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A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
No one is saying anything negative about Rice.
Actually most said that they have been happily proven wrong. Me included.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
You never seen the video clips of him singing ira songs then ?
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
You never seen the video clips of him singing ira songs then ?
I knew it wouldn't take much to get to the real reason you think he's overpriced
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
You never seen the video clips of him singing ira songs then ?
I knew it wouldn't take much to get to the real reason you think he's overpriced
I think that he was over-priced as a DM Steve O cos I dont think any DM in the world is worth £100m, but as a number 8 he has been immense for us cos the shackles are off him and he is able to lead the charge from higher up the pitch
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
You never seen the video clips of him singing ira songs then ?
I knew it wouldn't take much to get to the real reason you think he's overpriced
I think that he was over-priced as a DM Steve O cos I dont think any DM in the world is worth £100m, but as a number 8 he has been immense for us cos the shackles are off him and he is able to lead the charge from higher up the pitch
I know he's no Jeff Hendrick or Glenn Whelan mate, but give it time and you'll learn to love him
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
You never seen the video clips of him singing ira songs then ?
I knew it wouldn't take much to get to the real reason you think he's overpriced
I think that he was over-priced as a DM Steve O cos I dont think any DM in the world is worth £100m, but as a number 8 he has been immense for us cos the shackles are off him and he is able to lead the charge from higher up the pitch
I know he's no Jeff Hendrick or Glenn Whelan mate, but give it time and you'll learn to love him
Glenn Whelan. Shit footballer. Proper man.
The only player that stayed with Ramsey and tried to keep him calm until the medics got to him, while our pussies all swooned and had a little cry and ran away from their team mate lying there with his tib and fib sticking out of his leg. Jesus.... Wenger had built such a team of vaginas at that time.
In fairness though Glenn would have seen worse outside any night club or pub in Dublin on your average Saturday night so he had a stronger stomach than our lot of pussies.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
I'll forgive him for singing them with a London accent too - I mean the days of Irish cockneys Townsend and Cascarino are long gone, so glad Ing-er-lund's finest has stayed loyal to the flag!
I've said before, whether its Rice or anyone else, I don't believe in all this overpaid/underpaid shit any more. Football lost its right to that when blokes worth multi-billions took over clubs and ran them as hobbies. The owning family of Manchester City are worth 500bn+, so spending £100m on Squealish is like you or I having a decent night out with a few beers involved, pocket change! Same is true of Rice. What I would say to back that point is that the Chavs were happy to pay £88m for Mudryk, a man with 30 odd appearances in a farmers league, Man Ure £85m for slabhead Maguire, €100m for Antony, and £100m+ for Caicedo. We still look at these signings and prices like they actually mean something and we should be worried about them. For the likes of Kroenke, Boehly and Sheikh Mansour, these are just rich men's playthings. I support the team, not Kroenke or any owner. If they think someone is worth £100m or £500m is of absolute no consequence to me
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
Agreed this point scoring is juvenile....that said anyone who cant see the worth of Rice knows fuck all about football...hes Top class
Whatever happens by the end of the season, it's been a thrill to watch a player that really steps us up a level. He's been consistent from game one, and I've enjoyed every second of him in an Arsenal shirt.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
Agreed this point scoring is juvenile....that said anyone who cant see the worth of Rice knows fuck all about football...hes Top class
I was one of those that thought we could do better than Rice, especially for the money paid and thought he was an above average player worth 40-50 million. I'd never been particularly impressed with him at West Ham, where he was a big fish in a very small pond and I'd always been underwhelmed when he played for England, with and against top level players. So, I wouldn't have spent 105 million on him. Happy to say I was wrong and he has shown himself to be a better footballer than I thought he was capable of being.
I'll still maintain that he isn't the type of game changing, creative player that I think 105 million should get you, but he's everything that we haven't had for fucking years...a strong, competitive, reliable player wo will give you 100% every time and he can play too being technically better than I'd realised. Guys like him are the beating hearty of a side and we haven't really had that since Paddy left (with all due respect to Cesc, who was a magnificent player).
What you'll notice on here is that it's those that get criticised for being negative who will hold their hands up if they get it wrong. I suppose that's also because being proved wrong is a positive for the team. I'm not so sure that those DB refers to as the "fan boys" are quite so quick to admit it when they get it wrong. We'll see soon enough once Granit Havertz costs us big time.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
I'll forgive him for singing them with a London accent too - I mean the days of Irish cockneys Townsend and Cascarino are long gone, so glad Ing-er-lund's finest has stayed loyal to the flag!
I've said before, whether its Rice or anyone else, I don't believe in all this overpaid/underpaid shit any more. Football lost its right to that when blokes worth multi-billions took over clubs and ran them as hobbies. The owning family of Manchester City are worth 500bn+, so spending £100m on Squealish is like you or I having a decent night out with a few beers involved, pocket change! Same is true of Rice. What I would say to back that point is that the Chavs were happy to pay £88m for Mudryk, a man with 30 odd appearances in a farmers league, Man Ure £85m for slabhead Maguire, €100m for Antony, and £100m+ for Caicedo. We still look at these signings and prices like they actually mean something and we should be worried about them. For the likes of Kroenke, Boehly and Sheikh Mansour, these are just rich men's playthings. I support the team, not Kroenke or any owner. If they think someone is worth £100m or £500m is of absolute no consequence to me
Can't agree with that mate. We saw under Abramovich and now Boehly at Chelsea and the Arabs at City, that paying fortunes for players had no impact on future spending. As you say, it was loose change to them. While Kroenke has supported Arteta financially, I don't get the impression that it's a bottomless pit attitude, so when we spend 105 million, it's gotta be well spent, because it does impact the budget.
