ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[Sid33]

EVAN FERGUSON ON LOAN AT THE LAST MINUTE IS COMING

Please no!!!!!!!!!!

[TeeCee]

Ferguson is a shit Kai Havertz so I hope not!!

[mcdowell42]

We've already got Neto and sterling on loan,so unless we send 1 of them back to their clubs ,we can't loan another player from PL clubs this season

[OneBardGooner]

And apparently; don't know if it is True, but we Cannot send the Fat Spunk Bubble sterling back to the NaziChavs... So it's either Neto goes back to where he came from or no one. What a fuckin' state we're in huh!?

[TeeCee]

Yeah I read a report in one of the papers the other day saying there is no option to send Sterling back mid-season, the Chavs saw Arteta coming!!

Brighton are a really switched on club, if Ferguson can't get a game for them, then something is 'wrong'. I know he's injured a lot.....perfect for us.....but when he's played he's not really done anything. He started the season with an ankle injury and has been out the last 6 games with an ankle injury so it looks like ankles are an issue!!

[SteveO 35]

I absolutely fucking hate the January transfer window. Truly wish it didn't exist then lazy managers and owners who didn't get their shit together in the main window would be even more exposed. All this urgently sign a striker talk was just as appropriate in the Summer. Did he honestly believe Havertz and Jesus were capable of playing 50-60 games and firing us to glory.

I wouldn't particularly want any of Auba, Lacazette, Balogun or Nketiah back but when you consider the number of centre forwards he's flogged in the past couple of years or so compared to how sparse we are up front now, it's unfathomable

[augie]

I absolutely fucking hate the January transfer window. Truly wish it didn't exist then lazy managers and owners who didn't get their shit together in the main window would be even more exposed. All this urgently sign a striker talk was just as appropriate in the Summer. Did he honestly believe Havertz and Jesus were capable of playing 50-60 games and firing us to glory.

I wouldn't particularly want any of Auba, Lacazette, Balogun or Nketiah back but when you consider the number of centre forwards he's flogged in the past couple of years or so compared to how sparse we are up front now, it's unfathomable

All well and good for the water boy to get indignant with journo at yesterday's press conference for suggesting that getting a striker wasnt a necessity for legohead, but the reality is that the journo's and fans can only go on what we have seen, and we have seen at least 4 transfer windows of neglect towards the striker position and that falls on arteta and edu. It has been absolutely criminal how the strikers position has been ignored for so long, but like many of you have said, the more the fans and media call for a striker, the more he digs his heels in and refuses

[General]

Ok lord harris.

There’s no evidence for a city bid, it’s a website article claiming there’s a city bid. If a bbc article is your evidence then a career in law is not for you.

As for Henry, as soon as he bottled the majors for us we sold him, as with all other class players we’ve had in the last 30 years….sold on and tell me now, in which cases were those class players replaced with appropriate replacements. It’s hasn’t happened, we’ve sold our best players and not replaced them. And we’re a high profile club. So put the 2 together and you can see why we’re the premier leagues most high profile selling club.

A simple Google would reveal that City's bid for Rice was reported by most reputable news outlets, not just the BBC, so on the balance of probability if you understand anything about law, it is likely to be true. You can't be bothered to do a simple research but believe your own speculation and this is exactly the problem.
I stopped reading after bottled the majors. Are you a yank per chance.
Our reputation as a selling club ended when the dinosaur was finally relieved from his misery.

Balance of probability applies in cases that are presented in a court of law, your not in a court of law, your on a football forum. A website story claiming a bid from a club is not evidence of a bid. Several websites claiming there’s same thing is not evidence of a bid. The only evidence of a Man City bid for Declan rice would come from either Man City or West Ham.

I’m not an American no, bottled the majors is just the phrase I picked for Henry to highlight that in an awful lot of major or high importance games he went missing entirely or bottled the games major chances and was sold off being considered surplus to requirements, a move that IMO costs him any legendary status he might have had.

Now take a look at the long long list of players that were supposed to replace Henry (admittedly a hard job) none were up to the task and all were sold on. In a more reasonable timeframe Aubameyang might have hit those numbers but guess what…. We sold him.

Pick any position and you can do the same thing, a great player not replaced with all attempts being sub standard and the resultant hires being sold on.

