
g88ner wrote:
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Still irritated about the United game and the Premier League weekend in general.

Delighted with how we played but the re-refereeing of games that has robbed Arsenal, Newcastle, West Ham, Brighton and neutral fans of genuinely fantastic goals and great Premier League moments have been spoilt by the pedantic VAR killjoys. I’m genuinely missing the simplicity of the beautiful game I fell in love with.

Arteta’s 3-substitute clusterfuck that robbed Arsenal of all momentum with 20mins to go also still grates. What a wonderful performance up to that point.

By the way, I just love watching Zinchenko and Jesus play. 2 wonderful signings.



In the second half of wenger's reign we often heard the phrase "flat track bullies" applied to our team when they would piss all over shit teams and continually bend over for the big boys - we seem to accept that tag when it is applied to the team as a whole, but for some unknown reason dont like it being applied to individual players :? Odeargod is the definition of a flat track bully in my opinion - I cannot remember any game against a big team where he has stood up to be counted, and I am only judging him as a player not the captain which is worse again. Football is such a simple and when you have fast attacking players like jesus, martinelli and saka, the logical thing to do is get the ball to them early and fast, but odeargod has to have 20 tappy tappy touches on the ball before releasing it, and so many times yesterday it killed our attacks when we got to their penalty area cos it allowed them time to get into position. Yesterday our most impressive midfielder (BY FAR) was sambi and he is the inexperienced guy in the 3, while the fan boys darlings (odeargod and xhaka) turned in their usual big game shite performances - when I read fans bigging up xhaka lately on back of games against poor teams, it tells me yet again that sometimes as fans we get exactly what we deserve cos there are some fans who simply refuse to see the light with that c.unt and they deserve to start every day with a swift and hard kick in the nuts.

Likewise, it was you who rightly pointed out a few days ago that the muppet in charge can no longer be referred to as a rookie - as disgraceful (in my eyes) that it was that he hadnt hooked odeargod and white earlier, his triple substitution and tactical "reshuffle" was the stuff of nightmares, and was without doubt the single biggest factor in our defeat yesterday. I've looked at newspaper headlines this morning and one of them read "Gunners will only flatter to deceive with arteta - just a poor mans pep", and another paper had a similar headline (neither paper were red tops either). I'm angry that he didnt sub odeargod earlier, but tbh I'm still stunned at those changes he made with 20 mins to go, and I dunno what to say on it except that he simply isnt up to it, and no way in the world would PV4 have made those mistakes


Yep. No arguments from me on any of that. Still gonna be a 5th/6th place finish, despite our start against the league's makeweights.. We'll continue to crumble against the big boys.
I wouldn't say we crumbled on Sunday. The manager and team made 3 mistakes, we got punished. The forwards decided not to be clinical and shoot. It's all avoidable, and fixable learning from lessons. I wouldn't hit the crisis button yet by a long way.
I'm still bewildered by some of the officiating decision that were really, really poor. How did utd end with 11 players on the pitch? Anyway, that's gone now onto Thursday and then Everton who are building some momentum, and will be a lot tougher to break down than United were.

Whether we crumbled, made mistakes, or didn't have our lucky heather with us, the bottom line is we lost 3-1. Same ol' same ol'.

As for the crisis button, I haven't read any of us talking about a crisis, just that we're still a long way short and that the run of games that opened up this season is simply the polar opposite to the start of last season. I'm still predicting a 5th/6th place finish, which won't be a crisis, it will just be more of the constant stagnation.

As for a red card, do me a favour. McTominey was his usual idiot self and typically booked, but at no point was I calling for a sending off. It was kids' stuff compared to what went on when Fergie was there. In fact the closest to a red was Albert's challenge on Fernandez where he got a yellow.

If you think that Everton will be harder to break down than Utd, then we're in trouble, because I can count one one hand how many times we tested De Gea, despite over 60% possession.
16 attempts at goal away at old Trafford indicates a fair bit of domination. 3 on target suggests poor finishing. I do wonder if some of you even watch the game. I wonder if you would say the say thing if we'd won. Doubt it!

