THATS IT!!!!!!

Cesc is God · Post by **Cesc is God** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:09 pm

How are you making those judgements?

Actual opinion or just naming the same old names that are mentioned every time an EPL manager is sacked?

You should work for The Sun!

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:30 pm

Cesc is God wrote:I totally agree with you Rob. But the fact is for me that I cannot see anyone doing a better job than AW is doing now for us.

Can you, if so tell me please?

I would look at Hiddinck, Van Basten, Rijkarrd, Klinsman to name the usual foreign suspects. I would also consider Moyes at Everton if he'd come.

The main thing is that we get a Manager who realises that you are never going to win the EPL by simply trying to develop and gauge an under 21 team.

We also need a Manager who can blend the team and ensure that there is on field leadership as well as off field direction. In other words we need a Manager who will sign a Captain. That is another crucial attribute that Arsene seems to have forgotten - sadly !

GoonerBen · Post by **GoonerBen** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:33 pm

cant sack wenger - weve had plenty of successful managers before ut him and HC are the 2 greatest y a fair distance i the venerable history of our club

HOWEVER he certainly has fucked up this season by not buying what we need and tbh even if he was going with the youngsters strengthening the squad with a top DMC and CB absolutely had to be done, i dont think he has adapted to the way that premiership football has changed in the past few years, even though it was him who kickstarted this change.

Denilson is a squad player, not a week in week out starter - as has been said plenty of times, almunia is good but we need better, he hasnt signed any good CBs apart from sol since the back 4 of George Grahams era retired.

However sacking wenger is simply not an option. after this start surely he will realise that he needs to change things, otherwise we wont be winning much for a few years

augie · Post by **augie** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:37 pm

Cesc is god I mean you no offence when I say this mate but it is very hard to have a rational discussion re our managerial situation with any fan who has only been a supporter in the wenger era. Both yourself and ade the daddy claim that there is nobody out there that can do as good a job as wenger and I would suggest that you are living in the past mate. I could bring that Arsenal team to stoke, fulham and hull to name just 3 and I would certainly do no worse than wenger. Has he corrected our continued centre back problems ? No. Has he fixed the imbalance in our midfield ? No and in fact he played 4 midfielders from the start today that are all centre midfielders and any gobshite on the street wouldnt do that

Has he got a top quality keeper to replace lehman ? No we have manuel fcuking almunia

Finally how many times do you think it is acceptable for a manager to say after a game that his players didnt seem up for it when it is his fcuking job to ensure the *word censored* are up for it in the 1st place

Wenger is the greatest manager we have ever had but we have had many excellent managers before him and will have after he is gone. The club is more important than wenger and is certainly more important than his fcuking ego

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:39 pm

Augie, spot on mate. I'd buy you a beer if I wasn't such a tight *word censored*.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:41 pm

Rob wrote:I have a lot of sympathy with that. However...........Wenger will stay until the end of the season, baring a complete collapse.

The question is what happens between now and then.

We still have 3 cup competitions. The League is obviously a non starter but it was before the first ball had been kicked.

Wenger could save himself - and us - yet.

But if we carry on like this, his position in May will be desperate.

January now becomes the most crucial transfer window of Wenger's managerial reign.

BournemouthRED · Post by **BournemouthRED** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:41 pm

i blame elvis the wonder of you

Cockerill's chin · Post by **Cockerill's chin** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:42 pm

To all the kids who believe Arsenal can't exist without Wenger:
BUY A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK

Out of the big four we have had a piss easy opening PL run and mangaed to royally fuck it up. I'm not for sacking AW yet but Bruce Rioch would have got us more points from the opening 10 games.

We are short on quality. That isn't a newsflash, it's old news. Click on comments from the summer. AW is not the messiah, until 2004, he was a great manager that has lost his way for the past four years.

I get angry when I think of his comments blaming the fans. No mate its not us, its you and your obsession with your ientity of not spending money. Change or we will end up changing you.

Sutch · Post by **Sutch** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:43 pm

digger wrote:Augie, spot on mate. I'd buy you a beer if I wasn't such a tight c**t.

Cesc is God · Post by **Cesc is God** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:43 pm

Not offended at all as it's far from my fault that my old man took his time to conceive me.

I agree that he is not the perfect manager and yes, he does have faults - Those of which that have recently been hyped up by everyone. But I enjoy the way we play, no matter how bad the result is.

There are many ways in which people may think we can improve our current situation: Sack Wenger and get someone new in, spend BIG in January with money we ''apparently' have or do something that will crush my Gooner heart and accept a takeover from Usmanov/Kroenke/whoever.

OR we can keep AW here for a few more years. Well, unless he has enough of the fans getting on his back every fecking game. I'm all for this option as I don't see any realistic positive effects from the first three.

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:48 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:January now becomes the most crucial transfer window of Wenger's managerial reign.

True, it will make or break him.

We could easily finish 6th/7th this season. The rest of the "big four" are well clear of us, Villa can go above us this weekend, Hull and Everton are about where we are in the table (but have had more difficult starts!).

If Wenger doesn't spend, he'll be remembered as the guy who took Arsenal from invincibles to midtable mediocrity in 5 short years. But the club will have a massive transfer kitty.

augie · Post by **augie** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:50 pm

Cesc is God wrote:Not offended at all as it's far from my fault that my old man took his time to conceive me.

I agree that he is not the perfect manager and yes, he does have faults - Those of which that have recently been hyped up by everyone. But I enjoy the way we play, no matter how bad the result is.

There are many ways in which people may think we can improve our current situation: Sack Wenger and get someone new in, spend BIG in January with money we ''apparently' have or do something that will crush my Gooner heart and accept a takeover from Usmanov/Kroenke/whoever.

OR we can keep AW here for a few more years. Well, unless he has enough of the fans getting on his back every fecking game. I'm all for this option as I don't see any realistic positive effects from the first three.

Again this beautiful football that we play is a new fad for us Gooners - history will tell you that we have always been known as boring cos of our style of football but it got us results. I dont care what style of football we play as long as we are winning and moving forward as a club and sadly in the last 4 seasons under wenger we have quite noticeably moving backwards and the speed of that move is now going up through the gears

Cesc is God · Post by **Cesc is God** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:53 pm

augie wrote: Again this beautiful football that we play is a new fad for us Gooners - history will tell you that we have always been known as boring cos of our style of football but it got us results. I dont care what style of football we play as long as we are winning and moving forward as a club and sadly in the last 4 seasons under wenger we have quite noticeably moving backwards and the speed of that move is now going up through the gears

Obviously. I do know alot of history considering I'm only 17. One nil to the Arsenal anyone?

But the real question is (Although you may disagree with my example):

Who would you rather support at the moment, a team like Chelsea or a team like Arsenal?

I'm not saying the team chelsea, I'm saying an Arsenal team who plays and is run like Chelsea - A team that grinds out 1 - 0 wins and do not care about how they play, as long as they win.

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:54 pm

You've obviously not seen the Russians this season then mate. They're scoring 3/4 goals every time they play. Their goal difference is already 10 better than anyone else.

Cesc is God · Post by **Cesc is God** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:55 pm

The Russian national team?