Alexander Hleb's defining moment as an Arsenal player?

[I Hate Hleb]

Didn't Hleb put one on a plate for Cesc just after we scored against PSV, only for Cesc to sky it horribly over the bar?

I think Magic Hat is just trying to say that people are quick to jump on Hleb's back and that his contribution to the team effort was more than is being recognised.

And I agree.

Well unfortunately the facts speak for themselves. Talented? No doubt about it, but if we're honest about it, Hleb's contribution over 3 years at the club was less than stellar and as far as I can make out, he certainly won't be missed by the majority of Arsenal fans.

[OT02]

Alex Hleb's most defining moment?

Ummmmmmmmmm...

Well since we've all covered the shite record, the style without substance, i'd just like to comment that EVERY photo ive seen of Hleb in action, whether it be on the internet or in print, he ALWAYS has a face that looks like he's just shit himself. Seriously, check it out.

I was super excited when he first signed. Versatile, hard working, two-footed, creative, and a good dribbler. He sounded like an improved Pires (you will all kill me for saying that - for the record he is and never will be anywhere near Bobby's level ) but why didnt we see it?

Cos he was a jumped up overhyped scruffy shitface.

[Galasso]

Didn't Hleb put one on a plate for Cesc just after we scored against PSV, only for Cesc to sky it horribly over the bar?

I think Magic Hat is just trying to say that people are quick to jump on Hleb's back and that his contribution to the team effort was more than is being recognised.

And I agree.

Well unfortunately the facts speak for themselves. Talented? No doubt about it, but if we're honest about it, Hleb's contribution over 3 years at the club was less than stellar and as far as I can make out, he certainly won't be missed by the majority of Arsenal fans.

Been well aware of that for 3 years!

Still, one man's shit is another man's compost

[U.F.G Anfield '89]

you mean one man's shit is another manure.

[Cesc is God]

I think it's harsh when you critisise Hleb so badly. I mean, he was a good player - you have to admit that. His dribbling skills were by far world class and some of his passing (in his later years) was really effective by producing some very sexy goals.

Yes its true he didnt score many goals but surely, he doesn't every player have his weaknesses. He's only human FFS. And anyway, he created so many chances/goals - Doesn't that in some way kind of give him an excuse for when critisied about his lack of goals?

(I doubt any of you will agree with me as goals is everything apparently but thats my opinion nonetheless)

I hereby would like to thank Alex for his time at Arsenal. He left in a professional way and I doubt he will slate the club/players. On the upside, we got £12 million for him which is quite handy.

Cheers Alex. Goodbye and good luck!

[gusher311]

I think it's harsh when you critisise Hleb so badly. I mean, he was a good player - you have to admit that. His dribbling skills were by far world class and some of his passing (in his later years) was really effective by producing some very sexy goals.

Yes its true he didnt score many goals but surely, he doesn't every player have his weaknesses. He's only human FFS. And anyway, he created so many chances/goals - Doesn't that in some way kind of give him an excuse for when critisied about his lack of goals?

(I doubt any of you will agree with me as goals is everything apparently but thats my opinion nonetheless)

I hereby would like to thank Alex for his time at Arsenal. He left in a professional way and I doubt he will slate the club/players. On the upside, we got £12 million for him which is quite handy.

Cheers Alex. Goodbye and good luck!

I think his build up play and his dribbling were excellent at times, but for the most part I couldn't even tell he was on the pitch. I don't think he left professionally at all! He called Cesc (the leader in assists) a selfish player and talked badly about Wenger. I know he tried to retract his comments but that doesn't make up for anything in my book. I'm glad he left and would have packed his bags a long time ago if given a chance.

[Magic Hat]

Magic Hat, Explain Cesc's 20 odd assists or whatever it was this year in all competitions compared to Hleb number of assists, where on the stats earlier used he only got to double figures over a three year period.

Now you cannot tell me that all of Fabregas's assists were off the shin or caught a deflection on the way through. Or the opponents were shit.

:awnker:

ok remember the three games I mentioned, the tearing Man U apart, the 60 yard throughball, the taking out the entire Liverpool team. Hleb's assist from those three games? 1. Since VDS saved Ade's efforts in both games (though the 60 yard ball led to a goal), Hleb doesn't get the assist.

Or the Newcastle one where Hleb cleverly played Flamini in so all he had to do was roll it across to an unmarked striker. Assist goes to Flamini. If we are talking stats, the Fink Tank is made from stats and he got 10th place in player of the season 2 years ago but nobody seems to want to count those stats

when did I say Cesc was a bad player? He will get assists, he gets into good positions, however when has he split open defences? Let alone top defences? They are more impressive assists then the Flamini type ones I described, his passing is very good, he can play people through but he can't take out entire teams with one pass with anywhere near the consistency of Hleb. Henry got lot of assists, so probably did Veiria, but would still say Berkamp was the only one able to open up defences with his passing, this is the same to a lesser extent.

He called Cesc (the leader in assists) a selfish player and talked badly about Wenger

you mean the one where Hleb was joking about Cesc and acknowledging his weakness? Sorry, he shouldn't say he needs to score more?

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Three games is all we have to remember him by!

Kind of sums it up really!

[Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end)]

Three games is all we have to remember him by!