The slow down of our selling is as a direct result of our years of being a selling club. We’ve very little left to sell, no ones queuing up for our players cause the majority of them are bang average. Wait till Saka and saliba are on their way out the door and you can do your best Perry mason impression to convince yourself it’s not true.

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

[Nick Nack]

Apparently Arsenteta has asked the squad which striker we should sign

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 85731.html

What a tool

Reminds me of when TOF asked the squad who should be captain

Honestly the similarities are becoming scary

Why wouldn’t he seek opinions from players, especially defenders who have played directly against certain forwards.

It would seem an obvious thing to do, it doesn’t mean he will simply then go ahead and buy a player simply based on the opinion of a current player.

Before buying any player, lots of opinions, research will be undertaken.

Unfortunately it seems what ever Arteta does or doesn’t do there are people that criticise, thats life.

It's complete nonsense.

Pep over at Cheaty has just signed 3 players in this window, do you think he consulted with his players, of course not.

Do you think he sought the opinion of his squad when he bought Haaland, of course he didn't.

I can just imagine Arteta calling Havertz and Jesus into his office -

MA - Erm chaps
H&J - Yes boss
MA - I think we need a world class, lethal finishing striker
H&J - Sorry boss?
MA - A new striker
H&J - No, no, no boss. We're good, we don't need any more attacking options. We think you need a goalkeeper and maybe a couple of defensive midfielders.
MA - Gracias, I value your opinion

Although that may explain a few things

You can't ask players their opinion, most can barely tie a shoelace let alone give reasoned opinion.

There is a reason that clubs have scouts, sporting directors and expensive analytical software, and it's not for player's opinions.

And, why is it only us that the press report on this ridiculous shit. You never hear of this nonsense at other clubs. You'd almost think that there was an agenda

And, there is no guarantee that our defenders have played against whoever the striker is that we won't actually buy, or, as is often the case some strikers play better against some defenders than others, so any opinion is completely subjective.

Whatever the case, it's a loaded question by the press to make Arsenteta look completely whacky if no-one else does it.

Agreed 100% mate. Asking players what player he should sign? That's the carry on of a complete idiot and tbh it lowers my opinion of Martinez-Lite even further.

I used to play at a reasonable amateur level and worked with an ex-pro who played in Ligue1 and the Turkish league.

No manager ever asked the players who should be signed, in fact they barely asked for an opinion on anything

[xgtdec]

A simple Google would reveal that City's bid for Rice was reported by most reputable news outlets, not just the BBC, so on the balance of probability if you understand anything about law, it is likely to be true. You can't be bothered to do a simple research but believe your own speculation and this is exactly the problem.
I stopped reading after bottled the majors. Are you a yank per chance.
Our reputation as a selling club ended when the dinosaur was finally relieved from his misery.

Balance of probability applies in cases that are presented in a court of law, your not in a court of law, your on a football forum. A website story claiming a bid from a club is not evidence of a bid. Several websites claiming there’s same thing is not evidence of a bid. The only evidence of a Man City bid for Declan rice would come from either Man City or West Ham.

I’m not an American no, bottled the majors is just the phrase I picked for Henry to highlight that in an awful lot of major or high importance games he went missing entirely or bottled the games major chances and was sold off being considered surplus to requirements, a move that IMO costs him any legendary status he might have had.

Now take a look at the long long list of players that were supposed to replace Henry (admittedly a hard job) none were up to the task and all were sold on. In a more reasonable timeframe Aubameyang might have hit those numbers but guess what…. We sold him.

Pick any position and you can do the same thing, a great player not replaced with all attempts being sub standard and the resultant hires being sold on.

The slow down of our selling is as a direct result of our years of being a selling club. We’ve very little left to sell, no ones queuing up for our players cause the majority of them are bang average. Wait till Saka and saliba are on their way out the door and you can do your best Perry mason impression to convince yourself it’s not true.

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

By your definition of course we cant be a selling club, we only have 2 players any top club would be interested in, and we’re gonna lose them soon enough if the persistence with arteta continues and quite possibly even if it doesn’t.

And your absolutely spot on, I’m a huge fan of the club not holding on to mediocrity, I’d be an even bigger fan if they didn’t sign so much of it in the first place and then sell it off just to get the silly salary off the books.