Listing the fortunes blown on sub par players by the likes of Utd and Chelsea isn't relevant, beyond the impact it has on market prices. We can't play their game (or haven't been willing to, although we've made our share of mistakes), but it's better to compare us to Liverpool, who also have to manage their budget well and generally do.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
Agreed this point scoring is juvenile....that said anyone who cant see the worth of Rice knows fuck all about football...hes Top class
I was one of those that thought we could do better than Rice, especially for the money paid and thought he was an above average player worth 40-50 million. I'd never been particularly impressed with him at West Ham, where he was a big fish in a very small pond and I'd always been underwhelmed when he played for England, with and against top level players. So, I wouldn't have spent 105 million on him. Happy to say I was wrong and he has shown himself to be a better footballer than I thought he was capable of being.
I'll still maintain that he isn't the type of game changing, creative player that I think 105 million should get you, but he's everything that we haven't had for fucking years...a strong, competitive, reliable player wo will give you 100% every time and he can play too being technically better than I'd realised. Guys like him are the beating hearty of a side and we haven't really had that since Paddy left (with all due respect to Cesc, who was a magnificent player).
What you'll notice on here is that it's those that get criticised for being negative who will hold their hands up if they get it wrong. I suppose that's also because being proved wrong is a positive for the team. I'm not so sure that those DB refers to as the "fan boys" are quite so quick to admit it when they get it wrong. We'll see soon enough once Granit Havertz costs us big time.
Fair point well made...yes agree with most above...only to say that yes hes not a creative player like Brady but he can win you matches
His defensive covering his top class interceptions and timings of tackles is superb...hes a winner ...unlike that piece of shit xhaka...whom Wenger stated to Keown,he did not know he cant tackle when he signed him
Whatever happens by the end of the season, it's been a thrill to watch a player that really steps us up a level. He's been consistent from game one, and I've enjoyed every second of him in an Arsenal shirt.
A true Englishman captaining his country with pride.....and an absolute snip at £105m!
If City had signed him everyone would be moaning that he was exactly the sort of top quality signing we should be in the running for. Honestly, even those people who thought the price was too much back then, can't honestly say that now? He's been superb in almost every game. Our previous attempts at filling that position were the club footed c.unt who cost us >£30m 7 years ago, and the permacrock Partey for £45m or whatever it was - he's worth 10x either of those two c.unts!
Forget the fact he doesn't formally have the armband - he's the best leadership figure we've had on the field since PV4 left
How's Caicedo getting on by the way?
Bollocks Steve mate. People should beat them selves up over a valid opinion from months and months ago? I still think we overpaid for him. But I would qualify that with I think we overpaid for the Oirish Deckers that was playing for wet sham at that time.
THAT guy was not worth 105 million.
The Oirish Deckers that currently plays for us is an entirely different player.
As much as I don't rate Arteta as "the greatest manager in the history of the world" like we have to now to show we are proper loyal Arsenal fans, I will give him big credit for seeing something in Rice that he thought he could develop into what we now see, which is a much much better player.
I'll even forgive Deckers for singing the shitbag IRA songs.
I'll forgive him for singing them with a London accent too - I mean the days of Irish cockneys Townsend and Cascarino are long gone, so glad Ing-er-lund's finest has stayed loyal to the flag!
I've said before, whether its Rice or anyone else, I don't believe in all this overpaid/underpaid shit any more. Football lost its right to that when blokes worth multi-billions took over clubs and ran them as hobbies. The owning family of Manchester City are worth 500bn+, so spending £100m on Squealish is like you or I having a decent night out with a few beers involved, pocket change! Same is true of Rice. What I would say to back that point is that the Chavs were happy to pay £88m for Mudryk, a man with 30 odd appearances in a farmers league, Man Ure £85m for slabhead Maguire, €100m for Antony, and £100m+ for Caicedo. We still look at these signings and prices like they actually mean something and we should be worried about them. For the likes of Kroenke, Boehly and Sheikh Mansour, these are just rich men's playthings. I support the team, not Kroenke or any owner. If they think someone is worth £100m or £500m is of absolute no consequence to me
Can't agree with that mate. We saw under Abramovich and now Boehly at Chelsea and the Arabs at City, that paying fortunes for players had no impact on future spending. As you say, it was loose change to them. While Kroenke has supported Arteta financially, I don't get the impression that it's a bottomless pit attitude, so when we spend 105 million, it's gotta be well spent, because it does impact the budget.
Listing the fortunes blown on sub par players by the likes of Utd and Chelsea isn't relevant, beyond the impact it has on market prices. We can't play their game (or haven't been willing to, although we've made our share of mistakes), but it's better to compare us to Liverpool, who also have to manage their budget well and generally do.
That's exactly how I look at it. I don't see Kroenke giving us endless funds the way the Arabs do at their plaything clubs.
that was playing for wet sham at that time. 