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Nos89 wrote:
Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:18 pm
Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:57 pm
Nos89 wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:53 pm
Retro Gunner wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:53 pm
augie wrote:
Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:45 pm





In the second half of wenger's reign we often heard the phrase "flat track bullies" applied to our team when they would piss all over shit teams and continually bend over for the big boys - we seem to accept that tag when it is applied to the team as a whole, but for some unknown reason dont like it being applied to individual players :? Odeargod is the definition of a flat track bully in my opinion - I cannot remember any game against a big team where he has stood up to be counted, and I am only judging him as a player not the captain which is worse again. Football is such a simple and when you have fast attacking players like jesus, martinelli and saka, the logical thing to do is get the ball to them early and fast, but odeargod has to have 20 tappy tappy touches on the ball before releasing it, and so many times yesterday it killed our attacks when we got to their penalty area cos it allowed them time to get into position. Yesterday our most impressive midfielder (BY FAR) was sambi and he is the inexperienced guy in the 3, while the fan boys darlings (odeargod and xhaka) turned in their usual big game shite performances - when I read fans bigging up xhaka lately on back of games against poor teams, it tells me yet again that sometimes as fans we get exactly what we deserve cos there are some fans who simply refuse to see the light with that c.unt and they deserve to start every day with a swift and hard kick in the nuts.

Likewise, it was you who rightly pointed out a few days ago that the muppet in charge can no longer be referred to as a rookie - as disgraceful (in my eyes) that it was that he hadnt hooked odeargod and white earlier, his triple substitution and tactical "reshuffle" was the stuff of nightmares, and was without doubt the single biggest factor in our defeat yesterday. I've looked at newspaper headlines this morning and one of them read "Gunners will only flatter to deceive with arteta - just a poor mans pep", and another paper had a similar headline (neither paper were red tops either). I'm angry that he didnt sub odeargod earlier, but tbh I'm still stunned at those changes he made with 20 mins to go, and I dunno what to say on it except that he simply isnt up to it, and no way in the world would PV4 have made those mistakes


Yep. No arguments from me on any of that. Still gonna be a 5th/6th place finish, despite our start against the league's makeweights.. We'll continue to crumble against the big boys.
I wouldn't say we crumbled on Sunday. The manager and team made 3 mistakes, we got punished. The forwards decided not to be clinical and shoot. It's all avoidable, and fixable learning from lessons. I wouldn't hit the crisis button yet by a long way.
I'm still bewildered by some of the officiating decision that were really, really poor. How did utd end with 11 players on the pitch? Anyway, that's gone now onto Thursday and then Everton who are building some momentum, and will be a lot tougher to break down than United were.

Whether we crumbled, made mistakes, or didn't have our lucky heather with us, the bottom line is we lost 3-1. Same ol' same ol'.

As for the crisis button, I haven't read any of us talking about a crisis, just that we're still a long way short and that the run of games that opened up this season is simply the polar opposite to the start of last season. I'm still predicting a 5th/6th place finish, which won't be a crisis, it will just be more of the constant stagnation.

As for a red card, do me a favour. McTominey was his usual idiot self and typically booked, but at no point was I calling for a sending off. It was kids' stuff compared to what went on when Fergie was there. In fact the closest to a red was Albert's challenge on Fernandez where he got a yellow.

If you think that Everton will be harder to break down than Utd, then we're in trouble, because I can count one one hand how many times we tested De Gea, despite over 60% possession.
16 attempts at goal away at old Trafford indicates a fair bit of domination. 3 on target suggests poor finishing. I do wonder if some of you even watch the game. I wonder if you would say the say thing if we'd won. Doubt it!
A lot of those efforts were desperate shots at the end of the game. To have all that possession and manage 3 efforts on target is a desperate return. If you think that Everton will be harder to breakdown, then as I say, given 3 on target against Utd, that puts us in trouble doesn't it?

It was your comment, not mine.

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Problem with merse is he's thick as pig shit.

Decent program on iplayer of him doing one of those lone selfie walks in middle of knowhere. Some interesting bits but cones across as thick still specially when he fall o er trying to cross a ford.

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