And your on the money again, there are a reasonable amount of young managers out there being handed big manager roles. Alonso the first that comes to mind, didnt he just win a league title on half of what arteta gets paid??

But let’s not focus on just one young manager that’s a winner, hasn’t Xavi gone and got himself a last Liga medal as a manager??

Arteta must be top of the list of the ones that haven’t won anything of note…..the managerial version of a calendar year trophy.

[Retro Gunner]

A simple Google would reveal that City's bid for Rice was reported by most reputable news outlets, not just the BBC, so on the balance of probability if you understand anything about law, it is likely to be true. You can't be bothered to do a simple research but believe your own speculation and this is exactly the problem.
I stopped reading after bottled the majors. Are you a yank per chance.
Our reputation as a selling club ended when the dinosaur was finally relieved from his misery.

Balance of probability applies in cases that are presented in a court of law, your not in a court of law, your on a football forum. A website story claiming a bid from a club is not evidence of a bid. Several websites claiming there’s same thing is not evidence of a bid. The only evidence of a Man City bid for Declan rice would come from either Man City or West Ham.

I’m not an American no, bottled the majors is just the phrase I picked for Henry to highlight that in an awful lot of major or high importance games he went missing entirely or bottled the games major chances and was sold off being considered surplus to requirements, a move that IMO costs him any legendary status he might have had.

Now take a look at the long long list of players that were supposed to replace Henry (admittedly a hard job) none were up to the task and all were sold on. In a more reasonable timeframe Aubameyang might have hit those numbers but guess what…. We sold him.

Pick any position and you can do the same thing, a great player not replaced with all attempts being sub standard and the resultant hires being sold on.

The slow down of our selling is as a direct result of our years of being a selling club. We’ve very little left to sell, no ones queuing up for our players cause the majority of them are bang average. Wait till Saka and saliba are on their way out the door and you can do your best Perry mason impression to convince yourself it’s not true.

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

It's been years since we've had players that top clubs would be coveting. Who can you list in the last 10 years as a player that would fit that mould?

We now have a definite two in Saliba and Saka and as I've said before, I'd add Martinelli and Gabriel as definite possibles to be poached. I'll be keen to hear what you say when any of those move to greener pastures and I fear we'll only have to wait until this summer to see the first of those on his way. I suspect xgtdec will be asking for your opinion if it happens,

[DB10GOONER]

A simple Google would reveal that City's bid for Rice was reported by most reputable news outlets, not just the BBC, so on the balance of probability if you understand anything about law, it is likely to be true. You can't be bothered to do a simple research but believe your own speculation and this is exactly the problem.
I stopped reading after bottled the majors. Are you a yank per chance.
Our reputation as a selling club ended when the dinosaur was finally relieved from his misery.

Balance of probability applies in cases that are presented in a court of law, your not in a court of law, your on a football forum. A website story claiming a bid from a club is not evidence of a bid. Several websites claiming there’s same thing is not evidence of a bid. The only evidence of a Man City bid for Declan rice would come from either Man City or West Ham.

I’m not an American no, bottled the majors is just the phrase I picked for Henry to highlight that in an awful lot of major or high importance games he went missing entirely or bottled the games major chances and was sold off being considered surplus to requirements, a move that IMO costs him any legendary status he might have had.

Now take a look at the long long list of players that were supposed to replace Henry (admittedly a hard job) none were up to the task and all were sold on. In a more reasonable timeframe Aubameyang might have hit those numbers but guess what…. We sold him.

Pick any position and you can do the same thing, a great player not replaced with all attempts being sub standard and the resultant hires being sold on.

The slow down of our selling is as a direct result of our years of being a selling club. We’ve very little left to sell, no ones queuing up for our players cause the majority of them are bang average. Wait till Saka and saliba are on their way out the door and you can do your best Perry mason impression to convince yourself it’s not true.

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

The bit in red is a WUM comment and was typical of the stuff the AKB Wenger cultists used to post when their straw man arguments based on silly stats won no arguments. Do us all a favour and give that stuff a rest. You are no more a loyal supporter than anyone else on here. You can put your point across without resulting to insulting other posters.