Kind of sums it up really!

Exactly! And that is the point and makes him more frustrating we all know how good he could be....but was not. Any player where you can vividly pick out a few great games is not good enough. Take Cesc last season - there are a handful of games when he was truly awesome but he played so well so many times it is diffuclt to pick just 3 games (and that is in a season not three).

[Magic Hat]

yes, the Fink Tank was based on three games in the future

do I have to go through every game in his Arsenal career? I just use the obvious ones

[SWLGooner]

The best and most defining thing the greedy, ungrateful c**t did for us was this.
:awnker:

[I Hate Hleb]

Magic Hat, Explain Cesc's 20 odd assists or whatever it was this year in all competitions compared to Hleb number of assists, where on the stats earlier used he only got to double figures over a three year period.

Now you cannot tell me that all of Fabregas's assists were off the shin or caught a deflection on the way through. Or the opponents were shit.

:awnker:

ok remember the three games I mentioned, the tearing Man U apart, the 60 yard throughball, the taking out the entire Liverpool team. Hleb's assist from those three games? 1. Since VDS saved Ade's efforts in both games (though the 60 yard ball led to a goal), Hleb doesn't get the assist.

Or the Newcastle one where Hleb cleverly played Flamini in so all he had to do was roll it across to an unmarked striker. Assist goes to Flamini. If we are talking stats, the Fink Tank is made from stats and he got 10th place in player of the season 2 years ago but nobody seems to want to count those stats

when did I say Cesc was a bad player? He will get assists, he gets into good positions, however when has he split open defences? Let alone top defences? They are more impressive assists then the Flamini type ones I described, his passing is very good, he can play people through but he can't take out entire teams with one pass with anywhere near the consistency of Hleb. Henry got lot of assists, so probably did Veiria, but would still say Berkamp was the only one able to open up defences with his passing, this is the same to a lesser extent.

He called Cesc (the leader in assists) a selfish player and talked badly about Wenger

you mean the one where Hleb was joking about Cesc and acknowledging his weakness? Sorry, he shouldn't say he needs to score more?

MagicHat,

Although you are obviously an intelligent young man, I sometimes wonder whether you actually watch games - especially after statements like that!! If you think Cesc hasn't/can't play defence-splitting passes then you really don't know what your talking about. Either that, or you are so desparate to defend the indefenseable that you automatically switch your brain off from thinking mode for a while and start spouting nonsense arguements like that above.

Anyone that's seen Cesc over the past 3 years would tell you that one of his strengths is the defence-splitting pass. If your memory is bad, then a cursory look back at recent past end of season DVD's will show plenty of 'defence-splitting' passes by Fabregas that resulted in goals - never mind the many that didn't.

The fact that you can remember a couple of Hlebs 'key' passes but none of Cesc's would suggest that Hleb's were such a rare sight that they became memorable - maybe even mythological -, whereas Fabregas produces then so often that it's taken for granted that he can deliver. Well, to everyone bar you, it seems!!

[augie]

I think it's harsh when you critisise Hleb so badly. I mean, he was a good player - you have to admit that. His dribbling skills were by far world class and some of his passing (in his later years) was really effective by producing some very sexy goals.

Yes its true he didnt score many goals but surely, he doesn't every player have his weaknesses. He's only human FFS. And anyway, he created so many chances/goals - Doesn't that in some way kind of give him an excuse for when critisied about his lack of goals?

(I doubt any of you will agree with me as goals is everything apparently but thats my opinion nonetheless)

I hereby would like to thank Alex for his time at Arsenal. He left in a professional way and I doubt he will slate the club/players. On the upside, we got £12 million for him which is quite handy.

Cheers Alex. Goodbye and good luck!

He had 10 assists in 3 fucking years That is a rate that is compareable to bloody eboue who was never and will never be classed as an attacking midfielder What kind of attacking midfielder has only 10 assists in 3 years

[SWLGooner]

Look - the stats say he's shit. The stats are right. So is Augie. HE si not a good player. In fact, he's a SHIT one.

[Magic Hat]

since if you ass the ball to Ade and scores, you get an assist but the guy who produced the inch perfect pass to ass boy doesn't? or if Ade misses, you don't get an assist either. Yet again why doesn't the Fink Tank count as stats?

IHH, let's have a look at our top games last season.
Against Man U at Old Trafford, Hleb laid on chance after chance for Ade. We should have been 2-0 up on Hleb created chances alone. Cesc did what?
Liverpool 4-2, Arsenal 2. Nice interchange between Cesc and Hleb before Hleb sends Diaby through with a wonderful pass to set us 1-0 up. In the home leg, neither can be too happy, one denied a penalty after dribbling past five players, one perhaps should have done better in stopping the equaliser.
Bolton: 2-0 down, Hleb gets an assist and wins a penalty. At home to Man U, Hleb sets up the first goal with a 60 yard throughball that Ade has saved but scramble results in goal for Cesc. The two combined also in league game at Anfield, Cesc set up brilliantly by Hleb.

Both were superb against AC Milan twice, Cesc edges it due to scoring the first goal. Cesc's goals in those big games were set up by Hleb in the big games and Hleb tended to perform well (apart from against Spurs)

who will be setting up all that with Hleb gone?