[General]

Balance of probability applies in cases that are presented in a court of law, your not in a court of law, your on a football forum. A website story claiming a bid from a club is not evidence of a bid. Several websites claiming there’s same thing is not evidence of a bid. The only evidence of a Man City bid for Declan rice would come from either Man City or West Ham.

I’m not an American no, bottled the majors is just the phrase I picked for Henry to highlight that in an awful lot of major or high importance games he went missing entirely or bottled the games major chances and was sold off being considered surplus to requirements, a move that IMO costs him any legendary status he might have had.

Now take a look at the long long list of players that were supposed to replace Henry (admittedly a hard job) none were up to the task and all were sold on. In a more reasonable timeframe Aubameyang might have hit those numbers but guess what…. We sold him.

Pick any position and you can do the same thing, a great player not replaced with all attempts being sub standard and the resultant hires being sold on.

The slow down of our selling is as a direct result of our years of being a selling club. We’ve very little left to sell, no ones queuing up for our players cause the majority of them are bang average. Wait till Saka and saliba are on their way out the door and you can do your best Perry mason impression to convince yourself it’s not true.

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

The bit in red is a WUM comment and was typical of the stuff the AKB Wenger cultists used to post when their straw man arguments based on silly stats won no arguments. Do us all a favour and give that stuff a rest. You are no more a loyal supporter than anyone else on here. You can put your point across without resulting to insulting other posters.

Every now and then you stick your head above the parapet and take some authoritative moral high ground. Of course you will dismiss people as WUMs and AKB cultists whilst lecturing them about insulting other posters

[General]

Balance of probability applies in cases that are presented in a court of law, your not in a court of law, your on a football forum. A website story claiming a bid from a club is not evidence of a bid. Several websites claiming there’s same thing is not evidence of a bid. The only evidence of a Man City bid for Declan rice would come from either Man City or West Ham.

I’m not an American no, bottled the majors is just the phrase I picked for Henry to highlight that in an awful lot of major or high importance games he went missing entirely or bottled the games major chances and was sold off being considered surplus to requirements, a move that IMO costs him any legendary status he might have had.

Now take a look at the long long list of players that were supposed to replace Henry (admittedly a hard job) none were up to the task and all were sold on. In a more reasonable timeframe Aubameyang might have hit those numbers but guess what…. We sold him.

Pick any position and you can do the same thing, a great player not replaced with all attempts being sub standard and the resultant hires being sold on.

The slow down of our selling is as a direct result of our years of being a selling club. We’ve very little left to sell, no ones queuing up for our players cause the majority of them are bang average. Wait till Saka and saliba are on their way out the door and you can do your best Perry mason impression to convince yourself it’s not true.

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

It's been years since we've had players that top clubs would be coveting. Who can you list in the last 10 years as a player that would fit that mould?

We now have a definite two in Saliba and Saka and as I've said before, I'd add Martinelli and Gabriel as definite possibles to be poached. I'll be keen to hear what you say when any of those move to greener pastures and I fear we'll only have to wait until this summer to see the first of those on his way. I suspect xgtdec will be asking for your opinion if it happens,

What I am saying is that we are no longer a selling club because (1) We’ve built a competitive team (2) We pay top wages.
In recent years, we’ve only sold players because they are surplus to requirements.
If a club wants to poach one of our prized assets which can happen to any club in world football, they will need to pay a premium price. See Julian Alvarez’s transfer from City to Atletico as an example.

[Retro Gunner]

If something has a 51% chance of being true, then on the balance of probability, it is true. You can't even tell the difference between cogent evidence and a simple argument so take heed to your own advice and never try a career in law.
Henry gave us his best years and is one of the greatest players the PL has ever seen. He single handedly carried the club through the lean years and is undoubtedly a legend here You must live in some altenative reality if you think otheriwse. If you do great 95% of the time and fail 5%, negative people would only remember the 5%.
I've said time and time again that some of of you are hellbent on being negative because you are miserable and Arsenal is a easy lightning rod for you. You can't erase the impression that you get thrills from watching the team/Arteta fail which begs the question why you even bother watching. This club is a much better shape than the one the old fraud left behind and as I said, our reputation as a selling club hasn't been true since he left. Again if you believe otheriwse, that's your problem.

yeah you wont find me working in law, by choice......an industry that doesnt appeal on any level. I'll duck into the bookies on the way home today to place my bets for the weekend.......wait till you hear my complaints the the laws of probability didnt work in my favor.

Henry was a fantastic player for us, theres no argument there. We won an awful lot of games solely based on the fact that he was playing. But is he a legend, i certainly dont think so for the reasons ive mentioned. And i know im not the only one on here to think like that. His legacy is tainted which means all of achievements cant be mentioned without the fact that theres significant negatives to be mentioned also. Its possible if he finished up at Arsenal it would have happened but obviously we'll never know.

And i bother watching because its what ive done since roughly 1979 or thereabouts, nobody wants Arsenal FC to succeed in the trophy stakes more than i do. And to see the way the club is managed is a hard thing to do given how much im emotionally invested in the club. Since we're on the theme of Law...you wouldnt hand over one of the largest law firms in the country to someone looking for an internship would you, thats exactly what we've done with Arteta.....and it shows! And thats not to say he hasnt got some calls right because he has...eh...mustafi, maitland niles and pepe are the names that come to mind that were obvious candidates that were shipped out.

But we're still a selling club, we're just not selling as much due to the quality of players being consistently driven downwards.

I dont know the number here but how much do you reckon we got back for this lot in the last 4-5 years

Wellbeck
Ramsey
Monreal
Lichectsteiner?
Asano
Ospina
Jenkinson
Koscielny
Bielik
Iwobi
Macey
Sokritis
Ozil
MArtinez
Willock
Chambers
and Auba

Edit....adding MAri, Soares, Runnarson and Ramsdale.

Theres 17 players..there could be more that as far as i can remember all went on a free of for pittance since Wonga left, Emery and Arteta have not changed the fact that we have absolute bog standard players on high salaries leaving the club for very little or any money at all.

Come back in another 5 years and you can add the majority of todays squad to that list.

When you go the bookies, be sure to check the odds before parting with your money. Out of interest - How do you think those odds are generated? From thin air or probability perhaps?

The rest of your post again is once again the usual negative revisionist babble that has become commonplace here. I'm convinced some of you watch us hoping we lose and evidently prepare your negative posts in anctipitation of the result. How sad.

I'm still struggling to understand why you're clinging on to the perception that we are a selling club when this hasn't been true since Wenger left. A selling club is one that can't keep hold of its best players and is forced to sell for various reasons.
Half of the players you've listed were not even signed by Arteta and were sold mostly because they failed to make the cut. Surely as a fan who admittedly wants to see the club succeed, you will be supportive of the club not persevering with mediocrity and moving players on promptly? Iwobi, Willock and Martinez were home grown players and sold on for significant profit. I would've liked to have kept Martinez and a few others but overall, there was strong justification for moving these players on. We are not the loss-making selling club that you've convinced yourself we are, accounting for depreciation.
Arteta is not the only young manager to have been handed the reins of a major club. This is a growing trend in world football and he is doing better than most of them.

It's been years since we've had players that top clubs would be coveting. Who can you list in the last 10 years as a player that would fit that mould?

We now have a definite two in Saliba and Saka and as I've said before, I'd add Martinelli and Gabriel as definite possibles to be poached. I'll be keen to hear what you say when any of those move to greener pastures and I fear we'll only have to wait until this summer to see the first of those on his way. I suspect xgtdec will be asking for your opinion if it happens,

What I am saying is that we are no longer a selling club because (1) We’ve built a competitive team (2) We pay top wages.
In recent years, we’ve only sold players because they are surplus to requirements.
If a club wants to poach one of our prized assets which can happen to any club in world football, they will need to pay a premium price. See Julian Alvarez’s transfer from City to Atletico as an example.

Yes, I know what you’re saying, but I’m saying we haven’t had players poached by top clubs for the last few years because we’ve had no one worth poaching. That’s very likely to change soon I’m afraid. Of course, the best way to try to keep players is to properly compete for and win the big prizes. Another fruitless season is likely to see at least Saliba head to pastures new.

As for Alvarez, do you honestly think that Atletico poached him away against the wishes of City? From memory, he was keen to move because he was never going to be guaranteed a starting place with Haaland scoring for fun and City didn’t stand in his way. They did, as you say, get a lot of money for him, but it was hardly as though they lost a guy they were desperate to keep.